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I don't know if anybody cares but....
http://www.audioplusservices.com/electra1000/1037.htm

Here is the main link. You can see that they added info on more of the series there.
http://www.audioplusservices.com/electra1000/range.htm

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And there they are...Thanks Mike, I was wondering when someone would revise Focal's website...Can you imagine an all Electra BE Home theater?!?
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And there they are...Thanks Mike, I was wondering when someone would revise Focal's website...Can you imagine an all Electra BE Home theater?!?

Usually the audioplus site has the info before the regular Focal site. I think an all Be setup would sound fantastic. I have items I want to take care of first, but eventually I will get the center and surrounds. But not yet. First I have to get a dedicated preamp. Then get better power conditioning. And then get a top line cd player. After that is in place I would consider upgrading my center and surrounds.

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Greetings, great thread! Does anyone have the MRSP for the 1037's?
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Greetings, great thread! Does anyone have the MRSP for the 1037's?

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I still say they need to do a 1017Be for ~6K.
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Esox, take the 1007 and add a sub.
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The 1007 and a sub would be mighty fine indeed. Especially if the room is not to big.

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Very surprising is the mids and highs. I swear they sound more effortless than the 1027... go listen for fun.

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Just had a look at the 1037's and they look fantastic (via the website mike provided)--interesting that the mids and highs sound better--on the website it looks like the 1027 and 1037 have the same mid/tweeter pairing--perhaps the enhanced lower end makes the sound more balanced?

I guess my question is sort of like the gentleman who was asking about adding a sub to the 1007's to get similar sound to the 1027's--would adding a sub to the 1027's yield a net 1037 or is there something different in the mid/treble--any thoughts?
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I think part of the difference is the cross over. It is implemented differently. If you look at the pdf's of the 1027 and 1037 you can see some good info. For the 1027 it says it is cross over at 350/2000Hz. The 1037 says 230/2000. By lowering it like that I am sure it makes a difference. Also if you look at the pdf info it lists the -6 cut off at 26Hz. No wonder it has such low powerful bass. The same -6 cut off for the 1027 is at 30Hz. But they do seem to use the same tweeter. It all has to do with how they implement it. The main page for the 1037 is a good read. You can find allot of info there. Regardless of how they did it, it seems to have worked.

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I think part of the difference is the cross over. It is implemented differently. If you look at the pdf's of the 1027 and 1037 you can see some good info. For the 1027 it says it is cross over at 350/2000Hz. The 1037 says 230/2000. By lowering it like that I am sure it makes a difference. Also if you look at the pdf info it lists the -6 cut off at 26Hz. No wonder it has such low powerful bass. The same -6 cut off for the 1027 is at 30Hz. But they do seem to use the same tweeter. It all has to do with how they implement it. The main page for the 1037 is a good read. You can find allot of info there. Regardless of how they did it, it seems to have worked.


agreed that the 120hz crossover point difference from the woofers to the midrange is likely to make a difference in the low range but it seems as though the difference should not be so readily manifest in the presence region or treble--I suppose one could make an argument that the use of the midrange to cover more ground in the 1037's could influence how they handle the more upper frequencies but the literature in the link you added suggested (if I read it correctly, which at this point of the night is always a question!) actually said that they use exactly the same drivers. Clearly the low and midbass should be markedly better in the 1037's.

You make a great point that you are not likely to get coverage at 200-400 hz out of a good subwoofer, so indeed the 1037's are not likely to be equalled by the 1027's + sub despite the fact that the midrange and tweeters are identical (albeit with a different crossover point from woofer to mid). While you could probably cover the low bass with a SW, the 80 to 350 range coverage might be more poorly integrated.
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Has any listened to these? I am trying to decide to whether to pick these or the ascend 340se. The 714v definitely have the advantage on aesthetics, but I have heard so much good stuff regarding the ascends( just discouraged due to their plain look) and not enough review regarding the 714v/s. I have heard the 714v and was quiet impressed by them. I currently have the ascend 170s run by nad 321 and a jolida cdp.

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Has any listened to these? I am trying to decide to whether to pick these or the ascend 340se. The 714v definitely have the advantage on aesthetics, but I have heard so much good stuff regarding the ascends( just discouraged due to their plain look) and not enough review regarding the 714v/s. I have heard the 714v and was quiet impressed by them. I currently have the ascend 170s run by nad 321 and a jolida cdp.

Reviews are advertising tools, nothing more. Plus the 700 series is very new. They are great speakers, but it sounds like you already know that. If you liked them in your audition then go for it.
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Has any listened to these? I am trying to decide to whether to pick these or the ascend 340se. The 714v definitely have the advantage on aesthetics, but I have heard so much good stuff regarding the ascends( just discouraged due to their plain look) and not enough review regarding the 714v/s. I have heard the 714v and was quiet impressed by them. I currently have the ascend 170s run by nad 321 and a jolida cdp.

which did YOU like better with regard to sound? if it was a draw I would go with the 714. If you liked the 714 better then I would go with the 714. The only category where there would be a conflict is if you like the sound of the ascends better but the aesthetics of the 714 better in which case I would seriously consider going with NEITHER and finding a speaker I liked both aestheticaly and sonically.

Sadly I also find myself influenced by reviews when making buying decisions. This might also be a reason to look into another speaker (other than the ascend OR the 714) that you may find meets all of the criteria: good review, goot looks, and good sound (to you!)
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Esox, take the 1007 and add a sub.

I don't like the 1007, and doing a sub/sat type combo is not something I want to do. I'm looking at one of the following three combinations:
Option 1: Focal Electra Be (5.1)
1027Be x4 (FL, FR, LS, RS)
1000Be x1 (C)
JL Audio Fathom F112 (possiby x 2, though I'll probably start with 1)
MSRP 23,000 (w/ two subs)

Option 2: Revel Performa (5.1)
F52 x 4 (FL, FR, LS, RS)
C52 x 1 (C)
JL Audio Fathom F112 (possiby x 2, though I'll probably start with 1)
MSRP 21,000 (w/ two subs)

Option 3: Revel Performa (7.1)
F32 x 6 (FL, FR, LS, RS, LB, RB)
C32 x 1 (C)
JL Audio Fathom F112 (possiby x 2, though I'll probably start with 1)
MSRP 18,000 (w/ two subs)

I'm not in any hurry right now, and have been going back and forth for over a year. But as time goes on, I'm leaning more and more towards Option 2. The Focals are great speakers (I haven' heard the center yet), but seem less flexible in terms of setup, especially since I'll be running "full range" towers in the rear maybe in less than ideal placement. The top end on the Focals is better, but I have to give the nod on dynamics to the F52. Dynamics are important to me as well. It's like I'm screwed if I do, and screwed if I don't. So I have analysis paralysis. Why can't someone make the perfect speaker?
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It's like I'm screwed if I do, and screwed if I don't. So I have analysis paralysis. Why can't someone make the perfect speaker?

I feel ya man!
I've only been looking and listening for 3 months and it's drivng me nuts, and I'm not looking at spending as much as you are either. I think that would make it worse.
All I can say is good luck.
But it seems to me if you really like dynamics and the F52 has that, then there's your choice.
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I know about analysis paralysis. It can be very annoying. That is a lot of money and you want to make sure that it is what will really satisfy you. I have never heard Revel so I can not comment on them. I am sure that they are fine sounding speakers and if they are the ones that move you then that is what you should go for. But I can say that I have had no problems with dynamics with the 1027's. They sound great at low levels and high levels to me. But it is YOUR wallet and ears that should the guide. Personally, I think any one of those systems would be killer. You need to do what it the best for your situation.

If you are running full range all around, I am just curious why the F52 would not be an issue and the 1027 would be.

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I'm not in any hurry right now, and have been going back and forth for over a year. But as time goes on, I'm leaning more and more towards Option 2. The Focals are great speakers (I haven' heard the center yet), but seem less flexible in terms of setup, especially since I'll be running "full range" towers in the rear maybe in less than ideal placement. The top end on the Focals is better, but I have to give the nod on dynamics to the F52. Dynamics are important to me as well. It's like I'm screwed if I do, and screwed if I don't. So I have analysis paralysis. Why can't someone make the perfect speaker?

I dont know why or how Revels sound more dynamic than the Focals, because the Focal Electra is FAR superior to Revel design. Its hard to do an objective comparison especially if listening from two different dealers because most dealers dont demo their speakers properly.

You mentioned previously that you dont want to do 1007Be in the back. I dont know why because they are more than suited for it especially using a Fathom. Especially since you mention below that the rears will be placed in "less than ideal placement". IMO its a waste to do 1027s in the back.

If I was piecing this system together I would recommend the following:

1 pair 1037Be for front left/right
1 single CC1000Be for center
1 pair 1007Be for surround left/right
1 Fathom F11? or 2

In this situation you have probably the most dynamic loudspeaker (1037) under $20K in the front left/right for the best music listening as well as movies. Keep in mind you are far more sensitive to whats happening in the front than what happening in the rear, and again why I think that 1027 in the back is overkill. Hope this helps.
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It's like I'm screwed if I do, and screwed if I don't. So I have analysis paralysis. Why can't someone make the perfect speaker? [/quote]

they do, it just costs somewhere between $40K and 200K depending on which one you choose

seriously though, first of all, great choice of subwoofer--received rave reviews in the most recent the perfect vision.

You could look at it as being screwed or you could see it as either way you win and you can't lose because either way you are getting a great system. Unfortunately there are no right )or wrong) answers here. Also, if you are worried about dynamics, you might want to see if you could work a pair of 1037's as fronts into your package and maybe change a set of the rears to 1007's to offset the cost increase.

I do get your placement concerns though--since the focals are so sensitive something less sensitive to that may make sense...

In a more general sense I am bothered by the fact that I think the "right" speaker (one that an individual likes for sound, cost, and aesthetics) actually exists but he/she may not be aware of or able to experience because of lack of a local dealer. To me in this age this is inexcusable...I mean what if your perfect speaker that works for dynamics highs, and your room were a B&W 8 series and you had no way of knowing that because you didn't have a place to experience it? seems sad with that degree of financial output but I guess that is the reality of the world we live in...SInce I am on my soap box I also think people would be more into this hoby if dealer profit margins were more reasonable...but the market seems to support them where they are....
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I think audio's recommendation would be killer. I am also wondering if the SR1000be might be something to think about. The look on paper to be a great and very flexible speaker. You might as well get the correct speaker for the job with that much money being spent at one time.

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AudioArchitect,

Did the msrps on some of the Chorus 800Vs go up?
I saw a website that, if correct, showed some models going up by as much as $200.
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Did the msrps on some of the Chorus 800Vs go up?
I saw a website that, if correct, showed some models going up by as much as $200.

Yes, there was a price increase in all of Focals lines except for the Profile series. The 836V went up the most. However, they were "underpriced" when they first came out to shake up the market, and now they represent a more "real" price. However, they are still incredible for the money.

I think they are so good in fact that they are seriously cutting into Profile sales.
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I don't think the profiles ever took off like they hoped. I heard about them last year at the HE show in NY. They seemed high on them. But I guess they just never caught on. But not to worry. There are plenty of other lines now.

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Yes, there was a price increase in all of Focals lines except for the Profile series. The 836V went up the most. However, they were "underpriced" when they first came out to shake up the market, and now they represent a more "real" price. However, they are still incredible for the money.

I think they are so good in fact that they are seriously cutting into Profile sales.

AudioArchitect,
Have you compared the 806v with the Paradigm Studio 20's, Energy RC10 or the Monitor Audio Gr10?
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Have you compared the 806v with the Paradigm Studio 20's, Energy RC10 or the Monitor Audio Gr10?

I have the Energy RC10 and Monitor Audio GS10, but I dont carry Paradigm.

The GS10 are twice the price so its a hard comparison. The Monitor Audio are very resolute, detailed, no BS type speakers. That being said they can sound bright to some ears. The older GR series is little more metallic sounding than the newer GS. Generally you have two scenarios:

Midrange can be precise, more narrowly focused, and "in your face", OR
Can be more relaxed, with wider and deeper soundstage.

Focal is the latter of the two. It really a taste game because they are both excellent speakers.

For the music listener, the Focals will probably be an easier speaker to live with. Energy is a great high value company. I love the tweeter in the RC series, the midwoofer is just ok. I wouldve liked the RC bookshelf to have a full 6.5" midwoofer instead of the 5.25" in the RC10. Plus I have to question the long term viability of a company owned by Klipsch

With the demise of Good Guys, and lack of no "Plan B" in place, I think Energy has really failed to recover fully.

You might consider the 807V as well, thats an awesome speaker.
What would I buy? The Focal.

Talk to KRiS1 on this forum. Hes got the 807V front and back along with the center. He converted from as Monitor Audio Silver RS setup. He sounds like a happy camper.
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Thanks.
I have a pair of the 806v's at the house now and I own MA S2's. They offer a very different presentation. I am use to the S2's, so I really need to compare the two. Do the Focal's need to break in?
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I dont know why or how Revels sound more dynamic than the Focals, because the Focal Electra is FAR superior to Revel design. Its hard to do an objective comparison especially if listening from two different dealers because most dealers dont demo their speakers properly.

Absolutely agreed. That is part of the problem. No one dealer that carries both. Perceived dynamics can be vastly affected.

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You mentioned previously that you dont want to do 1007Be in the back. I dont know why because they are more than suited for it especially using a Fathom. Especially since you mention below that the rears will be placed in "less than ideal placement". IMO its a waste to do 1027s in the back.

Well, for the same reason you'd want 1027Be for the front. The rear channels are not frequency limited, sometimes with huge dynamic swings and deep bass. IMHO based on what I heard, the 1007's would strain with these dynamics, even if crossed over at 80Hz. Am I wrong?

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If I was piecing this system together I would recommend the following:

1 pair 1037Be for front left/right
1 single CC1000Be for center
1 pair 1007Be for surround left/right
1 Fathom F11? or 2

In this situation you have probably the most dynamic loudspeaker (1037) under $20K in the front left/right for the best music listening as well as movies. Keep in mind you are far more sensitive to whats happening in the front than what happening in the rear, and again why I think that 1027 in the back is overkill. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the suggestion. So I should go hear the 1037Be eh? Let me ask you this, since I haven't heard the center channel, how can that center keep up with the 1037Bes (or even the 1027Be's)? It seems so small.
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If you are running full range all around, I am just curious why the F52 would not be an issue and the 1027 would be.

The Revels have a dial which can be set for "boundary" if the speakers need to be placed closer to the walls (in the rear) than those in the front. This tames the boominess that can happen in such a situation. With the center too, there are different setting dependent upon placement.

The focals, as you have pointed out in the past and others with significant experience have mentioned, are a little more finnicky with precise placement. That's all I was talking about.

I am still so torn here.

Based on AudioArhitect's advice, I may have to go give the 1007Be's a 2nd chance and see if I could use them as rears. I'm not sure if I would then go with 1037Be's up front, or rather go with 4 x 1007Be & 2 x 1027Be up front w./ the center channels to do a 7.1 system for just a little more $$$ than using 1027Be's in the rear.

Like I said, analysis paralysis. Killing me. One day though this year, I will get this done!!!
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Thanks.
I have a pair of the 806v's at the house now and I own MA S2's. They offer a very different presentation. I am use to the S2's, so I really need to compare the two. Do the Focal's need to break in?

The 807v would be a better competitor to your S2's. My wife and I liked the 807's over the 806vs when we had both in our house. I went from the MA RS, to the Focals. It was tough as both are excellent speakers IMO. I love the MA gold series, but only when driven by better electronics.
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