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post #9091 of 9360 Old 12-28-2016, 12:11 AM
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Hello all.. need help

After the holidays I may be interested in treating myself and possibly buy a pair of Revel's lower priced tower speakers.. perhaps F36 or F35.

I live in NJ, does anyone ever have sales or slight discount prices on Revel speakers either locally or online?? Other than I'm aware of Harman and their Revel speaker line, I am not familiar with actual pricing practices at authorized dealers.

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Hi Yanks, I am a very satisfied customer with F52s as my fronts and C32 as my center. I bot them on close out shortly before the performa3s came out. I have not had a chance to compare side by side, but listening at home, then extended listening to the F208s at RMAF and then going home to listen to my F52s again, my opinion is if there is an improvement, it is minimal. The list price of the 208s is less than the F52s and I think the 208s are better looking, but the sound is very close. If you come across some used f52s, you should certainly give them consideration.
Regarding centers, the large centers have improved bass, but the vocals are very similar to the smaller speakers (like the C32). Space was an issue to me and my wife and we have not found we are missing much with the C32 instead of the larger C52 as there isn't much sub90 hz on the center channel. I do think the having a tweeter, mid range, and dual woofers (4 drivers) like the C208, C32, C52 is a superior design and sound than the tweeter/mid range dual woofer (3 drivers) design of the C205.
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Thx cyesp; thx on heads up on center; just going with the towers for now but will keep that advice in mind. Decided to purchase the F206, was that vs. the F36 concerta towers for me. F208 $ way out of my league. But I'll be joining the Revel family next week! Can't wait for delivery at our vacation home in SC which will be our future residence

And like to add; I purchased through John Schuermann who many folks here know. He was wonderful to deal with and answered all my questions timely and was patient & not pushy in the least. Highly recommended !!

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Thx cyesp; thx on heads up on center; just going with the towers for now but will keep that advice in mind. Decided to purchase the F206, was that vs. the F36 concerta towers for me. F208 $ way out of my league. But I'll be joining the Revel family next week! Can't wait for delivery at our vacation home in SC which will be our future residence

And like to add; I purchased through John Schuermann who many folks here know. He was wonderful to deal with and answered all my questions timely and was patient & not pushy in the least. Highly recommended !!
I think you made a wise decision going with the Performa line over the Concerta.
IMO, you'll live with them a lot longer before feeling upgraditis.

Don't know what you have now but enjoy getting reacquainted with your music collection.
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I'm looking at purchasing some F208's that were purchased new in 2014. One of the speakers took a tumble and the top is damaged. (Photo below). The owner says the sound is unaffected. They are about 400 miles away, so I haven't heard them.

I called Revel to see if they can give me some guidance - what is the final finish; lacquer, polyurethane, etc. Had to leave a message. My thought is seeing if there is a local cabinet maker that can repair it. The location of the damage may not even bother me, I can always put a small cloth over it if it does, but if I can get it repaired so it's 60 -70% better, that would be great.

I also contacted 2 of the warranty companies on Revel's website - neither does cabinets.

Right now I have the seller down to $1,900 for the pair, I'm thinking I can get him down another $100 or $200. What are your thoughts?
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Right now I have the seller down to $1,900 for the pair, I'm thinking I can get him down another $100 or $200. What are your thoughts?
As I posted above: I would contact John S and/or SteveH to check pricing BEFORE considering buying a used pair... IMHO, $1900 is way too high for that pair considering the cosmetic damage.
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As I posted above: I would contact John S and/or SteveH to check pricing BEFORE considering buying a used pair... IMHO, $1900 is way too high for that pair considering the cosmetic damage.
Very much agree on all counts. I believe the enclosure is made in China where you can often see the air so all sorts of chemicals can be used that aren't used in the U.S. It could be difficult at best to return it to like new condition. That said, $1,900 seems like far too much, of course it is your money not mine!
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Wow, thanks for the advice! I certainly don't want to overpay for these.
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Oh... I'll get in touch with the people you suggest.

Thanks!
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I saw these as well and personally I would stay away, because from my experience I will always have in the back of my head if there truly is a difference in sound or something changed in its character after the speaker took a tumble. I would rather save a little longer and get a mint condition used for $2500-$2750 or new for $3500 vs this one and then later having a hard time trying to get rid of it

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I had purchased a pair of shipping damaged F208s in black a while back (worse condition and less money) that I was able to repair to an acceptable cosmetic point for me - if you want anything 'near new', that wood veneer would be extremely difficult to mask and as others have said, I would take a pass. If you don't care about looks and you can test thoroughly(read below), than compare to what else you can find in the used market and offer accordingly. Important to note that the magnets of both tweeters on mine had broken off the diaphragms (simple glue attachment with a thin plastic backing-wrap that cracked). 1-magnet had a felt ring and 1 didn't(at least not that I could find - spkr serial #'s are 200+ apart and tweeter markings slightly different). I was able to repair both (diaphragms were very clean) and can't sonically distinguish the 'non-felt' from a new replacement(they have the same markings), although I feel there's a slight 'dullness' in the 'felt' one that I'm guessing may be a preconceived bias on my part...? Will someday recruit a friend for a true blind test

If you pursue, I would at least physically inspect the tweeter for any cracks/etc. as well as ask about serial #'s (might balk if they're far apart...at least anywhere close to that dollar level). The rest of the speaker appears pretty bullet-proof to me but any add'l issues depends on how, and how hard it took a hit.
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Very much agree on all counts. I believe the enclosure is made in China where you can often see the air so all sorts of chemicals can be used that aren't used in the U.S. It could be difficult at best to return it to like new condition. That said, $1,900 seems like far too much, of course it is your money not mine!
Really? Finish materials are finish materials.
Mercury, lead and other toxins do not come into play.

To the OP,
Speakers are just like everything else.
Houses, cars, etc.
There's always another one\deal.

I'd pass although the price is enticing.
Buy a well-taken of or new pair.

The risk reward is not worth it and if you do go ahead, don't come back here begging for advice.
There's a very real reason people on this thread don't go for deals like that.
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Really? Finish materials are finish materials.
Mercury, lead and other toxins do not come into play.

To the OP,
Speakers are just like everything else.
Houses, cars, etc.
There's always another one\deal.

I'd pass although the price is enticing.
Buy a well-taken of or new pair.

The risk reward is not worth it and if you do go ahead, don't come back here begging for advice.
There's a very real reason people on this thread don't go for deals like that.
Just some friendly advice.

You can find lots of information on this subject on the Internet.

Here is just one link to our "friends" at the EPA.

https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/...kPage=x&ZyPURL
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Whats the scoop. Will the entire performa series offer a be version?


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I want them NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure hope they don't raise the price to much. I'm sure it will go up somewhat.

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Sure hope they don't raise the price to much. I'm sure it will go up somewhat.



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Agreed, same here, F206Be I'd be ok if it was a little taller or wider but F208 is pretty wide. I guess it really comes down to how it sounds though.
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The concept models feature the addition of Beryllium tweeters and Deep Ceramic Composite mid-range and woofers to award-winning Performa3 Platform

CES – LAS VEGAS – January 4, 2017 – Revel by HARMAN today previewed the Performa3 Be concept loudspeakers, based on the award-winning Performa3 Series product range, at CES 2017. Based on Revel’s Performa3 F208 and M106 models, the Performa3 Be concepts include two new models: the F208Be 3-way floorstanding loudspeaker and M106Be 2-way bookshelf loudspeaker. The concepts feature the latest waveguide geometry, Beryllium and Deep Ceramic Composite (DCC) transducer technology and premium crossover network designs.

The Revel F208Be employs a 1-inch Beryllium dome tweeter inspired by Revel’s Ultima2 series and patented fifth generation Acoustic Lens Waveguide to deliver a remarkably transparent and detailed high frequency response and seamless integration with the mid-range. The Be concept also features a newly developed DCC cone technology that yields a durable ceramic surface to the aluminum cones and results in an ideal stiffness to weight ratio.

With a single 5.25-inch DCC cone for midrange frequency and two 8-inch DCC cone woofers with cast Aluminum frames for low frequency response, the F208Be delivers a remarkably smooth frequency response with extension to 40kHz. The loudspeaker is designed with aesthetics matching the award-winning Performa3 series with curved side panel, rounded back enclosures and includes High Frequency and Boundary Compensation controls.

Utilizing the same 1-inch Beryllium dome tweeter and waveguide mated to a 6.5-inch DCC cone woofer for low frequency response, Revel’s Performa3 M106Be bookshelf loudspeaker offers clear, highly resolved sound with extension to 40kHz. Built with a compact form factor, the M106Be can be shelf-mounted or stand-mounted with optional M Stand accessory floor stands.

“The Performa3 Be concept loudspeakers bring Revel’s widely acclaimed Ultima2 Series Beryllium tweeter technology to the award winning Performa3 range. The new loudspeakers combine the Beryllium tweeter with our most advanced waveguide and DCC transducer technology resulting in unparalleled acoustic performance,” said Jim Garrett, Director of Marketing and Product Management, HARMAN.

The Performa3 Be Series concept loudspeakers feature magnetically-attached black cloth grills, and are available in a furniture-grade high-gloss wood veneer finish or automotive-grade high-gloss painted finishes, including Walnut, Black, White, and Beryllium Metallic."
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New to researching Revel speakers, but I'm intrigued by the F206s. My problem is that I only have space for an on-wall center. How does the timbre match across Revel's various lines? Would it be a bad idea to use a C10 center with F206 L+R?

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Heard the new F208Bes briefly today - they're open, clean and airy! Will spend some more time with them tomorrow at the Hard Rock, under better listening conditions.

From my brief listening session, compared from memory to the F208s I have in our showroom, these sound more spacious and more dynamic in the mids and highs. According to those that have participated in the double blind listening tests at Harman, the new 208s are like the love child of the current 208s and a pair of Salon2s

Currently only the F208s and the M106s are due for the upgraded tweeter / drivers. The waveguide is also upgraded over the current Performa3 models. The tweeter and midrange driver are considerably less susceptible to dynamic compression at high volume levels.

These were a total surprise to me - I was not expecting them! List price should hit around $10K for a pair of F208Bes. Makes for a nice bridge between Performa3 and Ultima2. If all goes well, we should see these sometime mid-late 2017.

I put in a request for a matching center
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From Revel:
"Revel by HARMAN Previews Performa3 Be Concept Loudspeakers at CES 2017

The concept models feature the addition of Beryllium tweeters and Deep Ceramic Composite mid-range and woofers to award-winning Performa3 Platform

CES – LAS VEGAS – January 4, 2017 – Revel by HARMAN today previewed the Performa3 Be concept loudspeakers, based on the award-winning Performa3 Series product range, at CES 2017. Based on Revel’s Performa3 F208 and M106 models, the Performa3 Be concepts include two new models: the F208Be 3-way floorstanding loudspeaker and M106Be 2-way bookshelf loudspeaker. The concepts feature the latest waveguide geometry, Beryllium and Deep Ceramic Composite (DCC) transducer technology and premium crossover network designs.

The Revel F208Be employs a 1-inch Beryllium dome tweeter inspired by Revel’s Ultima2 series and patented fifth generation Acoustic Lens Waveguide to deliver a remarkably transparent and detailed high frequency response and seamless integration with the mid-range. The Be concept also features a newly developed DCC cone technology that yields a durable ceramic surface to the aluminum cones and results in an ideal stiffness to weight ratio.

With a single 5.25-inch DCC cone for midrange frequency and two 8-inch DCC cone woofers with cast Aluminum frames for low frequency response, the F208Be delivers a remarkably smooth frequency response with extension to 40kHz. The loudspeaker is designed with aesthetics matching the award-winning Performa3 series with curved side panel, rounded back enclosures and includes High Frequency and Boundary Compensation controls.

Utilizing the same 1-inch Beryllium dome tweeter and waveguide mated to a 6.5-inch DCC cone woofer for low frequency response, Revel’s Performa3 M106Be bookshelf loudspeaker offers clear, highly resolved sound with extension to 40kHz. Built with a compact form factor, the M106Be can be shelf-mounted or stand-mounted with optional M Stand accessory floor stands.

“The Performa3 Be concept loudspeakers bring Revel’s widely acclaimed Ultima2 Series Beryllium tweeter technology to the award winning Performa3 range. The new loudspeakers combine the Beryllium tweeter with our most advanced waveguide and DCC transducer technology resulting in unparalleled acoustic performance,” said Jim Garrett, Director of Marketing and Product Management, HARMAN.

The Performa3 Be Series concept loudspeakers feature magnetically-attached black cloth grills, and are available in a furniture-grade high-gloss wood veneer finish or automotive-grade high-gloss painted finishes, including Walnut, Black, White, and Beryllium Metallic."
And how are the new B&W802D3 treating you
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Heard the new F208Bes briefly today - they're open, clean and airy! Will spend some more time with them tomorrow at the Hard Rock, under better listening conditions.

From my brief listening session, compared from memory to the F208s I have in our showroom, these sound more spacious and more dynamic in the mids and highs. According to those that have participated in the double blind listening tests at Harman, the new 208s are like the love child of the current 208s and a pair of Salon2s

Currently only the F208s and the M106s are due for the upgraded tweeter / drivers. The waveguide is also upgraded over the current Performa3 models. The tweeter and midrange driver are considerably less susceptible to dynamic compression at high volume levels.

These were a total surprise to me - I was not expecting them! List price should hit around $10K for a pair of F208Bes. Makes for a nice bridge between Performa3 and Ultima2. If all goes well, we should see these sometime mid-late 2017.

I put in a request for a matching center
Thanks John, they are competing against the new Paradigm and the new Focal they both use Beryllium it would be interesting to see side by side comparison
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So glad to hear this. Squashes any 'upgrade-itis' for me...at least for now
Back to enjoying what I have
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These were a total surprise to me - I was not expecting them! List price should hit around $10K for a pair of F208Bes. Makes for a nice bridge between Performa3 and Ultima2. If all goes well, we should see these sometime mid-late 2017.
Surely there is a room for another bridge between that one and Ultima. Just gotta make a model with curved front baffle designed to reduce diffraction.

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So I guess this means no Ultima 3?
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