Soo... Let me see if I can summarize and wrap my apparently feeble mind around the reasoning provided here so far by DS-21...
2 different manufacturers each sell one component (one a universal player and the other an AVR) by placing other company's products in their own cases and proceeding sell them as their own to an unsupecting public - both at a significant mark up and without any disclosure.
One of these companies is part of a large corporate conglomerate that produces multiple lines of audio products ranging from electronics to speakers and sells them under several brand names. You stated that they have provided the buyer an added value by providing them with higher quality casework, although under somewhat questionable ethics. (thanks for that at least..)
The other company, a much smaller manufacturer that produces only electronic components, is much more harshly condemned for exactly the same offense, including the added value casework - and is described by you as sleazy IP pirates lacking ethics and decency.
(FWIW I believe Ayre used the correct approach when they fully disclosed that their universal player was based on the Oppo unit, and then gave details of what they upgraded/changed for enhanced performance.)
Sorry DS-21.. I just can't do it. Even IF Lexicon paid the appropriate IP lic. fees, (and that's a BIG if unless you can demonstrate otherwise..) I think this was an equally sleazy move by both of these manufacturers, and they both deserve every bit of criticism they got for it.. THAT BEING SAID - I'm not going to discount either's entire lineup on the basis of what appears to be a very poor, but isolated, business decision as you seem to have encouraged a previous poster to do. I'm just guessing the product engineers aren't the ones making the business decisions, and subsequent product reviews seem to indicate that they are both still capable of producing some excellent gear.
Apparently you disagree, and as empirical evidence to substantiate the inferior product quality of Sim gear, provided a review of one of their products that was summarized by the author as follows.."Other than its behavior with the high-frequency intermodulation test, the Simaudio Moon 700i offered respectable measured performance." Only "respectable".. The nerve of those French-Canadian fiends foisting off only "respectably" measuring components on an unsuspecting public!
Of course, in ANY manufacturer's lineup there will be relatively stronger and weaker performers.. I'll take this moment to point out that this manufacturer has also recently produced several award winning components that have provided outstanding measured performance.. http://www.stereophile.com/content/s...r-measurements
. They even sound pretty good too, but what do I know, I only listened to them.
If you want to hate any and all Sim gear that's fine with me. Please though, if you're going to post here at length about how worthless it all is, at least provide some kind of semi-rational reason (you find it ugly, hate the way it sounds, parts aren't exotic enough for you, you're incapable of boning thier parts dealer's spouse.. - nice creativity BTW) instead of this obvious double standard based on an isolated business mistakes and merely "respectable" measurements in one of their components.
You know what - never mind - hate whatever you want for whatever reason you want.. Who am I to judge your reasons. As you stated people make decisions based on a wide variety of factors. Please though, for the greater harmony of the forum and to encourage instead of suppress participation, make an attempt to be a bit more civil, instead of constantly belittling/berating other's personal experience, evaluations, and/or implying that the rest of us are all idiots or deaf. That's not too much to ask is it? You obviously possess at least some useful knowledge, so perhaps you could make at least a token attempt to try to present it in bit more constructive, less openly antagonistic way so we could all benefit. (how's that for PC...)
Unfortunately most of us don't possess your innate special ability to judge the performance of a component without actually listening to it.. Maybe this is how one earns the "AVS special member" designation?
Oh, and at least one thing that we can certainly agree on is that the Lyngdorf unit looks pretty interesting..