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Hello Yanks1,
Thanks. Yes I too have Front r/l 206's, M106s and C208. Rythmik sub driven by a Anthem 1120. I never usually play louder than -25 to -30db when listening to 2.1 audio. My amp has 145 watts per ch as well. So I guess I really won't hear any difference in sound quality at these levels?

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At those levels Jeff, I don't think you'll hear a difference. I only do when I push the volume knob close to 0 dB for music... and as mentioned during action movies in my 5.1.4 set-up

Primary set-up 5.1.4; Yamaha A2050 w/Emotiva XPA-2 (Gen 3)
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Secondary 5.1: Denon S900W, Polks LSiM703/704C, Polk RC80i in-ceiling rears, RSL Sub10

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At those levels Jeff, I don't think you'll hear a difference. I only do when I push the volume knob close to 0 dB for music... and as mentioned during action movies in my 5.1.4 set-up
Yes, agreed. Levels not by choice. I live in an apt in NYC. But system sounds amazing at these levels!

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Amps clip and momentarily. Long before clipping becomes objectionable there is clipping or limiting. This is why AVR's simply do not get louder after a certain point. The sound just gets flatter.

When auditioning the F206's they were driven by a NAD integrated amp. At about 11:00, the sound did not sound right to me.

At my brother-in-laws home, we listened to them driven by Outlaw M2200 mono-block. Driving into the mid 80db levels, they began to sound harsh. Possibly due to the class-g design. He later upgraded to a Parasound A21, they came alive. These speaker rock and they like good-clean power.

On a budget, I look into the Emotiva and Monoprice amps.

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Yes, agreed. Levels not by choice. I live in an apt in NYC. But system sounds amazing at these levels!

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understood totally Jeff.. we now live in townhouse in NJ so can't push my music here. But the Revels & Emo Amp set-up are at our vacation(& future) home in SC where the Revels are in upstairs 25 x 17 bonus room. So I can rock the house and bother no one other than my lovely wife.. ha-ha

Poster above mentioned the A21, I love Parasound and have an early 90's 2 channel (100 watts per) but didn't want to pay 2-2.5x my used cost of the Emotiva which has very good reviews also

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The midranges in the Ultima1 Salon and Studio do fail. You can gently push on them and if there is a resistance or scratching noise they must be replaced. I never had a tweeter fail but I don't think there are fuses.

I recommend calling Revel support and asking for pricing. The midranges went for $140 in 2015 but then I got a price of $229 later. Part number: N333962-001.

During the midrange failure, I thought the problem was my tweeter so I replaced both of them in the Salons. I have the originals that are working fine. PM me if your interested.

Edit: You may want to make sure the straps are attached to the Studio1's.

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Thanks for the great information RichB. I have sent a request to Revel for pricing and availability of the items I need. I tried to send you a PM but I lack the requisite 15 posts so I was denied!
Are the tweeters you removed from your Salons the same as the ones in the Studios? I am interested. See if you can PM me with information about your tweeters like price, hours of use, etc....if the site allows this type of exchange.
Thanks again for helping out. Much appreciated.
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I emailed Revel after getting my salons and they replied they have plenty of replacements except for the rear tweeter and I would imagine madisound would have a suitable solution for an ambience tweeter.

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On the advice of RichB I yanked the tweeters out of the Studios and tested their resistance.....they both measured the same at 3.9 - 4.0 ohms which I think is a proper reading for a 6 ohm diaphragm. So, it appears the tweeters are not the problem. And they were both properly soldered.

So...now...my question is - what next? I tried to pull off the back panel to take a look inside and I cannot get it off. It is stuck and I don't want to damage it. Does anybody have any advice or guidance for removing the back panel. Or, can someone tell me what to check now. I find it strange that both tweeters were inoperable yet both tested out fine.

I'm going to call Revel tomorrow but I'm hoping to continue my diagnosis in the meantime.

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On the advice of RichB I yanked the tweeters out of the Studios and tested their resistance.....they both measured the same at 3.9 - 4.0 ohms which I think is a proper reading for a 6 ohm diaphragm. So, it appears the tweeters are not the problem. And they were both properly soldered.

So...now...my question is - what next? I tried to pull off the back panel to take a look inside and I cannot get it off. It is stuck and I don't want to damage it. Does anybody have any advice or guidance for removing the back panel. Or, can someone tell me what to check now. I find it strange that both tweeters were inoperable yet both tested out fine.

I'm going to call Revel tomorrow but I'm hoping to continue my diagnosis in the meantime.

Can you check for voltage playing content or test tones?


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Can you check for voltage playing content or test tones?


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I guess I could solder them back in and do that. What would I be looking for?
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I guess I could solder them back in and do that. What would I be looking for?
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The purpose is to determine if the crossovers are operating correctly.

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I tried getting a reading on each of the speakers with no luck. I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly though. Then I used a tweeter I pulled from a working JBL speaker and connected it and nothing.
Looking more like a crossover issue.
So, anybody know how I can get the back panel off? I removed the screws but the thing seems to be cemented in. I don't want to damage the speaker but I know I need to remove this panel. Anybody know a trick?
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I tried getting a reading on each of the speakers with no luck. I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly though. Then I used a tweeter I pulled from a working JBL speaker and connected it and nothing.
Looking more like a crossover issue.
So, anybody know how I can get the back panel off? I removed the screws but the thing seems to be cemented in. I don't want to damage the speaker but I know I need to remove this panel. Anybody know a trick?
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I know this is a stupid question, but you are sure the binding straps that connect the crosovers are in place?


Here is a drawing of the Salon1/Studio1. The crossover appears to be behind the 3'rd (highest woofer).
I would get on the phone with call Revel tech support.


Attached are some parts and drawings.


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Just completed my ATMOS set up 7.2.4. Revel F208 mains and C208 center in walnut, c763L x4 for in-ceiling, w893 x4 in-walls for surrounds, JTR Captivator 4000ULF and SVS PB13 Ultra subs. Marantz 8802a pre-amp and Emotiva XPA Gen 3 5x300watt amp for the front 3 and 2 rears. 7x200 for ATMOS and sides. Oppo 205 for viewing pleasure.

95% movies and 5% music.

Wow money well spent. I've had Revel F208, C208, and ceiling speakers for 7.2. The ATMOS upgrade was stunning. Speakers all integrate well with each other. Timbre matching is perfect. Sound moves through the room seamlessly. Anyone looking at these in-ceiling and in-wall Revel speakers be confident that they will sound amazing. Not much written about these speakers.
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Just completed my ATMOS set up 7.2.4. Revel F208 mains and C208 center in walnut, c763L x4 for in-ceiling, w893 x4 in-walls for surrounds, JTR Captivator 4000ULF and SVS PB13 Ultra subs. Marantz 8802a pre-amp and Emotiva XPA Gen 3 5x300watt amp for the front 3 and 2 rears. 7x200 for ATMOS and sides. Oppo 205 for viewing pleasure.

95% movies and 5% music.

Wow money well spent. I've had Revel F208, C208, and ceiling speakers for 7.2. The ATMOS upgrade was stunning. Speakers all integrate well with each other. Timbre matching is perfect. Sound moves through the room seamlessly. Anyone looking at these in-ceiling and in-wall Revel speakers be confident that they will sound amazing. Not much written about these speakers.


Similar experience with the C763L's. Great ceiling speaker concept.


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Just expanded an upstairs room: F52s, C208, PB12 Ultra, 4 Klipsch Atmos modules - added 4 M105s to kick it up to 7.1.4.
Not only do the M105s share the same tweeter as the C208, they match in the handsome Walnut.
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A point of interest for those monitoring this thread. I reached out to Dr. Sean Olive the other day to get his thoughts on headphone choices (for anyone not following his blog posts, he's been doing the same kind of correlation tests between listener preferences and measurements as he has done in the past for loudspeakers). I asked him about what speakers he is using in his own home, and he gave me permission to share the info here:

"I own F208s driven by a ML 585. And my home theater is F206s with the M16 as surrounds the 3-way Performa center channel and 2 revel subs."

Just thought it interesting that the two guys who have done more speaker blind testing than anyone else - Toole and Olive - chose Revel speakers for their own systems

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Cool; thx John; and my primary set-up is 5.1.4 with F206s in front & M16 rears... Same as Dr Olive

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"I own F208s driven by a ML 585. And my home theater is F206s with the M16 as surrounds the 3-way Performa center channel and 2 revel subs."

Just thought it interesting that the two guys who have done more speaker blind testing than anyone else - Toole and Olive - chose Revel speakers for their own systems
Just shocking that he would choose to own an integrated amp and speakers for which he was likely able to receive some significant discount to purchase.
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Just shocking that he would choose to own an integrated amp and speakers for which he was likely able to receive some significant discount to purchase.
Well, sure. But it's not like these guys don't have significant relationships with other manufacturers as well (in fact, I know they do because they talk about them). However, I would still think that these researchers who spend so much time testing products under scientifically controlled circumstances are not simply going to put something in their own homes simply because "it's the cheapest." And it's literally true that these speakers are the end result of all that research.

FWIW, I was mainly contrasting this to other products within the Harman family of brands.

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FYI, everyone -

As many of you know, I have a set of 3 JBL M2s coming my way. They are FINALLY going to be delivered this upcoming Tuesday. What you DON'T know is that I have a pair of Revel Salon2s coming this week as well Yes, I will be able to compare the two kings of the Harman kingdom side by side.

Revel had 15 Salon2 cabinets come in with tiny design flaws, and had to decide to either refuse the cabinets or build them anyway. They decided to build and discount them, so we snagged some. So excited about this! Been waiting for an excuse to bring in some Salon2s for a while now.
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I have a set of 3 M2s coming my way. They are FINALLY going to be delivered this upcoming Tuesday. What you may not know is that I have a pair of Revel Salon2s coming this week as well. Yes, I will be able to compare the two kings of the Harman kingdom side by side.

Revel had 15 Salon2 cabinets come in with tiny design flaws, and had to decide to either refuse the cabinets or build them anyway. They decided to build and discount them, so we snagged some. So excited about this! Been waiting for an excuse to bring in some Salon2s for a while now.

I will post most of my impressions in this thread. I'm sure others will do the same.
I'm pretty sure too. John got a great deal and is passing it on to his customers. Of which I shall be one very soon. My first "serious" conventional speakers in decades and are likely to replace my beloved (but nearly 30 year old) Maggies. So if you want to compare, do it before I pick mine up...

p.s. After only a few emails and posts over several months, some PMs, and a call or two I gotta' say that, great deal or not, I am already impressed with John and his approach to sales and AV gear. Revel and The Screening Room were already on my short list, and that is two different categories as there are other dealers around. FWIWFM - Don
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