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post #8701 of 8729 Old 08-18-2016, 10:21 AM
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For reference, Kevin Voecks at Revel recommends a solid 150 wpc for the F208s. That typically means a separate amp rated at 150 watts per, not a 9 channel receiver that is supposedly rated at that power yet drops WAY below that all channels driven.

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For reference, Kevin Voecks at Revel recommends a solid 150 wpc for the F208s. That typically means a separate amp rated at 150 watts per, not a 9 channel receiver that is supposedly rated at that power yet drops WAY below that all channels driven.
I tried running the F208's with my Marantz, but it was running over 100 degrees. When I added the Emotiva, the temperature of the Marantz went down 15 degrees. For the record, I couldn't tell a difference in sound quality between either amp.

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I am going to get the F208's and I've been working with John who has been great. The recommended amplification is 50-350w. You say they are "power suckers," what is the minimum amount of power you would recommend to get great performance? I was looking at an amp that would give 275w to each tower and the center. Do you think that's enough power for the F208?
I use an Emotiva 2 ch amp.rated 300 w/ch. Before the Emotiva I have been using and old 6550 HK amp rated 175 w/ch.
Now I feel more confident and secure that the amp is not going to start cliping and may damage the F208s.
275 is plenty, congrats and enjoy. Keep us posted when the F208 arrive home.
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I tried running the F208's with my Marantz, but it was running over 100 degrees. When I added the Emotiva, the temperature of the Marantz went down 15 degrees. For the record, I couldn't tell a difference in sound quality between either amp.
You would likely see the same results with the Marantz regardless of the brand of speakers.
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Here's a first look at my custom cabinet. Nothing on the market can house the C208 so I had to go custom. Thankfully I have a handy brother-in-law.
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Here's a first look at my custom cabinet. Nothing on the market can house the C208 so I had to go custom. Thankfully I have a handy brother-in-law.


Looking good! I was finally able to pick up the cabinet I had built out of a bunch of 15y/o walnut my folks had sitting around. Soft closing hardware on everything, walnut veneer all inside the center channel shelf, hidden wheels, lots of ventilation, wire runs, tinted glass. Really happy with how it turned out, the guy did a great job. Shelves aren't in it now as I'm not going to bother setting it up until after we move next month. It's already killing me! Fwiw, the pics suck due to my phone and really bad lighting which don't do it justice.






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What are the dimensions of your cabinet? How big is that center opening?

I think it looks really nice. You'll have to post another pic once all your gear is in it. My guess is that I'm 2-3 weeks behind you.
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What are the dimensions of your cabinet? How big is that center opening?



I think it looks really nice. You'll have to post another pic once all your gear is in it. My guess is that I'm 2-3 weeks behind you.


84 X 24.5 X 28.5"
Center shelf is 38 X 12"

Thanks! I'll definitely post another pick once all set up, can't wait to see it myself. The center shelf is way bigger than my current center, but I wanted a space big enough to fit most any center I may change to in the future.


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Does anyone know if any forum members in Southern California that own the Salon2's that might be willing to give a demo? I've exhausted my dealer search between LA and San Diego, these speakers are impossible to audition.

"Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me" -Vizzini
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Does anyone know if any forum members in Southern California that own the Salon2's that might be willing to give a demo? I've exhausted my dealer search between LA and San Diego, these speakers are impossible to audition.
I know of a guy.

I'm currently remodeling and reconfiguring my system, but you're welcome to come give it a listen in its current state if you'd like.
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84 X 24.5 X 28.5"
Center shelf is 38 X 12"

Thanks! I'll definitely post another pick once all set up, can't wait to see it myself. The center shelf is way bigger than my current center, but I wanted a space big enough to fit most any center I may change to in the future.


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Wow! That's big. It doesn't really look that big in the photos but will give you ton of the flexibility in the future. Mine should end up around 72" L x 23" H x 23" D with a center cabinet of 31"L x 13" H x 21" D.

Do you plan on using the feet to tilt the C208 upwards or are you going to have it flat?
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Wow! That's big. It doesn't really look that big in the photos but will give you ton of the flexibility in the future. Mine should end up around 72" L x 23" H x 23" D with a center cabinet of 31"L x 13" H x 21" D.



Do you plan on using the feet to tilt the C208 upwards or are you going to have it flat?


That's not small either! You should be in good shape for practically anything too.
I'll be angling up my current center, maybe get a couple of those adjustable stands since I'll have room to spare. No revels here, I use a 7.2 monitor audio rx setup. Will likely change one day when funds allow. I've only heard revels once. Listened to the 208s at the only local dealer they have. They sell revel but their primary business is window blind automation. The three speaker displays are literally set up in three different cubicles along one wall of their strip mall suite. They sounded decent, but to say their demo area was deficient would be a huge understatement. I'd have to find somewhere else to audition before plunking down that kind of cash. I may wait until after the new year when we're settled in the new house and then get an in home trial of the ascend sierra towers with the raal tweeter while looking for a different revel dealer. Wish I could just find local owners of each that'd let me hear them.


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I know of a guy.

I'm currently remodeling and reconfiguring my system, but you're welcome to come give it a listen in its current state if you'd like.
That would be amazing, thanks so much! I'll PM you
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So surprising you can't find a dealer with Salon2s in the LA / San Diego area. But so glad that @duc135 has stepped forth - you owe it to yourself to hear them!

Sometimes a dealer can arrange a demo for you at the Harman facility in Northridge. Such a demo is nothing to be taken lightly, though, as it requires the Harman guys to take some time away from their regular work schedule working on these speakers we love so much

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We know the reason why most Revel dealers won't put Salon 2's in their showroom but it's unfortunate that those customers who are interested in purchasing them are unable to demo them.

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A shortage of demos for Salon2s is unfortunate. There was next to no chance I would get them until repeated listenings convinced me that they were for me. Other brands played the notes, Salon2s played the music.
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I'm not sure why Harman "short changes" their sales by not making them available. I couldn't find any dealer in the Orange County/LA area to audition the 208's. I happened to be in SF and there was a dealer there who had them on display. After reading some glowing reviews, I almost gave up. I sought them out, but Harman doesn't make it easy!

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I'm not sure why Harman "short changes" their sales by not making them available. I couldn't find any dealer in the Orange County/LA area to audition the 208's. I happened to be in SF and there was a dealer there who had them on display. After reading some glowing reviews, I almost gave up. I sought them out, but Harman doesn't make it easy!
That's exactly the reason I had to buy my F36 speakers w/o audition. Some dealers are more interested to sell other brands. I ended up getting mine from John S. Harman should make their dealers to carry at least 1 model for each line as a requirement.
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I'm not sure why Harman "short changes" their sales by not making them available. I couldn't find any dealer in the Orange County/LA area to audition the 208's. I happened to be in SF and there was a dealer there who had them on display. After reading some glowing reviews, I almost gave up. I sought them out, but Harman doesn't make it easy!
Agree as well --Would expect them to have a much larger sales presence so close to their main facilities. This should be home court and they are almost nowhere to be found.
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I'm having the same issue trying to demo the Performa 3 F208's in Las Vegas. I did manage to hear most of the Revel line at The Show Newport in June but they did not have the 208's, I did hear all the rest of the line. Looking like I will be getting the 208's without an actual demo. However having heard the 206's and the rest of the line I am convinced that Revel is the speaker for me. I will also be using Revel in wall for surrounds and in ceiling for Atmos. I'm not as concerned about the surrounds and ceilings as they are effects speakers only, my priority is the front three. My budget puts me in the F208 category.
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I'm not sure why Harman "short changes" their sales by not making them available. I couldn't find any dealer in the Orange County/LA area to audition the 208's. I happened to be in SF and there was a dealer there who had them on display. After reading some glowing reviews, I almost gave up. I sought them out, but Harman doesn't make it easy!
I don't think Harman is short-changing the dealers, it must be dealers unwilling to bring them in. So few dealers understand the Revel story, in my experience. That's really too bad, IMO.

I am checking to see what I can find out about dealers in your area, in fact California in general. My demo F208s are unfortunately about a 15 hour drive away...

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I don't think Harman is short-changing the dealers, it must be dealers unwilling to bring them in. So few dealers understand the Revel story, in my experience. That's really too bad, IMO.

I am checking to see what I can find out about dealers in your area, in fact California in general. My demo F208s are unfortunately about a 15 hour drive away...
Or about a two and a half hour flight from Las Vegas.
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I don't think Harman is short-changing the dealers, it must be dealers unwilling to bring them in. So few dealers understand the Revel story, in my experience. That's really too bad, IMO.

I am checking to see what I can find out about dealers in your area, in fact California in general. My demo F208s are unfortunately about a 15 hour drive away...
Is it the chicken or the egg?! I agree that dealers probably don't want "eat" the costs on a demo pair, but seriously, for such an amazing speaker at the $4-5,000 level, why is Harman not at least loaning a pair to say 2 or 3 dealers in a major market like So Cal?

If they think lack of availability to audition is creating some sort of demand (like Beanie Babies?!), they are mistaken. I nearly gave up; who wants to purchase a speaker they've never heard?! Crazy thing is I purchased my pair from Wilshire Home Entertainment in Thousand Oaks (who had NO display models) after auditioning them from another dealer in SF.

It's a mystery....

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Is it the chicken or the egg?! I agree that dealers probably don't want "eat" the costs on a demo pair, but seriously, for such an amazing speaker at the $4-5,000 level, why is Harman not at least loaning a pair to say 2 or 3 dealers in a major market like So Cal?

If they think lack of availability to audition is creating some sort of demand (like Beanie Babies?!), they are mistaken. I nearly gave up; who wants to purchase a speaker they've never heard?! Crazy thing is I purchased my pair from Wilshire Home Entertainment in Thousand Oaks (who had NO display models) after auditioning them from another dealer in SF.

It's a mystery....
IMHO, you can't put this on Harmon. AFAIK, no manufacturer gives dealers demo speakers (or other equipment for that matter); making demo equipment available for customers is supposed to be part of the cost of running a brick and mortar store. It's one of the reasons why people have always been encouraged to give the local brick and mortar store their business instead of hunting for the best deal online because the local dealer is supposed to have a lot of money tied up running the store. The problem is that fewer and fewer dealers have one of each product on hand for demos; presumably because there just isn't enough business to justify the cost. The problem is the same here in the Boston area where it's often difficult to track down a dealer who carries the brand you're interested in AND has the specific product you're interested in available for a demo. I've pretty much given up on giving the local brick and mortar stores my business as the level of service most of them provides is inferior to the other dealers I've dealt with recently, the prices are higher, and so on. The local Focal dealer didn't have my back when Focal screwed up a custom finish order TWICE - I had to really raise a stink to get them to do something about it other than suggesting that it was close enough that I should just live with it (um, not when they charge a 20% premium for the custom finish); I most likely won't buy from them again despite having dealt giving them a ton of business in the past. I've refused to do business with one of the local Revel dealers for years because they treated me poorly on my last few purchases and the other one doesn't have the products I was interested in available for demo. Contrast that with guys like SteveH and John Schuermann who bend over backwards to help people out, even if there isn't a sale involved.

My feeling is that people should make a reasonable effort to give the local brick and mortar store a chance to get your business. If they treat you poorly, don't have what you want available for demo, or are unwilling to give you a reasonable discount (don't expect the same discount you'll get from guys like Steve and John, but I do believe it's reasonable to expect better than 10% off), give SteveH and/or John a call (the AVS guys are really good to work with too, but they don't sell Revel).
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My feeling is that people should make a reasonable effort to give the local brick and mortar store a chance to get your business. If they treat you poorly, don't have what you want available for demo, or are unwilling to give you a reasonable discount (don't expect the same discount you'll get from guys like Steve and John, but I do believe it's reasonable to expect better than 10% off), give SteveH and/or John a call (the AVS guys are really good to work with too, but they don't sell Revel).

Did you buy the Salon2's without an audition?
I think I got to see and hear yours before buying the Salon2's but the Voice2 and Studio2's were bought without audition.


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As gsr mentioned above, I don't know of any manufacturers that "loan out" demo models. Some thoughts:

Box speakers don't sell anywhere near the numbers they used to - speakers that "disappear" are all the rage right now, and have been for a while. We sell quite a few box speakers, but then again, we cater to an enthusiast crowd Most speaker sales these days are in-walls or on-walls.

Brad and I have been involved in home theater sales and design since the late 80s in various capacities - as salespeople on a retail sales floor, as manufacturer reps, as a VP of sales and marketing for Panamorph, and as industry consultants. Our experience is that the vast majority of salespeople, especially in the retail environment, are just lazy. Not lazy in terms of sitting around on their behinds, but lazy in terms of digging into the details of a product and learning for themselves what is important and what is not. It's so much easier to sell Polk or Klipsch or Paradigm because the customer has heard of them - a simple sale.

The main objection we get from customers re: Revel is "I've never heard of them." To us, that's an easy objection to overcome as we find the Revel story genuinely compelling. It's the closest we can come to offering a product that is objectively better than the competition. But one has to understand why things like double blind listening tests and all the R&D Harman does are important.

One of the things that just amazed Brad and I was our experience at Harman Academy. We are in a room with about 20 other dealers, and people like Floyd Toole and Kevin Voecks and Sean Olive are standing in the front of the room either talking or demoing product. Brad and I are on the edge of our seats. Many of the other dealers are looking at their smart phones.

Tells you something.

But this is not an indictment of Revel or Harman dealers at all - I experienced the same thing traveling the world training dealers on anamorphic lenses and aspect ratios, essentially explaining why there are black bars on movies (this was when I was with Panamorph). What were most of the dealers doing? Checking their smart phones. And I happen to think I am a pretty entertaining public speaker
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Yes, I bought them based on how awesome your original Salons were with the assumption that the 2's would be even better.

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I think I got to see and hear yours before buying the Salon2's but the Voice2 and Studio2's were bought without audition.
Yes, you heard my Salon2's before you ordered yours. I had my Voice2 at the time, but I don't think you had a chance to listen to it.
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Yes, I bought them based on how awesome your original Salons were with the assumption that the 2's would be even better.


Yes, you heard my Salon2's before you ordered yours. I had my Voice2 at the time, but I don't think you had a chance to listen to it.
I also bought the Voice2 without an audition. Wasn't at all concerned, I've always liked the C52 so it was like i'll just go all the way. Same again with the C208, no audition necessary.
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I'm having the same issue trying to demo the Performa 3 F208's in Las Vegas. I did manage to hear most of the Revel line at The Show Newport in June but they did not have the 208's, I did hear all the rest of the line. Looking like I will be getting the 208's without an actual demo. However having heard the 206's and the rest of the line I am convinced that Revel is the speaker for me. I will also be using Revel in wall for surrounds and in ceiling for Atmos. I'm not as concerned about the surrounds and ceilings as they are effects speakers only, my priority is the front three. My budget puts me in the F208 category.
You won't be disappointed. I have the F208 in 2 ch system with PS Perfectwave DAC II and Pass Labs XA30.5 and loving it everyday.
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