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joecmess's Avatar joecmess 11:26 PM 06-05-2014
It sounds great to me. For example, in older systems I've had, even with speakers that were same drivers and timbre matched, when voice would pan from left to center, i could hear the transition. I would attribute this more to the crossovers in the speakers. I don't get this issue with the focals. They blend perfectly.

ivancho789's Avatar ivancho789 09:41 AM 06-09-2014

Does anybody know what kind of insulation do they use inside in the  focal aria range of speakers or in the chorus 800 series. Rock wool,. glass wool , or some other kind ? 


niccolo's Avatar niccolo 12:27 AM 06-28-2014
I've got Focal 716V 2.5-way towers, matching center, and older JMLab Tantal 507 bookshelf rears, powered by a Denon X2000. I have a Rythmik FV15HP sub on the way. Any advice on where to set the crossover point between the speakers and sub?

I figured I'd start with the textbook 80hz "small" speaker setting, but obviously my speakers (even the rears) can go a lot lower than that. To be clear, this is for home theater. For music (I listen to a lot of classical, especially solo and chamber) I'm guessing I'll prefer to let the towers do their stereo thing via the "pure direct" mode and turn off the sub.

Of course there'll be some classical music (organ, and even orchestral) where I'll want the sub to supplement the towers, in a perfect world I'd have two crossover settings, maybe an 80hz one for home theater and a 40hz one for music where I want the sub, but I don't think the Denon will allow me to store two different crossover settings (by all means correct me if I'm mistaken).

And yes, I know it's minor sacrilege to at least some here to power these speakers with this AVR, or to reduce these speakers to a "small" home theater role, but it is what it is--feedback welcome given my constraints, as opposed to a perfect world in which I had dedicated movie and music systems or a much more expensive AVR. Thanks!
niccolo's Avatar niccolo 08:08 PM 06-29-2014
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I've got Focal 716V 2.5-way towers, matching center, and older JMLab Tantal 507 bookshelf rears, powered by a Denon X2000. I have a Rythmik FV15HP sub on the way. Any advice on where to set the crossover point between the speakers and sub?

I figured I'd start with the textbook 80hz "small" speaker setting, but obviously my speakers (even the rears) can go a lot lower than that. To be clear, this is for home theater. For music (I listen to a lot of classical, especially solo and chamber) I'm guessing I'll prefer to let the towers do their stereo thing via the "pure direct" mode and turn off the sub.

Of course there'll be some classical music (organ, and even orchestral) where I'll want the sub to supplement the towers, in a perfect world I'd have two crossover settings, maybe an 80hz one for home theater and a 40hz one for music where I want the sub, but I don't think the Denon will allow me to store two different crossover settings (by all means correct me if I'm mistaken).

And yes, I know it's minor sacrilege to at least some here to power these speakers with this AVR, or to reduce these speakers to a "small" home theater role, but it is what it is--feedback welcome given my constraints, as opposed to a perfect world in which I had dedicated movie and music systems or a much more expensive AVR. Thanks!
Okay, so my towers are rated to 50 hz, my center is rated to 61 hz, and my surrounds are rated to 62 hz (which surprises me, they feel like they hit fairly low, in a large space without corner loading). So I'm thinking the standard 80 hz crossover to the sub is probably the best choice, though I could perhaps go as low as 60 hz to let the towers do their thing more on music.
SeaNile's Avatar SeaNile 06:34 PM 07-08-2014
Just got finished listening to the Electra 1000Be2 and WOW they were awesome. Driven buy a 16K Devailet amp. Pretty sure I want to pull the trigger on the Electra's but someone is really pushing me to listen to the Aerial 7T's before I make a purchase.

Now it's time to shop for best price on the Electra and also need to figure out what pre/dac/amp combo to go with.
Francky's Avatar Francky 05:39 AM 07-11-2014
Hi all, new to Focal nirvana and seeking advice. I bought Chorus 816V with a CC700 center channel and i'm wondering if there is a notable difference with the CC800V center channel and if it's worth the trade. The stuff in my sig is my previous setup which is all on sale (only the speakers, not the sub or avr).
Weiman's Avatar Weiman 10:06 AM 07-11-2014
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Hi all, new to Focal nirvana and seeking advice. I bought Chorus 816V with a CC700 center channel and i'm wondering if there is a notable difference with the CC800V center channel and if it's worth the trade. The stuff in my sig is my previous setup which is all on sale (only the speakers, not the sub or avr).
I only have the 700 series so I can't give you a comparison, but I wouldn't expect a big difference in sound. I find the CC700 a bit lacking in bass and the CC800V has a bigger enclosure (still sealed though), so that may be a plus. Otherwise the specs are very similar, so it's probably more a matter of aesthetics than sound.

All assuming it's the new (2013) CC700 you have!
SeaNile's Avatar SeaNile 09:43 PM 07-11-2014
Question for you guys. I am between the Focal 1038 and the Aerial 7T speakers. Once that decision is made I'd like to add pieces to the system slowly and hopefully can avoid buying speakers, DVD/CD player, pre amp and amp...or integrated all at once.

I have a few unused amps right now. Could I use one of these amps to power the speakers, lets say the Focal 1038be, till I really decide on power....Crest CC4000, iNuke6000dsp or an Emotiva XPA-5?

Thanks.
Doctor Morbius's Avatar Doctor Morbius 09:56 PM 07-11-2014
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Question for you guys. I am between the Focal 1038 and the Aerial 7T speakers. Once that decision is made I'd like to add pieces to the system slowly and hopefully can avoid buying speakers, DVD/CD player, pre amp and amp...or integrated all at once.

I have a few unused amps right now. Could I use one of these amps to power the speakers, lets say the Focal 1038be, till I really decide on power....Crest CC4000, iNuke6000dsp or an Emotiva XPA-5?

Thanks.
As per the manufacturer's specs, the efficiency rating is 93 db so it's not like you're trying to push Magnepans or some other black hole, power sucking speakers. Any of those amps will do fine.
Francky's Avatar Francky 07:45 AM 07-12-2014
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I only have the 700 series so I can't give you a comparison, but I wouldn't expect a big difference in sound. I find the CC700 a bit lacking in bass and the CC800V has a bigger enclosure (still sealed though), so that may be a plus. Otherwise the specs are very similar, so it's probably more a matter of aesthetics than sound.

All assuming it's the new (2013) CC700 you have!

It's not the 2013, dont know what year it is, i bought it used and has the JM Lab/focal name on it. What's the difference with the 2013 CC700?
Weiman's Avatar Weiman 08:08 AM 07-12-2014
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It's not the 2013, dont know what year it is, i bought it used and has the JM Lab/focal name on it. What's the difference with the 2013 CC700?
The updated 700 series was introduced in 2013, before that it was called 700V. But if yours says JM Lab it's definitely quite a bit older and nothing I wrote above applies
Francky's Avatar Francky 04:34 AM 07-14-2014
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It's not the 2013, dont know what year it is, i bought it used and has the JM Lab/focal name on it. What's the difference with the 2013 CC700?

Nevermind, i ordered the CC800V.
Weiman's Avatar Weiman 02:43 PM 07-14-2014
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Nevermind, i ordered the CC800V.

Good call
SuperPoser's Avatar SuperPoser 12:08 AM 07-16-2014
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It's not the 2013, dont know what year it is, i bought it used and has the JM Lab/focal name on it. What's the difference with the 2013 CC700?
The original Chorus CC700 was from ~2002 and looks like this:

The CC700 was replaced in 2004 with the CC700S. Next was the CC700V in ~2006. That model lasted till 2013 when they went back to Chorus 700CC.
The first upgrade greatly refined the highs, and also changed the woofers. All the following revisions continued to upgrade the tweeter, but I believe the woofers remained the same.
FWIW, I had the CC700S, and it was the worst speaker in the Chorus S line.
Francky's Avatar Francky 05:50 AM 07-16-2014
Got the 800v yesterday and it's a beauty plus it is ported.
ElectricTater's Avatar ElectricTater 11:42 PM 07-21-2014
I tried to search but I am not sure what to search for to find a speaker stand. The picture is showing a focal speaker set up so I thought this would be the place to start looking.

I would like to know if anyone here knows what stands the 1008BE are on, I thought they looked pretty cool and want to read up on them.

Thanks


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escutcheon's Avatar escutcheon 03:56 AM 07-25-2014
I saw pictures of this stand here...
http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthre...899#post206899
...a taiwanese audiophile forum. It list these stands as JTL Audio.

Hope its helpful.

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I tried to search but I am not sure what to search for to find a speaker stand. The picture is showing a focal speaker set up so I thought this would be the place to start looking.

I would like to know if anyone here knows what stands the 1008BE are on, I thought they looked pretty cool and want to read up on them.

Thanks


ElecticTater

ElectricTater's Avatar ElectricTater 12:35 AM 07-26-2014
Thanks Escutcheon!!!

I wish I could speak Polish to read about them on their website but this is a start at finding more information on them. The stands looks pretty cool and I would imagine isolate the speakers pretty darn well.


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I saw pictures of this stand here...
http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthre...899#post206899
...a taiwanese audiophile forum. It list these stands as JTL Audio.

Hope its helpful.

Francky's Avatar Francky 03:45 AM 07-28-2014
Need opinions on amp. Look at my sig for my components. Speakers are hooked up to Cambridge 751r avr, 200w/rms in stereo, 120w/rms all channel driven. I'm wondering if there would be a gain in sound quality if i amped my fronts. Spoke to a salesman where i bought the speakers and he suggested i try the Cambridge 851W 200w/rms and i would see a big improvement. He says it's not only the amount of watts being fed to the speakers but also the manner. I listen to a lot of 5.1 bd concerts and 2.0 music so all input would be appreciated.
SuperPoser's Avatar SuperPoser 09:22 AM 07-30-2014
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Need opinions on amp. Look at my sig for my components. Speakers are hooked up to Cambridge 751r avr, 200w/rms in stereo, 120w/rms all channel driven. I'm wondering if there would be a gain in sound quality if i amped my fronts. Spoke to a salesman where i bought the speakers and he suggested i try the Cambridge 851W 200w/rms and i would see a big improvement. He says it's not only the amount of watts being fed to the speakers but also the manner. I listen to a lot of 5.1 bd concerts and 2.0 music so all input would be appreciated.
I don't have any experience with Cambridge avrs. I would suggest telling your salesman that you would like to audition the Cambridge 851W in your home, then you can listen for an improvement yourself.
FWIW, I am very happy with my Anthem PVA-7 on my Electra 1027S fronts. I have been told the Anthem MCA series is a nice improvement over the PVA when powering Electras, but I haven't gotten around to trying it.
Greg121986's Avatar Greg121986 02:20 PM 07-30-2014
I had some Focal Aria 926s on my Anthem PVA7 recently and I was really surprised how good it sounded. I'm not crazy about the PVA7 but it is a pretty good amp. I had an Emotiva XPA 5 Gen 2 last year and it sounded better than the PVA7 with my Swan Diva 6.2 speakers, but the Emotiva was far more noisy than the Anthem so the Emotiva went back.

I'm on the fence between Aria 936 and Electra 1028 Be2 Low Luster right now so I will be taking my Anthem into my dealer and trying it on both speakers very soon. I'll report back on my findings.
plasma21's Avatar plasma21 07:54 AM 07-31-2014
I have been looking at (and listening to) a variety of satellite speakers for my living room 5.1 system: Orb Audio, Paradigm MillenniaOne, Gallo A'Diva, B&W M1, Deftechs etc. etc.

Finally I heard the Focal Dome. To me they sounded significantly better than any of the above brands. Before I go ahead and commit to these, is there anything to watch out for? They are certainly expensive but c'est la vie...

I currently have a Denon powering a Velodyn Sub and Bose double cubes (yeah I know...).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Greg121986's Avatar Greg121986 10:49 AM 07-31-2014
I'd like to hear from anyone with Focal's 2 way center channel speakers. I've read some things indicating difficulties in doing a good center channel speaker with 2 woofers and 1 tweeter. Tuning crossovers can be difficult, and timing issues are inherent in 2 way designs with a single tweeter flanked by 2 woofers.

Has everyone been happy with the clarity, transparency, and detail of their 2 way center channels? I'm concerned that the Aria line center channel is only 2 way. The Electra has a dedicated tweeter and mid-range which should make for better timing and crossover tuning. Has anyone compared any 2 way and 3 way Focal Centers?
niccolo's Avatar niccolo 12:32 PM 07-31-2014
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I'd like to hear from anyone with Focal's 2 way center channel speakers. I've read some things indicating difficulties in doing a good center channel speaker with 2 woofers and 1 tweeter. Tuning crossovers can be difficult, and timing issues are inherent in 2 way designs with a single tweeter flanked by 2 woofers.

Has everyone been happy with the clarity, transparency, and detail of their 2 way center channels? I'm concerned that the Aria line center channel is only 2 way. The Electra has a dedicated tweeter and mid-range which should make for better timing and crossover tuning. Has anyone compared any 2 way and 3 way Focal Centers?
I've been quite happy with my cc700v, but it's my first center channel so I don't have a basis for comparison. But it does seem to integrate well with my 716v 2.5-way towers. I'm crossing them all over at 60hz to a Rythmik servo sub, which is probably a bit low, especially for the center, but to my ears that sounds better than 80hz, and for both music and movies.
Chucka's Avatar Chucka 11:46 PM 07-31-2014
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I'd like to hear from anyone with Focal's 2 way center channel speakers. I've read some things indicating difficulties in doing a good center channel speaker with 2 woofers and 1 tweeter. Tuning crossovers can be difficult, and timing issues are inherent in 2 way designs with a single tweeter flanked by 2 woofers.

Has everyone been happy with the clarity, transparency, and detail of their 2 way center channels? I'm concerned that the Aria line center channel is only 2 way. The Electra has a dedicated tweeter and mid-range which should make for better timing and crossover tuning. Has anyone compared any 2 way and 3 way Focal Centers?
I too would be interested in hearing from people using these Focal two way center channel speaker designs, but especially those using the new Aria CC900 centers. I wonder if Focal will eventually add a 3 way center to the new 900 series as this would be a better design choice for a center.
Francky's Avatar Francky 03:26 AM 08-01-2014
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I'd like to hear from anyone with Focal's 2 way center channel speakers. I've read some things indicating difficulties in doing a good center channel speaker with 2 woofers and 1 tweeter. Tuning crossovers can be difficult, and timing issues are inherent in 2 way designs with a single tweeter flanked by 2 woofers.

Has everyone been happy with the clarity, transparency, and detail of their 2 way center channels? I'm concerned that the Aria line center channel is only 2 way. The Electra has a dedicated tweeter and mid-range which should make for better timing and crossover tuning. Has anyone compared any 2 way and 3 way Focal Centers?
I recently upgraded from Klipsch, my centre channel was the monstruous RC64II and this is the only thing i miss about the Klipschs. I have a CC800V, i cant tell what the problem is but it is deceiving compared with the sound upgrade i got from the rest of the system. The Klipsch was also a 2 way but it blew the Focal away. Can't say if it's a crossover thing but i suspect it's more a enclosure thing. What i dont understand is the CC800v has the same woofers as the 816V but the outpout isnt there, it sounds really too lean and feels like it's overdriven. Clarity is superb and no harshness at all but even though it is back ported (2 back ports) i cant feel any bass coming out of it. I tried small and large config in the avr setup and it doesnt change much. I can see the woofers are working properly but it doesnt give any feeling in the mids and low frequencies. I know a centre channel is mostly about dialogue and there is no need to go low but there is almost no depth. I havent listened to the Aria CC900 but i suspect it would sound about the same.
niccolo's Avatar niccolo 10:03 AM 08-01-2014
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I recently upgraded from Klipsch, my centre channel was the monstruous RC64II and this is the only thing i miss about the Klipschs. I have a CC800V, i cant tell what the problem is but it is deceiving compared with the sound upgrade i got from the rest of the system. The Klipsch was also a 2 way but it blew the Focal away. Can't say if it's a crossover thing but i suspect it's more a enclosure thing. What i dont understand is the CC800v has the same woofers as the 816V but the outpout isnt there, it sounds really too lean and feels like it's overdriven. Clarity is superb and no harshness at all but even though it is back ported (2 back ports) i cant feel any bass coming out of it. I tried small and large config in the avr setup and it doesnt change much. I can see the woofers are working properly but it doesnt give any feeling in the mids and low frequencies. I know a centre channel is mostly about dialogue and there is no need to go low but there is almost no depth. I havent listened to the Aria CC900 but i suspect it would sound about the same.
Sounds like you're not using a sub? I have my cc700v crossed over fairly low at 60 hz and it seems to do fine. And it's not ported, unlike yours.
scirica's Avatar scirica 11:37 AM 08-01-2014
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I too would be interested in hearing from people using these Focal two way center channel speaker designs, but especially those using the new Aria CC900 centers. I wonder if Focal will eventually add a 3 way center to the new 900 series as this would be a better design choice for a center.
I've been using the CC900 with the Aria 948 mains for a few months now. I would consider the center "adequate" with room for improvement given the amazing performance of the 948's. Just seems one step below the capability of the 948's. I'd also like the option of plugging the two ports on the back (depending on placement).
niccolo's Avatar niccolo 11:57 AM 08-01-2014
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I've been using the CC900 with the Aria 948 mains for a few months now. I would consider the center "adequate" with room for improvement given the amazing performance of the 948's. Just seems one step below the capability of the 948's. I'd also like the option of plugging the two ports on the back (depending on placement).
Presumably the speaker is tuned for the ports, so plugging them would have a detrimental effect on the sound.

It's interesting that the ports only lower the frequency response very modestly, i.e. the cc700v without ports is rated to 61 hz and the cc800v, which adds the ports, to 57 hz, though presumably they increase the output around the port tune. Also, I've gotten good results crossing over at 60 hz instead of the usual 80 hz, but I wonder whether I've got a hole in my frequency response as a result? Don't have measuring equipment to ascertain that at this point.
scirica's Avatar scirica 12:46 PM 08-01-2014
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Presumably the speaker is tuned for the ports, so plugging them would have a detrimental effect on the sound.
Maybe yes, maybe no...It may depend on the installation options or constraints. I'm just asking for some plugs that could be used optionally in certain installs.
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