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I had a chance to hear Aerial 7T briefly at last RMAF. Nice sounding, but didn't make me want to switch from F208. If I'd wanted to spend more a year ago, I'm sure the 7T's are worth the price.
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Something tells me if you were to do a blinded and level-matched comparison of the 7T's and the F208's, that there would only be subtle differences between them.

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I think the f208's wider dispersion would give it the edge.

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Why does (or why would) the F208 have wider dispersion? Because its midrange is a bit smaller (5.25 in vs. 5.9 in)? I haven't seen comprehensive measurements for the F208s (yet?), but I'd guess their dispersion isn't all that different.

And whether or not wider dispersion is actually an advantage or a disadvantage would depend on the room and on listener preferences.

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Stereophile's measurements show broad, even dispersion for the 7T. It looks to me like the 7T uses more expensive cabinet and drivers than the F208. I did not necessarily hear better sound quality, but if I heard them side by side who knows?

BTW, We might see a Stereophile test of the F208 soon. I'm guessing
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Why does (or why would) the F208 have wider dispersion? Because its midrange is a bit smaller (5.25 in vs. 5.9 in)? I haven't seen comprehensive measurements for the F208s (yet?), but I'd guess their dispersion isn't all that different.

And whether or not wider dispersion is actually an advantage or a disadvantage would depend on the room and on listener preferences.

It's reasonable to assume that it would have similar dispersion to the Studio 2.

The aerial's off axis response, while well behaved, is somewhat more narrow.

The correlation between wide dispersion and preference in a blind and level matched comparison is pretty well known. But you're right, in some rooms a narrow dispersion pattern could be preferred, and there is something to be said about image specificity as well.

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I'm curious as to why. IMO you're trading one excellent speaker for another very similarly excellent speaker.

I think the F208s sound great. I wanted to go to the next level and this was a good time...spending 3K after the sell of the F208s is a great deal for me! I don't want to get into what's better or is it worth going to Aerial 7Ts. I do think the Aerials 7Ts are built better than F208s.

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I think the F208s sound great. I wanted to go to the next level and this was a good time...spending 3K after the sell of the F208s is a great deal for me! I don't want to get into what's better or is it worth going to Aerial 7Ts. I do think the Aerials 7Ts are built better than F208s.

Yeah, the 7T's may very well be built better. I suspect they are. Whether or not that translates to sound quality improvements is tough to say. They may hold together better at high levels or have slightly cleaner bass b/c of better build quality, but that's purely speculation on my part. In any case I think both are very nice speakers, so enjoy!

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East and west coast dealers I know have either Salon or Studios. LA and NY areas give you good options

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Cool, next time I am in Chicago I will look them up!

There are none in San Diego or Orange County for that matter frown.gif

LA options are not as good as you might think. This is the area I'm talking about. Displaying dealers all dried up. Nothing in OC or SD and maybe a couple on the west side of LA, but that's a bit far. You have to be really, really determined. Appointments required.
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LA options are not as good as you might think. This is the area I'm talking about. Displaying dealers all dried up. Nothing in OC or SD and maybe a couple on the west side of LA, but that's a bit far. You have to be really, really determined. Appointments required.
What about http://www.sunnyaudiovideo.com? Is that far from you? I'm not in OC or SD much so I can't say.

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sunny's is no longer a Revel Dealer
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sunny's is no longer a Revel Dealer

Per a local dealer, Revel does no marketing which makes their products a relative unknown. He said it's a tough sell for speakers whose brand is so unrecognizable.

I wonder what the volumes are of these high end speakers. I saw a cosmetically perfect floor model of the 802Ds one time at a dealer. I went back here almost 9 months later and they were still there.
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Per a local dealer, Revel does no marketing which makes their products a relative unknown. He said it's a tough sell for speakers whose brand is so unrecognizable.

I wonder what the volumes are of these high end speakers. I saw a cosmetically perfect floor model of the 802Ds one time at a dealer. I went back here almost 9 months later and they were still there.

I suspect the market the store is in is everything. I can one better your 802 example, my dealer still has a pair of Focal Alto Utopia's so they have been in store a long time, we are talking years now.

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sunny's is no longer a Revel Dealer

Interesting! I guess that's why they were offering Ultima2 and other models at seriously great pricing a few months ago!

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It depends of the location these are expensive and you have to be willing to really spend the money!

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I think the F208s sound great. I wanted to go to the next level and this was a good time...spending 3K after the sell of the F208s is a great deal for me! I don't want to get into what's better or is it worth going to Aerial 7Ts. I do think the Aerials 7Ts are built better than F208s.
I've not seen either speaker but what makes you think the 7T's are better built? Just curious.

I would suspect that the Aerial's may have more expensive drivers as they retail for twice the price of F208s.

 

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I've not seen either speaker but what makes you think the 7T's are better built? Just curious.

I would suspect that the Aerial's may have more expensive drivers as they retail for twice the price of F208s.

Some drivers are made in-house, others are bought and volume matters so I am not sure how that applies.

At that price, I'd look for a deal on Studio2's.

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I don't think Revel is the answer to everyone. So many different speakers out there. I don't think one brand fits all.
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I've not seen either speaker but what makes you think the 7T's are better built? Just curious.

I would suspect that the Aerial's may have more expensive drivers as they retail for twice the price of F208s.

I'll admit up front I'm just guessing that the Aerial's are better built. I've seen both in person and thought both looked very nice, however. But I lean toward the Aerials being better built because the two are about the same size but the Aerials weigh 15-20 pounds more (I think). They're probably both built quite well, so it's really just splitting hairs and making guesses, not stating facts.

I do suspect the Aerial's drivers are more expensive, as you do, but driver pricing, as RichB points out, depends in good part on volumes purchased, so, again, just making guesses. But in quantities of ONE, I bet the Aerial drivers would cost more. Whether that makes them any better, well, not necessarily.

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I don't think Revel is the answer to everyone. So many different speakers out there. I don't think one brand fits all.
You are walking on thin ice my friend. wink.gif

Rich, I to would be looking at Studio2s for that price but I'm guessing that the soon-to-be-former-member of the Revel Clubhouse is not paying retail for the 7Ts.
BTW, the 7Ts are in the Class A Restricted LF category according to Stereophile.

I'll edit myself from a previous post;
I should have said "I would have to think that the Aerial drivers are more costly since the speakers are twice the retail", rather than "suspect".
Aerial's are very well-respected speakers. No one sells them around here or I definitely would've auditioned them when looking for speakers.

 

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I've not seen either speaker but what makes you think the 7T's are better built? Just curious.

I would suspect that the Aerial's may have more expensive drivers as they retail for twice the price of F208s.


I'm not going to argue about my or anyone's personal opinion. I will be more than happy to share my thoughts on the differences between the F208s and 7Ts. I should have them on 5/16/2014.

 

I submit the problem with "highend" equipment is "group think". Just because I owned Revels doesn't mean I can't pursue others speakers. I purchased the Aerial 7Ts, because relatively speaking, I submit they offer good value based on what I want to spend. I'm 100% sure there are better speakers than Aerial 7Ts, but I'm no longer willing to spend over 10K for speakers.

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It is identical to what I will order for the front four towers and centre, but sadly these are not mine.
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I'm not going to argue about my or anyone's personal opinion. I will be more than happy to share my thoughts on the differences between the F208s and 7Ts. I should have them on 5/16/2014.

I submit the problem with "highend" equipment is "group think". Just because I owned Revels doesn't mean I can't pursue others speakers. I purchased the Aerial 7Ts, because relatively speaking, I submit they offer good value based on what I want to spend. I'm 100% sure there are better speakers than Aerial 7Ts, but I'm no longer willing to spend over 10K for speakers.
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Zulu, where did you take these pics?
What a beautiful space.

 

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Zulu, where did you take these pics?
What a beautiful space.

At the local Revel dealer in my city.

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