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post #9811 of 9821 Old 06-19-2017, 10:46 AM
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Two Voice2's? You know the "2" means the second version, not that you have to buy two, right?

Update: I've been dialing things in and have gotten things set up pretty well now. Here is something that shocked me a bit: My Salon2's, when running about 10 dB louder than my old Magnepan MG-IIIa's, have about 10 dB lower distortion! I mean, @%^$#!!! I just happened to compare those two curves and those are the levels I had run. Boy, these things are clean! I'm within about 5 dB of the target curve out to 20 kHz (not that I can hear anywhere near that high), and 3 dB down at about 7 Hz (amazing what a quartet of subs and small'ish room will do).

I'm rather pleased [/understatement] - Don
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Oh, I expected them to be among the very best conventional designs, but decades ago very few speakers were as clean as my Maggies (and ESLs were even cleaner -- within their dynamic range, of course, and that was usually the rub). I know speakers have advanced but was still surprised and just how good these are. FWIW, my son plays drums and he heard them last night, and he commented on how realistic the drums and cymbals are compared to most speakers (he also liked my previous Maggies, natch). He did notice how the Revels fill out the room better, with a wider sweet spot, also expected. In short, I got what I expected, and did not experience even the minor drawbacks I thought I might hear.

So, to answer your question, yeah...
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The Voice2 is also a marvel. A well recorded source sounds great. The drums from The Great Wall UHD were amazing from the center.
This disk is my new reference for demo material on the LG C6 OLED display. The color is worth buying the disk.

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I just ordered that disk recently and it should be here this week. Not the UHD version, don't have a 4K player, but it's on the playlist for this weekend. Looking forward to seeing on the Salon2s and Voice2 handle it. One of the reasons for my upgrade was to get deeper bass from the center and surrounds/rears and the Voice2 and F206's have most certainly done that.

Next on my list are a new BD player (need one to do SACDs since my old Oppo died and might as well go for 4K HDR) and TV (probably wait until the latest QLEDs come down in price, and price aside the Sony AE1 was dropped because I cannot wall-mount it and the stand makes it lean back, a major problem in my layout).
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The Voice2 is also a marvel. A well recorded source sounds great. The drums from The Great Wall UHD were amazing from the center.
This disk is my new reference for demo material on the LG C6 OLED display. The color is worth buying the disk.

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Good point on the Voice2 - anyone dealing with a room with hard surfaces, know that the Voice2 will sound quite good or more importantly, acceptable whereas other decent but lesser centers do not.
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Oh, I expected them to be among the very best conventional designs, but decades ago very few speakers were as clean as my Maggies (and ESLs were even cleaner -- within their dynamic range, of course, and that was usually the rub). I know speakers have advanced but was still surprised and just how good these are. FWIW, my son plays drums and he heard them last night, and he commented on how realistic the drums and cymbals are compared to most speakers (he also liked my previous Maggies, natch). He did notice how the Revels fill out the room better, with a wider sweet spot, also expected. In short, I got what I expected, and did not experience even the minor drawbacks I thought I might hear.

So, to answer your question, yeah...
Very cool.

One thing that I cannot understand is the "Vintage Speaker" thing.
Advent, Bozak, Sansui etc.
Compared to just about any decent speaker, Xover & cabinet design in the last 10 years, these things sound bloody hideous.
One personal example.
I bought a pair of Harbeth HLmk IIs in 1979.
Designed by the famous Dudley Harwood himself.
2-way with a proprietary polypropylene mid-woof & Audax tweeter.
Baltic birch ply cabinet.
At the time they were killer and would've put ANY Advent in the ditch in flames.
In 1990 I bought a pair of the little HLP3ES mini monitors designed by Alan Shaw who took over Harbeth from the founder.
The HLP3's were a zillion times better in every single way.
Fast forward 27 years and guess what?

What are they hearing?

 

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Well, my post was not meant to imply vintage speakers were better; if anything, what I meant to convey was how conventional designs have caught up to and surpassed some of the cleanest speaker designs back then and today. I just happen to own a pair of vintage Maggies, mostly because I didn't want to give them up, and never found anything that blew me away. Maggies have improved too but with very little actual experience my impression is that conventional designs have improved much more in comparison over time.

Back then I listened to Infinity IRS, Quads, Acoustats, Beveridge, B&W, Bozak, Mark Levinson's HQD system, and so forth. I would not rank Advent in their class; the Advents had a nice sound but a lot of issues, and had quite a cult following. Speaker design took a big leap forward with new concepts like Thiele parameters, time alignment, and significantly improved driver designs. More recently I have listened to very few high-end speaker; not time, and too hard to wander around trying to find them. I listened to various Focal, B&W, Revel, and a few others but frankly did not expect to buy new speakers now so don;t have much basis for comparison. A friend of mine has B&W 803D's and likes my Maggies as well; different, but still good, and probably just my bias but I think my MG-IIIa's do (did) a pretty good job at holding their own.

The semi-astonishing thing to me is that I have not had any thoughts of setting up the Maggies and trying to compare; the Salon2's are doing everything I ask of them and more. I did a lot of listening in the week or two before the Salon2's arrrived, and more in the days before I set up the Salon2's, so I'd have some basis. The Maggies sounded so good that I was nervous but the Salon2's are as good and better in some respects. I would not say they blow away my Maggies, but they have a lot of strengths and do significantly outstrip my Maggies in several areas.

As for Advents, large, small, or stacked, not even in the same ballpark... More like the parking lot.

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In the late 70's I spent many a lunch hour at J&R browsing thru the vinyl. Always enjoyed Nick Lowe "Cruel to be Kind" coming out of the multiple Advents on the floor.
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Don, sincerely I never meant to imply that you did.
In fact Magnepans were waaay ahead of their time and although they have gone through some changes have remained constant first-rate speakers for 30+ years with the same basic design.
I too heard Quads and Acoustats back in the day and was blown away by the mid-range in the Quads and like Magnepans the Acoustats life size imaging ability to reproduce detail. Although sometimes it was a bit super life sized

 

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No worries, thanks. I've always had mixed feelings about Quad; great midrange, but so many other issues at lower and higher frequencies. I am a bit surprised more panels (ESL and planar-dynamic) have not done something similar to control directivity like the later (and current) Quads, but then again maybe that is part of their charm. Or they don't want to license the idea from Quad. And yah, especially if you don't damp the back wave, sometimes you get an impressively spacious image that eventually becomes distracting when the solo violin is 8' wide and all that jazz (I refer to that as "the Bose 901 image" -- impressive, liked by many, but not real).
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Don, just an epilogue to my OT posts.
It seems we're on the same wave length on speakers.
As I said earlier, you more you listen the more you'll like.
I hope you enjoy it at least as much as I have.

 

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