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post #7711 of 7738 Old 04-22-2015, 02:12 PM
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Hi all:

I recently purchased F208s and I am looking to rebuild a 5.1 system. This time around, I am looking for a more musical setup. I've had many av receivers, the last being a NAD 787 and I have never been fully happy with the music side of things. I have also had separates like Rotel and Parasound processors and multi-channel amps and was not fully happy either.

So, I was thinking of going with an integrated stereo amp with a hometheater bypass to an AV receiver. My one hang up is having different amps powering the L/R and whether or not this will affect 5.1 sound. I will use the C208 and M105 or the bipolar surrounds.

Primare I32 with a Pioneer Elite - sticking to all Class D amplification.
Hegel H160 with some AV receiver - Marantz perhaps
Simaudio Moon Neo 340i with some AV receiver.

Thanks!
I've been using different amps for years in a MC setup.
And my mains are different than my center/surrounds and still not a problem...perfect sonic match.
imo, Parasound should mate well with Revels as they do with JBLs, Infinity. So I don't see why you have had problems with your setups.
I don't know that Class D will be an improvement.

The need for bi/dipolar surrounds went out with DPL..with digital, discrete channels monopole are better. imo

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Thanks - I will take a look.
I have the XMC-1 w the XPR-2 and XPR-5 driving my F208/C208/F12. It sounds great!
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Here are some pictures of the big upgrades I did by adding an all Revel Performa3 11 channel theatre, with 2 Paradigm Reference Studio Sub15's. Sounds amazing. We also upgraded our seating in the front row to now include a couch with reclining leg rests, because mom wanted more family cuddle time and the individual theatre seats did not allow. I miss the cup holders most of all.















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F-206 Wides L/R
M-105 Heights L/R
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Very impressive! I can only imagine, having just a single pair of F208s myself.
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Very impressive! I can only imagine, having just a single pair of F208s myself.
Thank you.

Very happy with the results.
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I had a chance to buy some Revel In-wall and In-ceiling speakers at huge discount from ebay. I bought the C536 and W536. These speakers seem to be basically the same as the Revel C363, W363 and C763 and W763, just with the addition of additional features but woofer and tweeter the same. I listened to them just out of the box and installing it on some drywall sheets as practice. I haven’t put them in the wall yet. My original speakers are NHT SuperOne and SuperZero for 5.1, with a Velodyne VX-11 subwoofer. I have a hard time finding reviews for in-walls and want anyone to be able to google the Revel’s and actually get someone’s opinion that has them and compare them with the highly rated and inexpensive NHT’s.

Revel Speakers $350 MSRP:

Pros
- The dialog and sfx seems to pop at you. I can understand them much more clearly then the NHT’s and play louder with less amp. Rated at 88 dB sensitivity vs 86 dB for NHT.
- Excellent quality at low and medium volume. I am happy listening to movies and music at 60db or less range (using my iPhone db program to measure the volume). NHT’s I have to up them to at least 70db+ range.

Cons
- The speakers seem to have some sibilance. Meaning the voices seems to have a hissing effect at the end of the word. It is worse in poor or old quality material, such as radio, tv. It is much less on Bluray.
- When I listened to the music for Transformers: Age of Extinction on Apple TV, it sounds very different than my car speakers, headphones, earphones, NHT speakers, etc. Just not as “full” as the others. It seems the frequency response on the speakers is probably off in some areas. This doesn’t apply to all types of music, just some. Although music with dialogue is excellent.

NHT Speakers $99 and $125 MSRP:

Pros
- Excellent dynamics, detail, soundstage, and imaging, when playing at loud volume.
- Has no sibilance on any material, and I’ve had them for 15 years in various homes/apartments, distance, configuration, stands, walls, etc. and excellent.

Cons
- Horrible and thin sounding with low and medium volume. Cannot understand the dialogue that good and so have to crank it up which upsets my wife and now I have 2 kids (toddler and baby) so can only do that when they are not there.

Conclusion:

Frist, those NHT’s are awesome if you want to play them loud and are super cheap. The Revel inwall/inceiling isn’t as good at the same loud volume but doesn’t mean it is bad. If the NHT gets 10 at high volume, then I will give the Revel a 8ish. However, at low/moderate volume, I give the Revels a 10 and the NHT a 4ish range. Since 95% of my time is listening at low to moderate volume, I prefer the Revel’s.
I’m going to try to the on-walls next, if I can get a good deal on ebay because I think paying MSRP for any speaker is crazy unless you have a lot of disposable income. And I got the revel’s for about $125 each.
If I notice a difference in quality after I install the Revel’s in my wall/ceiling, I will update my review.
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Revel Performa3
F-208 Front L/R
C-208 Center
F-206 Wides L/R
M-105 Heights L/R
S-206 Surround L/R
S-206 Surround Back L/R

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Love it so far
Still gotta find me some of those Canadian isolation feet...
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Still gotta find me some of those Canadian isolation feet...
What can I say? Lol

We love our hockey, and it works so well for nearly nothing invested in the price of a "bucket 'O pucks"

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Does anyone happen to know if there are fake Revel's out there.

I just bought my 3rd Revel in-ceiling/in-wall speaker on Ebay. I paid $70 for the old model, C560, which is the same as the newer C563 model except for the brackets to grasp the ceiling. $70 is a lot cheaper than $350. This is listed as "new other", which I'm assuming is excessive stock or someone who returned it but never used it. I also got the C563 for $150 and it was worth $350. Since I have never heard them before, I can't compare them to anything and I'm assuming they are legit. Box, manual, etc. all look good to me. It even sounds pretty good, similar sound signature (bright) like the Harman Kardon Soundsticks I have.
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Dealer recommended 5.1 - Thoughts Please

Hi Everyone:

I am trying to configure a 5.1 system based off my f208. a job change put me in the city and I am now in an apartment. The space is 15X 12 with the main speakers on the 12 foot wall. The right side opens to the kitchen. The couch is against the back wall, but I moved up about a foot so I can get surrounds there.

The dealer I visited locally recommended this:

C208 center
S12 surrounds - save $1000 vs. S206

Hegel 160 integrated for mains - my request as I want a high end integrated with DAC for 2 channel. This is still debatable.

Marantz S5009 or Anthem 510 since Hegel will run mains at 150 watts per channel.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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I would strongly suggest that if you go with an integrated that you audition the new Krell Vanguard Integrated amplifier. It's among the most digitally savvy integrated amps out on the market. It also has HDMI and network support. The preamp and amplification are impeccable.

Between the marantz and anthem I would choose the Anthem primarily because of ARC. I find ARC to be a better product than Audyssey. Double check the Marantz. Normally they give you a lower edition and if you want more filters and measurement positions you need to upgrade to Audyssey pro at extra cost. Anthem has none of that and you get the full product with a high end calibrated mic.

I personally use an Anthem AVM50v with my Revel setup.
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I would strongly suggest that if you go with an integrated that you audition the new Krell Vanguard Integrated amplifier. It's among the most digitally savvy integrated amps out on the market. It also has HDMI and network support. The preamp and amplification are impeccable.

Between the marantz and anthem I would choose the Anthem primarily because of ARC. I find ARC to be a better product than Audyssey. Double check the Marantz. Normally they give you a lower edition and if you want more filters and measurement positions you need to upgrade to Audyssey pro at extra cost. Anthem has none of that and you get the full product with a high end calibrated mic.

I personally use an Anthem AVM50v with my Revel setup.
Thanks, I will check out the Krell.

Any thoughts on the surrounds?
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Thanks, I will check out the Krell.

Any thoughts on the surrounds?
The S12 is a good speaker. My favorite surround is the Performa S30 because it allowed you to run the speaker into monopole or dipole mode. I don't believe that the S12 allows you to do that. If your seating is close to the rear wall where the surrounds will be, you may do better with the S12s but it's really a toss-up. If it's going to save you $1,000 then I'd jump at the S12s personally. You're better off investing that $1,000 in better electronics.

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Here are some pictures of the big upgrades I did by adding an all Revel Performa3 11 channel theatre, with 2 Paradigm Reference Studio Sub15's. Sounds amazing. We also upgraded our seating in the front row to now include a couch with reclining leg rests, because mom wanted more family cuddle time and the individual theatre seats did not allow. I miss the cup holders most of all.















Revel Performa3
F-208 Front L/R
C-208 Center
F-206 Wides L/R
M-105 Heights L/R
S-206 Surround L/R
S-206 Surround Back L/R

Paradigm
Reference Studio Sub15's

Love it so far
If you stop posting about your room, I wont look for you. But if you dont, I will look for you. I will find you. And I will never leave this room.

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I am comparing the kef R500 to the revel m106, then I will have the revel 206 as well that will be a better match for the kef R500. Let you all know how I get on when I am finished.
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I have the itch to upgrade my system to Ultima 2's.

So, I am hoping to find a buyer for my complete Revel Ultima1 system: Salon's, Studios, and Voice.

It is listed in the classifieds here:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-au...o-s-voice.html

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Hey all,

I posted this question in a thread I started about a week ago, but I realized that now that I've settled on Revel speakers, this may the more appropriate thread.

I've recently decided on a pair of performa3 f208's, and I'd like suggestions on amp pairings. When I auditioned the speakers at the dealer, they were hooked up to ML #33H 's (maybe 53's), and I loved the way they sounded. Unfortunately, I don't have near the budget to afford those.

Given a budget of $2500, what amps would you all suggest? I'm not opposed to used. I've looked a good deal into the parasound a21, but aside from that, I'm open to any and all suggestions.
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I use the a pair of A21's with my Salons and my brother-in-law used an A21 for his F206's. They are a fantastic match.

I purchased a new Voice2 so naturally, U have all new Revel Salon2's, Studio2's on order
My Revels are all in the classifieds now. Although, I have no idea how to ship the Studio and Salons.

Does anyone have recommendations for shipping Studios, Salons or other very heavy speakers?

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Hey all,

I posted this question in a thread I started about a week ago, but I realized that now that I've settled on Revel speakers, this may the more appropriate thread.

I've recently decided on a pair of performa3 f208's, and I'd like suggestions on amp pairings. When I auditioned the speakers at the dealer, they were hooked up to ML #33H 's (maybe 53's), and I loved the way they sounded. Unfortunately, I don't have near the budget to afford those.

Given a budget of $2500, what amps would you all suggest? I'm not opposed to used. I've looked a good deal into the parasound a21, but aside from that, I'm open to any and all suggestions.
My setup is strictly 2-ch. I had the Parasound A21 and after comparing it to a Pass Labs XA30.5, it was obvious to me which one made my F208s sing. I sold the A21. You may be able to get a used XA30.5 used around your budget.
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My setup is strictly 2-ch. I had the Parasound A21 and after comparing it to a Pass Labs XA30.5, it was obvious to me which one made my F208s sing. I sold the A21. You may be able to get a used XA30.5 used around your budget.
The XA30.5 works well even though revel lists minimum amplification 50? I'll keep my eyes open on audiogon for one.
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The XA30.5 works well even though revel lists minimum amplification 50? I'll keep my eyes open on audiogon for one.
Keep in mind, although the XA30.5 is listed as 30 watts in Class A, Stereophile had measured it goes to 130 watts before hitting 1% distortion. This was a non-issue when I compared to the A21 since sound quality was the primary factor I was after.
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Keep in mind, although the XA30.5 is listed as 30 watts in Class A, Stereophile had measured it goes to 130 watts before hitting 1% distortion. This was a non-issue when I compared to the A21 since sound quality was the primary factor I was after.
Thanks for the response! I've since read a boat load of reviews on the xa30.5 and it looks to be universally adored. I'm definitely going to keep my eyes open to get one!
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Hey all,

I posted this question in a thread I started about a week ago, but I realized that now that I've settled on Revel speakers, this may the more appropriate thread.

I've recently decided on a pair of performa3 f208's, and I'd like suggestions on amp pairings. When I auditioned the speakers at the dealer, they were hooked up to ML #33H 's (maybe 53's), and I loved the way they sounded. Unfortunately, I don't have near the budget to afford those.

Given a budget of $2500, what amps would you all suggest? I'm not opposed to used. I've looked a good deal into the parasound a21, but aside from that, I'm open to any and all suggestions.
I had the Levinson 533h for my f208's and I foolishly sold them thinking I had spent too much. It's been 7 months and I've been through multiple amps including the A21 and I simply cannot replicate the beautiful symmetry that the Revel and ML have. However, I for one would not recommend the A21 with the F208's.
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I had the Levinson 533h for my f208's and I foolishly sold them thinking I had spent too much. It's been 7 months and I've been through multiple amps including the A21 and I simply cannot replicate the beautiful symmetry that the Revel and ML have. However, I for one would not recommend the A21 with the F208's.
?? Saying you might prefer a different amp synergy is one thing but saying the A21 is not a good match is a bit surprising.
Edit: Lucky the "all amps sound the same [within their constraints]" crowd hasn't latched on to this.

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I can only relate what I heard. I really thought that amps were just amps until I started experimenting. In my system (Av8801) the A21 sounded veiled, lacking detail. However they were a lot better than the ATI 6005 which I found bright and fatiguing. The JC1 was much better fit however 3 of them would cost as much as the ML's, not to mention you could fry an egg on it under load.

Anyway my quest to get the best out of the F208's continues. I now have a Classe CA5300 but I'm waiting on an SSP to evaluate.
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I had the Levinson 533h for my f208's and I foolishly sold them thinking I had spent too much. It's been 7 months and I've been through multiple amps including the A21 and I simply cannot replicate the beautiful symmetry that the Revel and ML have. However, I for one would not recommend the A21 with the F208's.
I appreciate the insight. There are so many differing opinions out there and it's nice to hear from someone who has had experience with both brand sounds.
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To this day I still prefer the M20s to all of the replacements that have come along. Is there something different about the M20 design that might explain why it sounds better?
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