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Don't forget about room aesthetic and wife acceptance as well. Even if he could improve the sound 10% by doing those things, he may still choose NOT to do it for the sake of better room aesthetic and wife acceptance.

It's the same way with subwoofer placement. Sure, the best subwoofer placement may be right in the middle of the room. But would anyone place their subwoofer smack in the middle of the room?
Pretty much it. My loving lady has been tolerant of my indulgences, but i can't put speakers in the middle of the room or have subwoofers out in the open. The aesthetic of the room is important to me as well. This is the primary reason I'm considering doing a dedicated theater in the basement and moving all the toys there. The only problem is i spend most of my time on the main floor so I'm able to enjoy the system on a frequent basis.
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Thanks! It's actually 2 of the JL f212s but each one has two subs in it.
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I think most people would consider that 7.2 because they are 2 cabinets.

For example, most people would consider a subwoofer with 3 woofers to be one subwoofer, not 3 subwoofers, because it is only a single cabinet.

A subwoofer with 3 woofers and 5,000 cubic inch of volume will not output more than a subwoofer with 1 woofer and 10,000 cubic inch of volume. The 5,000 cubic inch cabinet will output less bass.
AcuDefTechGuy is correct in what most would consider the setup. Even though the Fathom 212's have separate left and right inputs the drivers don't operate independently in each cabinet thus there are only 2 subwoofers even though you have 4 drivers. To be even more specific it's technically 7.1 as there is only ever a single LFE channel in a surround mix.

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AcuDefTechGuy is correct in what most would consider the setup. Even though the Fathom 212's have separate left and right inputs the drivers don't operate independently in each cabinet thus there are only 2 subwoofers even though you have 4 drivers. To be even more specific it's technically 7.1 as there is only ever a single LFE channel in a surround mix.
There are certainly a few ways to look at. Either way, it pounds like a rabid gorilla while remaining surprisingly tight and accurate.

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AcuDefTechGuy is correct in what most would consider the setup. Even though the Fathom 212's have separate left and right inputs the drivers don't operate independently in each cabinet thus there are only 2 subwoofers even though you have 4 drivers. To be even more specific it's technically 7.1 as there is only ever a single LFE channel in a surround mix.
Except when you say "7.1" people will then ask, "So do you only have 1 subwoofer?"

But when you say "7.4" people will realize that although there is only 1 LFE, the ".4" signifies that you have 4 subwoofers.
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Pretty much it. My loving lady has been tolerant of my indulgences, but i can't put speakers in the middle of the room or have subwoofers out in the open. The aesthetic of the room is important to me as well. This is the primary reason I'm considering doing a dedicated theater in the basement and moving all the toys there. The only problem is i spend most of my time on the main floor so I'm able to enjoy the system on a frequent basis.
Just like even if acoustic sound panels improves the sound 10%, most people are not going to hang giant panels all over their rooms. They will just add rugs, carpets, sofas, pillows, drapes, curtains, paintings, etc.

Yeah. It looks great. It sounds great. Everyone is happy. Life is good. Enjoy. Right?

Like they always say in the medical field, treat the patient, not the lab numbers.

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Very nice system and room, congrats. We don't see enough pics of Ultima systems posted.
Thanks so much! I swap out components quite a bit but I spent a number of months auditioning before landing on the Salon2s and i'm sure ill keep them for a very very long time, if not forever. They sound phenomenal.

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Except when you say "7.1" people will then ask, "So do you only have 1 subwoofer?"

But when you say "7.4" people will realize that although there is only 1 LFE, the ".4" signifies that you have 4 subwoofers.

ha ha, yeah, true.

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I'm in the middle of speaker shopping and have listened to the Aerial 7T, Salk SoundScape 8 and Focal 1038be so far. I keep reading all these incredible reviews of the Studio 2 by Revel. Occasionally I will find a thread that says the Aerial 7T is far superior to the Studio2, but I wanted to ask on here as well.

I don't have a defined budget yet but speakers should be $7000-$10,000, hopefully somewhere close to 8K.

Also undecided on power which is an entire different subject....but maybe a Hegel h300 integrated?
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I'm in the middle of speaker shopping and have listened to the Aerial 7T, Salk SoundScape 8 and Focal 1038be so far. I keep reading all these incredible reviews of the Studio 2 by Revel. Occasionally I will find a thread that says the Aerial 7T is far superior to the Studio2, but I wanted to ask on here as well.

I don't have a defined budget yet but speakers should be $7000-$10,000, hopefully somewhere close to 8K.

Also undecided on power which is an entire different subject....but maybe a Hegel h300 integrated?
So what was your favorite of the three? All three were on my list when I was in the market but never got to listen to any. The Studio2 is pretty amazing.

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So far I like the Focal 1038be the best so far. I'm going to listen to the Revel Studio 2 on Friday and hope that will help in the decision process. Unless the Studio 2's absolutely floor me, I'll go back and listen to the Aerial 7T and Focal 1038 again.


Really liked the Focal 1038be and the Devialet combo, until I saw the price of the Devialet!!! $16,000 was a shock. Probably will go with the more reasonable Hegel h300 for power and DAC capability.
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So far I like the Focal 1038be the best so far. I'm going to listen to the Revel Studio 2 on Friday and hope that will help in the decision process. Unless the Studio 2's absolutely floor me, I'll go back and listen to the Aerial 7T and Focal 1038 again.


Really liked the Focal 1038be and the Devialet combo, until I saw the price of the Devialet!!! $16,000 was a shock. Probably will go with the more reasonable Hegel h300 for power and DAC capability.
Bit surprised based on feedback on both the SS8s and the 7Ts but that is why we audition. What type of music do you listen to?
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I don't have the most diverse taste in music so most of it comes from classic rock type bands. As pathetic as this may be, if the system sounded absolutely fantastic playing Pink Floyd and not so good playing anything else....I'd be OK with that!


Once I have a decent sounding system I am positive it will get used more often and different varieties of music will be played. Especially if accessing an iTunes library is easy and sounds good.
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My tastes include 80's style alternative rock, indie rock, classic rock, eclectic, pop and very limited jazz and country. E.g. REM, Hoodoo Gurus, Clash, Talking Heads, Modest Mouse, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Montrose, Supertramp, Radiohead, Head East, Queen, Imagine Dragons, Katy Perry, Adele, Pink, Taylor Swift....
I think you will like the Studio2s. Looking forward to your impressions.

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So far I like the Focal 1038be the best so far. I'm going to listen to the Revel Studio 2 on Friday and hope that will help in the decision process. Unless the Studio 2's absolutely floor me, I'll go back and listen to the Aerial 7T and Focal 1038 again.


Really liked the Focal 1038be and the Devialet combo, until I saw the price of the Devialet!!! $16,000 was a shock. Probably will go with the more reasonable Hegel h300 for power and DAC capability.
Nice! The Focals are an excellent speaker. Have you tried listening to the 1028Be with a JL sub? It's amazing.

Btw, the Focal dealer said he actually prefers the 1028Be to the 1038Be...something with the optimal tweeter height.
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Occasionally I will find a thread that says the Aerial 7T is far superior to the Studio2
We hear all kinds of things, don't we?

I'm sure you can find a thread somewhere that says the Salk is far superior.

You can find a thread somewhere that says the JTR or Seaton is far superior.

I bet there's a thread somewhere that says the KEF or B&W or Wilson or Focal is far superior.

And somewhere the Ascend Sierra tower or some other tower is far superior too.

And on, and on, and on...

It is simply all personal preference.

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I don't have the most diverse taste in music so most of it comes from classic rock type bands. As pathetic as this may be, if the system sounded absolutely fantastic playing Pink Floyd and not so good playing anything else....I'd be OK with that!


Once I have a decent sounding system I am positive it will get used more often and different varieties of music will be played. Especially if accessing an iTunes library is easy and sounds good.
What I love about streaming lossless music files (like ALAC/M4A) is that you only need to keep exactly the songs you like and avoid the ones you don't like - your own personal best compilation. There are so many cases where I would only like 1 song out of the entire album. And it doesn't take up much space at all. I can put all the songs I like into my iPad as ALAC files and stream lossless music directly to a pre-pro or AVR with AirPlay or a separate Apple TV or Roku. They sound exactly as if I were listening to the CDs playing back on my $2K player.
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Hi all,

Great thread!

Does anyone have any information abut when the now long in the tooth Concerta line of speakers will be replaced? It has now been a couple of years since the Performa models have come out and it is about time Revel revamp the old Concertas.
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I think anyone who says that either the Aerials or the Revels "kill" the other are hyperbolic.
Obviously there can be a preference for either but "far superior" please

As far as the Devialet, $16k is a blatant rip-off for suckers who think piles of money automatically equal tangible improvement.

 

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Decided to buy the Revel Studio 2 and a Hegel h300. As much as I liked the Devialet there is no way I could justify the cost.
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decided to buy the revel studio 2 and a hegel h300. As much as i liked the devialet there is no way i could justify the cost.
congrats !!!!!!!
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I have about a 18' run to my one speaker and 13' run to the other. What kind of speaker wire are you guys using to hook up your Revel Studio speakers?
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I use whatever the cheapest 12AWG pure copper wire I can find in bulk spools.
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I think anyone who says that either the Aerials or the Revels "kill" the other are hyperbolic.
Obviously there can be a preference for either but "far superior" please

As far as the Devialet, $16k is a blatant rip-off for suckers who think piles of money automatically equal tangible improvement.
People spend that on a separate amp, preamp and dac/other source. It's an all in one solution at around the same price of high-end separates. They now have lesser models which are cheaper.
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Question for Revel

Question for Revel: Would removing those 2 wires in front of a Studio2/Salon2 speaker's tweeter make a noticeable or at least measurable improvement? I have no need for the protection offered by those wires, and I would imagine that they at least cause some diffraction which could hurt imaging.
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Question for Revel: Would removing those 2 wires in front of a Studio2/Salon2 speaker's tweeter make a noticeable or at least measurable improvement? I have no need for the protection offered by those wires, and I would imagine that they at least cause some diffraction which could hurt imaging.
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Question for Revel: Would removing those 2 wires in front of a Studio2/Salon2 speaker's tweeter make a noticeable or at least measurable improvement? I have no need for the protection offered by those wires, and I would imagine that they at least cause some diffraction which could hurt imaging.
Those are waveguides and aid in shaping the tweeter response. So the answer is don't touch them or remove them. They are part of the speakers design.
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Those are waveguides and aid in shaping the tweeter response. So the answer is don't touch them or remove them. They are part of the speakers design.
Source? I am almost certain they do no such function. The waveguide is the curved faceplate, as it is in various JBL and Revel tweeter designs.
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Source? I am almost certain they do no such function. The waveguide is the curved faceplate, as it is in various JBL and Revel tweeter designs.
Go for it. What could go wrong.
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Decided to buy the Revel Studio 2 and a Hegel h300. As much as I liked the Devialet there is no way I could justify the cost.
Congrats! I take you were able to audition the Studio2s. How did they compare to the 1038s?
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