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Audioholics seems to be fairly independent in their AV assessments and reviews, but I find it curious that there are no (little) reviews of the Revel speakers. Are certain sites or publications aligned with certain companies exclusively? For under $5000, the Revel F208's are in my top 3 speakers and yet there was one preview" over two years ago and nothing subsequent. And nothing on the Salon?
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They may claim that, but that hasn't really been my observation. They seem to have some kind of relationship with RBH, for example.
Does the word payola come to mind? Much like the DJs of the '50s being paid by a record company to play a certain 45 more than others.
Any publication that excepts ads is most likely to be biased towards those companies.
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So, as many do, I went back to the dealer for a second and more extended listening period yesterday. I was surprised to find that I wasn't anywhere near as impressed the second time. I can't figure out why, maybe because I went back expecting so much, but the fealing was totally different. After my first session I couldn't imagine a better sounding speaker and after my second I seriously questioned spending the money on them. I even threw more ower from a nice NAD amp at them this time thinking it would make for an even better experience...now I'm as confused as ever
That's the nature of music listening. There are various factors--social, emotional, contextual that all play into our enjoyment of music (unless of course it is Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone which is always superlative).

Seriously, you'll findthat with speakers all the time. I have.

May I suggest you do several sessions and identify what you qualitatively like and don't like. Do you like a large soundstage or excellent dynamics? Do you like the soundstage image recessed or forward?

You will be making an investment so don't be afraid to take some time and comparison shop.

There is no right or wrong. It's what you like and what sounds best to you.

I'm a big fan of Revel and a loyal customer for years and I've worked my way up the product line. There have been times my speakers have been spot on, other times they haven't moved me as much and still other times where it's been otherworldly bliss.
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I put a lot less stock in reviews for speakers these days than for most other things. Maybe my ears are different or I'm very picky, but those internet direct Aperion speakers get great reviews (especially from Audioholics), and I wasn't all that impressed. Those GoldeEar Triton 2 towers also got rave reviews, but I wasn't wowed demoing those either. I think I'd just always want at least one subwoofer, so the compromise of them being built in didn't appeal to me since they didn't have much punch. I've also seemed to learn that I'm not a fan of folded ribbon tweeters in the couple of speakers I've heard.

The phrase of "trust your ear" is ringing more and more true the deeper I get.
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I put a lot less stock in reviews for speakers these days than for most other things. Maybe my ears are different or I'm very picky, but those internet direct Aperion speakers get great reviews (especially from Audioholics), and I wasn't all that impressed. Those GoldeEar Triton 2 towers also got rave reviews, but I wasn't wowed demoing those either. I think I'd just always want at least one subwoofer, so the compromise of them being built in didn't appeal to me since they didn't have much punch. I've also seemed to learn that I'm not a fan of folded ribbon tweeters in the couple of speakers I've heard.

The phrase of "trust your ear" is ringing more and more true the deeper I get.
I heard the Golden Ears too and was very disappointed. I made a comment to one of the guys there and he agreed but shrugged as he said that they were "flying off the shelves". Granted, the Golden Ears were in a far from ideal location in the store, but there was really nothing about them that made me want to sit for an extended session.

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I heard the Golden Ears too and was very disappointed. I made a comment to one of the guys there and he agreed but shrugged as he said that they were "flying off the shelves". Granted, the Golden Ears were in a far from ideal location in the store, but there was really nothing about them that made me want to sit for an extended session.
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Diy panels made a huge difference. Few more to go. It took away the tinney sound.
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Very nice panels. If you can't hide them, give them some flair. I like it.
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Diy panels made a huge difference. Few more to go. It took away the tinney sound.
Very nice looking layout of those panels.

But if you really want to tame the room, you need to add thick area rugs.
At least between the LCRs and the seating.
I live in an all concrete house (all that way here). And I do have panels along my right wall, behind the curtains. The other side is not a real problem.
And my LCRs are a minimum of 4 ft forward of the wall behind.

The biggest improvement was when I bought more area rugs. Hard horizontal surfaces cause more problems than vertical surfaces.
I have an 8 ft ∅ rug in the middle. It is quite dense (think of a tightly coiled rope).
I just recently bought three more thick rugs 1.2m x 1.7m and have them side-side making a carpeted area of 6' x 12' completely covering the area between the LCRs and seats, with the round rug acting as the carpet pad underneath.

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“Two speaker mono was considered superior to the one speaker, one path mono. A reflection from a vertical surface was barely audible but a horizontal reflector was more audible. An electronic delay comb filter was highly audible and annoying.”
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I know it might not be ideal to run the F208's with an AVR, but would it be bad to run these with a Pioneer Elite SC-87?

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I know it might not be ideal to run the F208's with an AVR, but would it be bad to run these with a Pioneer Elite SC-87?
It's 4 ohm stable. Shouldn't be a problem.

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Nice set up. The new revel F208's may be the best performance per cost speaker in my opinion
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Anyone have a opinion on the M106 vs M105? I'm interested in trying one of these with a 2.1 system. Distance maybe about 12 ft from the MLP, so I figured I can get the smaller M105 closer to the walls then the M106 in order to try and get a equal distance triangle going. I heard and liked the M106 but haven't been able to compare up against a M105.
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Anyone have a opinion on the M106 vs M105? I'm interested in trying one of these with a 2.1 system. Distance maybe about 12 ft from the MLP, so I figured I can get the smaller M105 closer to the walls then the M106 in order to try and get a equal distance triangle going. I heard and liked the M106 but haven't been able to compare up against a M105.
I think the M105 is a better speaker in most situations.

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I think the M105 is a better speaker in most situations.

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Geeze, you have 5 M105? What are you running a 5.1 with them? Any pics of the setup?

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Geeze, you have 5 M105? What are you running a 5.1 with them?
I run them in a 7.1 using the JBL Studio 210s as surround backs.
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I run them in a 7.1 using the JBL Studio 210s as surround backs.
Nice, is the center M105 behind the screen? Must sound awesome
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Nice, is the center M105 behind the screen? Must sound awesome
Thanks man. The center m105 is indeed behind the screen.

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Thanks man. The center m105 is indeed behind the screen.
That's pretty much exactly what I want to do eventually. I think having a speaker behind the screen can add a lot more naturalness to the experience and having a smaller speaker can help make that happen. Did you have to cross the center M105 over higher since it's closer to the wall?
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That's pretty much exactly what I want to do eventually. I think having a speaker behind the screen can add a lot more naturalness to the experience and having a smaller speaker can help make that happen. Did you have to cross the center M105 over higher since it's closer to the wall?
No. With the supplied port plugs in place the center m105 is flat to about 60Hz and actually has the smoothest bass response of any of the speakers in the room.

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Looking for opinion on how loud the Revel f208's will go from somebody whoowns them. I currently have Aperion Grand Verus towers with emotivaxpa 100 amps, (250W @8, yes I'm aware this isn't a great amp but it puts outmore power than the receiver I was using) and I'm getting tired of blowing thespeakers. I am thinking about upgrading to Revel F208's with an Emotiva XPR-2amp, 650 W at 8ohms. My concern is the F208's are onlyrated for 350W. I know speakers can handle more power for short periodsof time but I thought I was good for a decade with my aperion speakers so if Ibuy a new set I need to ensure this set can handle my needs. Reviewscontinue to state how loud these speakers go with ease, but I will never beable to demo them, in my house, with my amps so its still a blind guess if theywill work.



I have a depth concern so the 15 inch depth is my absolute max so other godspeaks that can play loud like klipsch and golden ear won’t work.
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I use F208s in a 2-channel system. They have a rated sensitivity of 88.5dB using roughly one watt at one meter. I used a cheap watt-meter showing about one watt at the speaker cables while measuring around 85dB SPL at my listening distance of 8'. The loudest I can tolerate is about 95-98dB average, this while the meter is indicating no more than two watts average. My amp is rated >150 watts. I don't know how loud the F208s will go because it gets painful at a certain point.

The reason to have a high powered amp is not for the average, but to ensure the amp doesn't distort on the waveform peaks, which are many more times the average as far as I know. I think that if you are "blowing" speakers, either you are over-driving the amp to distortion, or your speakers are not robust enough for the SPL you are trying to achieve, or both.

The Revel F208 is easily capable, with enough un-distorted power, to damage my hearing in my moderately sized room. The 350 watt rating of the F208 is actually quite high, but I believe that almost any speaker can be "blown" by any but the lowest power amps (with sufficient input voltage) if the volume control is misused.

The Aperion Verus Grand has a higher sensitivity spec of 92dB (if its correct) than the F208, so should require less wattage for a given SPL, but I have a strong feeling that the F208 is built to handle a lot more power than the Aperion, in spite of what the specs say.

I used to burn out speaker drivers when I was younger by playing them outdoors, because I wasn't hearing high SPLs in the backyard while pouring on the power, so I turned it up. Should have been using PA speakers that are built for that kind of use.
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Home Theater High Fidelity: Revel Performa3 Series 5.1 Speaker System Review


This is an excellent review includes measurements of the F206's, C205 Center, and B110 subwoofer.


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  • Beautiful fit and finish on the cabinetry and small physical footprint
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I use F208s in a 2-channel system. They have a rated sensitivity of 88.5dB using roughly one watt at one meter. I used a cheap watt-meter showing about one watt at the speaker cables while measuring around 85dB SPL at my listening distance of 8'. The loudest I can tolerate is about 95-98dB average, this while the meter is indicating no more than two watts average. My amp is rated >150 watts. I don't know how loud the F208s will go because it gets painful at a certain point.

The reason to have a high powered amp is not for the average, but to ensure the amp doesn't distort on the waveform peaks, which are many more times the average as far as I know. I think that if you are "blowing" speakers, either you are over-driving the amp to distortion, or your speakers are not robust enough for the SPL you are trying to achieve, or both.

The Revel F208 is easily capable, with enough un-distorted power, to damage my hearing in my moderately sized room. The 350 watt rating of the F208 is actually quite high, but I believe that almost any speaker can be "blown" by any but the lowest power amps (with sufficient input voltage) if the volume control is misused.

The Aperion Verus Grand has a higher sensitivity spec of 92dB (if its correct) than the F208, so should require less wattage for a given SPL, but I have a strong feeling that the F208 is built to handle a lot more power than the Aperion, in spite of what the specs say.

I used to burn out speaker drivers when I was younger by playing them outdoors, because I wasn't hearing high SPLs in the backyard while pouring on the power, so I turned it up. Should have been using PA speakers that are built for that kind of use.
I think you are dead on with your statements. I am looking for a higher powered amp because I want to remove it from the equation of, (maybe you amp ran out of power, distorted and that's what blew your speakers). Like you said, I think I need both a higher powered amp and speakers that can handle more than what I have now. I also agree that the revels can probably handle more power than the Aperion's, at least from what I've read about them. Next step will be to head to the dealer and see how loud they'll let me crank them!
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Hey people, I'm building a theater and the company I'm in contact with recommended the f206 for the fronts. Seating will probably be about 16 ft from the screen. Do you feel these speakers are a good choice?
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Hey people, I'm building a theater and the company I'm in contact with recommended the f206 for the fronts. Seating will probably be about 16 ft from the screen. Do you feel these speakers are a good choice?

how large is the room if the seating distance is 16ft?

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Hey people, I'm building a theater and the company I'm in contact with recommended the f206 for the fronts. Seating will probably be about 16 ft from the screen. Do you feel these speakers are a good choice?
They certainly are but if your budget can swing it I'd go for F208s for all 3 speakers.

 

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how large is the room if the seating distance is 16ft?
The room is 17x27 feet.
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They certainly are but if your budget can swing it I'd go for F208s for all 3 speakers.
I guess I'm just concerned that the 88dB sensitivity and 1" tweeter won't be enough SPL for that size room.
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I guess I'm just concerned that the 88dB sensitivity and 1" tweeter won't be enough SPL for that size room.
So do you think maybe 4 inch tweeters would be better?
Buy amplifier(s) suited to the speakers you're driving and the items you mentioned above are irrelevant.
No offense meant, but they're pretty irrelevant anyway.
Most people, myself included calibrate the audio to a reference of 75-85db.
Considering how dynamic lossless surround sound soundtracks are you really don't want the reference any louder unless you like hearing loss or driver loss.

 

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IMO this speakers are more suitable for music ,yes they will sound great for movies but if this is for a dedicated large theater room ,I think that a speaker like jtr are more suitable for large theater rooms.


how loud are you planning to play the movies.
I'll likely play movies below reference. But, I feel for a dedicated theater I should be able to play at reference. If the speaker can't, I'd be worried that they'll start to strain even below that level.
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