Originally Posted by bigguyca
I also have Salon2's. I use them without assistance for two channel music. My room is similar in size to your room. It has double drywall on 2x6 double walls so not much sound gets out of the room. I can't imagine that the Salon's need help in the bass for most music, but that is your call in your installation. I listen to a lot of piano music so it's nice to have response in the mid 20Hz's but the Salon's provide that. I didn't pursue the Rhythms because the equalization process appeared to take quite some time and I make changes on a regular basis - it's a hobby!
Response to the lowest note on the piano is important even though the lowest keys are rarely used. If you have access to a grand piano play a middle C or A above that. With a clean finger touch or even just watch the stings down to the lowest note and they all vibrate when a higher note is hit. The impact of the hammer hitting the string is more like a pulse and a wide range of frequencies is generated. This initial impact determines the sound of the piano. Eliminate initial sounds from instruments and it is much hard to tell them apart, anyway...
For movies I also use a Voice2 which I would highly recommend, plus some surround speakers on the walls. I supplement the bass in movies with four 12"s sealed subwoofers that I built. The Salon's run full range. Audyssey manages the subs.
I'm considering a couple of the new SVS 16" units - vented, mainly because I like to try new, promising products. I wouldn't plan to use them for music because I don't see that they are needed. If I did use them, and hey if I owned them I'm sure I'd try, I'd use SVS's recommendation for Salon2's in general which is a crossover to the sub at 40Hz with the Salon2's running full range. Our ears are so insensitive at 40Hz and below that I doubt a little added output would be noticed and likely would be appreciated if it were noticeable. Likely I'll wait 3 to 6 months to get the SVS's because new products, even from good companies, often have problems and life is to short to mess with unneeded problems.
I acquired the Salon 2s thinking a sub would be unnecessary. For classical music, which is about 20% of my listening, it probably isn't. Tympani is solid and tuneful, for example. For popular music and rock I sometimes think I'd like more foundation, and when I do watch movies with a lot of LF content, I certainly understand that a little more reinforcement down low might be fun. It surely isn't necessary for acoustic music. I do appreciate your comments about the harmonics in the piano. In that case, the lower strings are acting like drones but I don't know that a sub would add much that the Salon 2s don't already provide in that case. Multi-tracked studio recordings and certain modern forms might be another story.
I often wish I'd built the room (especially in respect to the floor) but it was existing in the house. Overall it's not a bad job, the dimensions work well and the system sounds terrific in general. The prior owners used it as a dedicated theater room and set it up as such although I use it with the speakers off the short wall and they had it set up for 5.1 using the long wall for their screen. The isolation between adjacent rooms is adequate but the floor seems a little "soft" if you know what I mean. Sound (especially bass) transmits down through the floor into the room below more than it does horizontally. Not really a surprise, but there's not much I can do about that at this point. You don't feel flexing when you walk on it and footfalls aren't heard downstairs, but you do feel what seems to be a lot of energy through the floor when the speakers hit low frequencies. I believe it is wasted energy. Adding isolation footers to the speakers might be an option but seems like it could be a bandaid. Buying something like Stillpoints really isn't in my wheelhouse and for that money, I'd as soon add subs.
I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the JLs when the SVS subs were announced a couple of days ago and they look promising just as you say. I rarely ask these sorts of questions because I fancy I have the ability to sort this stuff out for myself, but this one's a poser for me as I don't have any experience adding subs in home systems although I have ample experience with them in large scale PA. I might not have come to this on my own, but even Kevin Voecks is a proponent of multiple subs with the Salon 2s. And that's why I asked.
Originally Posted by MUDCAT45
You must know a real dummy. He should thank you for asking all those questions for him.
We likely do not live too far apart in Nashville.
East Nashville. The guy I'm talking about has been called a dummy by some respectable people from time to time, probably for good reasons. He's not so dumb that he's ready to drop 5 or 6K on a pair of subs he doesn't need though.
PM me if you'd like to hear my rig. If you've got Salons, I'd be happy to hear yours too, or just share a beer.