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I love substantial low frequency as much as the next guy but I think there's more than a bit of testosterone involved in this.
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Of course, but you make it sound like a bad thing

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Not a bad thing at all.
I've been fortunate to have been in few theater music rooms that rival anything out there, literally.
The bass response in those rooms is nothing short of phenomenal.
If fact, in the Seattle area we have some really nice professional theaters and the sound on those theaters does not compare
to the private theater rooms.
Of course much easier to fill a smaller space.
And as lsdec posted previously, the digital tools available to the consumer were unimaginable not that long ago and now they're pretty much SOP.

Not knocking the bassheads at all, I'm one to a point but as always balance is the most important thing.

 

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Unfortunately, I'm not that much of a DIY guy but that's a great proposition! 4 15" subs for $2k?!! Will they have the same quality bass like the JL Audio F112/113 my buddies have?



The SVS is a very nice sub but my sub isn't like the JLs. And yes they were a fraction of the price but I just want the bass quality to be similar to the Revels. Otherwise, they don't integrate as well.

I just pulled out my old Klipsch Forte II...and as I suspected, they are still awesome for the mixes / electronica music. As a matter of fact they are the best I've ever heard them! I guess my current gear is better than the Yamaha receiver I had back then. Much smoother and none of the blaring from before. It's not as refined as the Revels of course but it's very listenable. This XMC-1/XPR-2 combo is pretty darn special. I've been to enough high end stores looking at those super high end gear..and even the F208 was paired with some high end gear in that "expensive" room next to the studio2. This combo wouldn't be out if place in that room (save the aesthetics) .

My buddy has the XPR-1s and XPR-2 for his system and I contend that the difference between the XPR-1 and XPR-2 is such that I'd use that money toward the 2nd sub etc. I know most purists like the monoblocks idea from years past but I'm not sure if it's as important these days. Of course I'm coming from a high value standpoint though. I'll be using my XPR-2/XPR-5 combo for a while.

Milt99 if you are thinking about bi-amping, I'm not sure if that's the best route. And without comparing them side by side, I'm not sure how the XPA-1L performs vs the XPR-2. If your amp doesn't run out of steam then I think you're ok. I proved that my F208 cried uncle to the XPR-2 . It would be nice to pair those killer speakers with the XPR something imho. 1,2 or 5 based on your needs / budget. This sale they have is pretty attractive, if you are looking to make a move soon.
ISdec,
How are you liking that F208/Emotiva Xpr-2 combo? I'm thinking about migrating to the same setup.
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ISdec,
How are you liking that F208/Emotiva Xpr-2 combo? I'm thinking about migrating to the same setup.
The XMC-1 (with Dirac LE), XPR-2 and F208 (w/ SVS SB13 sub).....I'm very happy with the sound. It sounded really good even before I had the XMC-1 and Dirac but now it's down right unbelievable imho. I can't be happier.

I always thought the SVS sub was just a value sub that was good but not great. Dirac tightened that bass up so much that I have it crossed over at 50Hz to the subs. And I used the port bungs on the F208 to roll off the bass a little higher on the F208 and also to tighten up the bass even more.

Even with no sub, the F208 has great bass. With Dirac it's now better than great.

It's nice to have that reserve power too. The transient response is so sharp and the mids and highs and buttery smooth as well.

I hope I'm not over-hyping it and have you disappointed.
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Is anyone still using F32's for two-channel audio?

I have had a pair for nearly a decade and still enjoy them greatly. I have been powering them with a Musical Fidelity A5 integrated amp for the entire time I've owned them. The A5 has 200w per channel into 8 ohms.

I've never been wild about the amp. While it has its virtues, it also has some deficiencies. So, I am looking for a replacement integrated (that does not have a DAC or digital inputs because I have a great external DAC already). I primarily am seeking a more extended high end and better PRaT, as the Brits call it. (In other words, I really want cymbals to sing the way they do in the real world.)

I have my eyes on the Bryston B135 SST2, which has "only" 135 watts per side. Have any of you tried this particular amp and speaker combo? If not, have you tried F32s with 135 watts or less and, if so, did this adversely affect the F32's ability to reproduce music?

Any information gratefully received! Thanks.
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Is anyone still using F32's for two-channel audio?

I have had a pair for nearly a decade and still enjoy them greatly. I have been powering them with a Musical Fidelity A5 integrated amp for the entire time I've owned them. The A5 has 200w per channel into 8 ohms.

I've never been wild about the amp. While it has its virtues, it also has some deficiencies. So, I am looking for a replacement integrated (that does not have a DAC or digital inputs because I have a great external DAC already). I primarily am seeking a more extended high end and better PRaT, as the Brits call it. (In other words, I really want cymbals to sing the way they do in the real world.)

I have my eyes on the Bryston B135 SST2, which has "only" 135 watts per side. Have any of you tried this particular amp and speaker combo? If not, have you tried F32s with 135 watts or less and, if so, did this adversely affect the F32's ability to reproduce music?

Any information gratefully received! Thanks.

Bryston makes really nice equipment. I use several 4BSST2's to drive Salon2's, a Voice2 plus some other speakers. Based on how I listen to music and watch TV I would estimate, based on volume settings, that 135 watts would easily drive the Salon2's, which aren't all that easy to drive. The 4BSST2's output of 300 watts at 8 ohms is only about 4 dB more that 135 watts.

That said; I happen to like the 4BSST2 the best of Bryston's amps. To me it is the sweet spot; bigger and more of everything. It lists for $5k, the B135 with remote lists for $5k. If you don't mind a little clutter you could go for say an Emotiva XSP-1 preamp for $1k and you would have something really nice for $6k. I've only read about the Emotiva unit, and looked at the circuit boards and parts used, but it looks like a really nice unit at a low cost with a five year warranty. Clearly there a lots of other preamps choices, new and used, but typically for more money. Using a preamp gives you the flexibility that's provided by separates - yes, you can separate the pre and amp of the B135, but why?
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Bryston makes really nice equipment. I use several 4BSST2's to drive Salon2's, a Voice2 plus some other speakers. Based on how I listen to music and watch TV I would estimate, based on volume settings, that 135 watts would easily drive the Salon2's, which aren't all that easy to drive. The 4BSST2's output of 300 watts at 8 ohms is only about 4 dB more that 135 watts.

That said; I happen to like the 4BSST2 the best of Bryston's amps. To me it is the sweet spot; bigger and more of everything. It lists for $5k, the B135 with remote lists for $5k. If you don't mind a little clutter you could go for say an Emotiva XSP-1 preamp for $1k and you would have something really nice for $6k. I've only read about the Emotiva unit, and looked at the circuit boards and parts used, but it looks like a really nice unit at a low cost with a five year warranty. Clearly there a lots of other preamps choices, new and used, but typically for more money. Using a preamp gives you the flexibility that's provided by separates - yes, you can separate the pre and amp of the B135, but why?
Funny you should mention an Emotiva preamp, as I happen to own an earlier model that I use in a small system at a vacation home. It's nice, but the system there isn't really high resolution enough for me to get much of a feeling for how good a unit it is. It's been trouble-free, however, and I have no complaints about it. If I were going to use separates, I'd consider its successor for the pre.

In my home system, however, I simply do not have room in my existing cabinet for anything other than an integrated and there's no chance my wife is going to allow me to change that cabinet, as its appearance was an item of long-term negotiation. Besides, I really like integrateds -- smaller signal path, the economies of a single chassis, one less expensive power cord and expensive set of interconnects to buy and manage -- so I mostly would like to find an integrated that has the virtues missing from the A5 and that doesn't substitute other failings for the A5's.

Thank you for the suggestion. I appreciate the thought about the 4BSSST2, which, by all accounts, seems to be a serious contender for the attention of those who can use separates.

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F206 and The Grand Verus..They look like the same cabinet.. The Revel's cabinet ,I'm sure is much better quality. I've had the Aperions and didn't like the grill or the hard plastic going around the front of the speaker.
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Is anyone still using F32's for two-channel audio?

I have had a pair for nearly a decade and still enjoy them greatly. I have been powering them with a Musical Fidelity A5 integrated amp for the entire time I've owned them. The A5 has 200w per channel into 8 ohms.

I've never been wild about the amp. While it has its virtues, it also has some deficiencies. So, I am looking for a replacement integrated (that does not have a DAC or digital inputs because I have a great external DAC already). I primarily am seeking a more extended high end and better PRaT, as the Brits call it. (In other words, I really want cymbals to sing the way they do in the real world.)

I have my eyes on the Bryston B135 SST2, which has "only" 135 watts per side. Have any of you tried this particular amp and speaker combo? If not, have you tried F32s with 135 watts or less and, if so, did this adversely affect the F32's ability to reproduce music?

Any information gratefully received! Thanks.
I don't know about the F32, but Musical Fidelity, from what I gather, isn't half bad in the latest incarnation either. So, M6si might be good. Though, it has an USB input it probably isn't a big money sink in the unit.
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I don't know about the F32, but Musical Fidelity, from what I gather, isn't half bad in the latest incarnation either. So, M6si might be good. Though, it has an USB input it probably isn't a big money sink in the unit.
Thank you for the suggestion!
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