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post #7351 of 7359 Old 09-30-2014, 04:40 AM
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Interesting. I had no issues powering my Salon2s with a Denon 4311. There was no audible difference when I "upgraded" to an Emotiva XPR-5 at reference level SPLs and lower.

I am not sure what you mean my reference level. At -6, I was able to illuminate the clipping indicator on a ATI3005 driving my Salons.
A receiver will run out of power and clip/reduce peak levels before it becomes unlistenable.
It can be difficult to hear the sound that is not produced.


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I am not sure what you mean my reference level.
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By reference I mean what the majority mean. A properly calibrated receiver so that 0 (relative scale) on the MV on their receiver is playing at reference SPLs. http://www.thx.com/consumer/thx-tech...ference-level/
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And I'm convinced that people who think they hear differences are usually not doing the comparison level-matched or blinded.
I agree that different people have different hearing abilities. Just like I can't run like Usain Bolt.

All I know is that I'm a value shopper and have gone thru a $199 Denon receiver to $549 Onkyo 708 to Emotiva XPA-5 to Emotiva XPR-5...each time the differences were clear.

I recently bought an XPA-2 for my 2 surround back channels. Doing an A/B on my Revel F208s, I volunteered my wife who couldn't care less about these things. She was able to clearly, on a double blind test, notice the smoother / better sound on the XPR-5.

I agree, your results will vary, but if I had even more revealing speakers like the Salon2s, the difference I'd have to imagine would be amplified (no pun intended) vs. attenuated.

Your results may vary but since the guys who asked the question can hear the difference, he knows where this road will lead.
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Several years back I added a pair of UPA-1s to an Onkyo TX-1008 with the expectation bias that it would either be no change or some improvement. Did not expect a step back in two channel. For movies (did not try multichannel music I don't believe) it was an improvement. Not able to switch at all fast so had to rely on notes but to me it was subtle but still distinguishable.
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I agree that different people have different hearing abilities. Just like I can't run like Usain Bolt.

All I know is that I'm a value shopper and have gone thru a $199 Denon receiver to $549 Onkyo 708 to Emotiva XPA-5 to Emotiva XPR-5...each time the differences were clear.

I recently bought an XPA-2 for my 2 surround back channels. Doing an A/B on my Revel F208s, I volunteered my wife who couldn't care less about these things. She was able to clearly, on a double blind test, notice the smoother / better sound on the XPR-5.

I agree, your results will vary, but if I had even more revealing speakers like the Salon2s, the difference I'd have to imagine would be amplified (no pun intended) vs. attenuated.

Your results may vary but since the guys who asked the question can hear the difference, he knows where this road will lead.
What method did you use for the level-matching? And what levels were you playing at (how loud)?

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Look, I'm not going to tell people what they're hearing or not or that they're hearing impaired if they don't agree with my experience.
I also believe that there's potentially more advantage to upping power or changing the type amp than simple SPL.
Sure the differences may be subtle but when you're at the level of systems that most here are, the subtle improvements although subtle may not be "small"
or indistinguishable to the listener.
I could cite many examples of improvements to me that are subtle but not small and sometimes those subtle differences can make all or a big difference in my enjoyment.

 

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What method did you use for the level-matching? And what levels were you playing at (how loud)?
I told my wife listen to this song and listen to it again afterwards after I switched amps. I don't get all scientific with audio, I just enjoy the music. I hope you understand what I mean.

We listen at pretty loud levels. Perhaps peak levels around 90-95dB at the listening position.
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A new review from SoundStageHifi "Recommended Reference Component: Revel Performa3 F206 Loudspeakers" (no published measurements):

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/reference-components/782-recommended-reference-component-revel-performa3-f206-loudspeakers

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A new review from SoundStageHifi "Recommended Reference Component: Revel Performa3 F206 Loudspeakers" (no published measurements):

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/reference-components/782-recommended-reference-component-revel-performa3-f206-loudspeakers

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Nice review indeed for the jr tower in the lineup. I am very seriously considering replacing my modest Focal Chorus family room setup with the F208/C208 combo and running some in ceiling and in wall sides/rears. Thinking of moving from the 8801 to the 7702 for atmos. I have no dealer with Performa3 on display so it's a bit of a leap, but I am fairly certain I'd be happy. The one thing I find concerning in the review and maybe unjustly, is the comparison to the Sych ones. I have always foudn them to have a very "veiled' sound to them. It could be their pulled back high end, but if memory serves (which it doesn't always do ) it was throughout the spectrum that the Synch's sounded pulled back. It's been so long though and I'd be lying if I said I were certain.

As far as listening, I find myself now about 60% HT and 40% music, where I used to be 90% HT. I have ver capable subs in my room, but placement is limited due to decor, so the F208 is more in my head for 2 channel sans sub vs 206. The room is very large 20x28 with 12ft ceilings. It actually responds quite well though with carpet, drapery and absorbtion. the Focal Chorus 706 and center do much better in there that I expected, particularly in imaging and stage width. I have them placed on the long wall as well. My thoughts for a move are motivated by the fact that they just can't go anywhere near as loud as I'd like, and when pushed, they strain...for $1500 lcr, they're expected to in all fairness. So with all that said, are the 208/c208 combo something that can be pushed hard without strain in a room that large? Is it unreasonable to expect to run 2 channel sans sub with the F208 in that space? and any thoughts on that PSB comparo? Thanks guys !


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