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post #10021 of 10043 Old 09-11-2017, 04:25 PM
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I've been trying to decide between the JBL Studio 580 and 590 and stopped by the Harman Flagship Store today hoping to be able to demo the two. But they say they were removed several months ago and instead they tried to sell me on the Revel F35, and I must admit I was pretty impressed, especially for its small footprint. I wonder if anyone can compare these.

I listen mostly to acoustic guitar- and piano-based singer-songwriters and don't care much about bass. Unfortunately, they don't let you listen with your own music; they have a pre-loaded set of songs in their system and none were of this style. As others have noted, A/Bing between the F35s and F36s, they sound almost identical, with the F36s having just a bit more bass.

It's so hard to choose speakers when there's nowhere to demo them :-(.

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I have the 590s and I also have listened to the F36 and they sound similar to me with the 590s having more output and more bass. But at lower levels to me, they sound similar.

I didn't have the F36 in my room it was at a local dealer and I had the 590s that I had ordered from Amazon and they showed up damaged so they were going to get sent back. My girl friend at the time was set on buying the 590s from the local audio shop and they kept pushing me to the Revels but I preferred the 590s for the higher ouput. So it is really hard to give a true comparison since they were in different rooms.

But for the deal that the studio 500 series are going for lately, I would definitely take them over the Revels without a doubt(unless you like the looks of the Revel better, I actually like the 590s looks). When I got the 590s they were around $1000 each and I still preferred them over the F36.

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Got a pic of the new Revel F228be and M106be final versions from John Schuermann. Thanks John!
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Not feeling the white...
My guess is they wanted them to look different and have some way to distinguish them from the F208.

Silver would have been better than white IMO. Then they would look more like the Ultima2.
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Good morning all. I need some input.Single SVS PB16-Ultra or Dual SVS PB13-Ultra? Dual SVS PB16-Ultras are not in the budget. Room dimensions are 30 x 16 with 10 foot ceilings. I presently have a Velodyne sub (circa 1999) that's holding up pretty well under most circumstances, but I'm ready to move on.

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You'll get more advice in the subwoofer forum...

For that size room, particularly with dimensions that are multiples or near-multiples, I would go with two subs to help even out the frequency response. Assuming you have some flexibility in placement, of course.

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The M106Be is slightly higher in price than the F206, but does it have the low frequency extension of the F206? Does the M106Be at high SPLs distort less than the F206 at similar SPLs?

The price range on the M106Be seems a bit out of place to me.
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The M106Be is slightly higher in price than the F206, but does it have the low frequency extension of the F206? Does the M106Be at high SPLs distort less than the F206 at similar SPLs?

The price range on the M106Be seems a bit out of place to me.
My guess would be that the F206 compresses less at high SPL and plays lower thanks in large part to the massive difference in enclosure sizes. Of course, those two items aren't the whole audio enchilada.
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M106 vs F206 Be versions vs non Be versions:

The F206 has more low frequency extension and will play louder. Simple physics, it's a bigger speaker with more drivers.

M106: 10dB@39Hz -6dB@54Hz -3dB@59Hz

F206: -10dB@30Hz -6dB@36Hz -3dB@42Hz

F206 has two 6.5" low frequency drivers and one 5.25" mid frequency driver

M106 has one 6.5" driver to handle low and mid frequencies

The prices of the Be versions are in line with the better drivers and crossovers.

Look at the next steps up, the Ultima2 Studio2 and Salon2.

Revels price structure makes sense in terms of the progressive increments in quality.
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white cones...odd choice imo. cabinets look great...whats the story with a rounded top edge? I like putting a box of tissues or blu rays/remotes on top of my speakers

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Just to clarify this:

It appears that the new F208be is a brand new line and design.

Is the existing F208 refreshed/ updated? Such as F308 maybe?
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Just to clarify this:

It appears that the new F208be is a brand new line and design.

Is the existing F208 refreshed/ updated? Such as F308 maybe?


If the b3's are a new line with new drivers, perhaps they should have come up with a new model line.
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It is not F208be. F208 remains in the line. The new speaker is the F228be.
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It is not F208be. F208 remains in the line. The new speaker is the F228be.
Yes. Sorry.

Question is: is the F208 being refreshed?
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Hi, I live in the Bay Area and can't seem to locate a local Revel dealer - it seems now all I can find are Magnolia HiFi to demo speakers. I'm afraid my Paradigm Stidio 100 v2's have run their course and am in the market for medium sized floor standing speakers. I am also keeping an eye on the Denon 4300h as it continues to drop in price - it'll be replacing a 5 year old Marantz. Would the Denon do a good job powering the f206's? While at magnolia today - I demoed the B&w cm10's which I did like. They're discontinuing the line and offered me a nice deal, but they were floor models and I felt I could do a bit better in the price range. I've read plenty on the F206 and sounds like what I've been looking for. - also keeping an eye on Paradigm 75F. Do any of the Revel dealers do a no risk trial like some of the other speaker companies? Buying speakers without an audio is a scary thought, but if there is a no risk trial period I'd be willing to take a leap based on the research I've done to this point.

I'm powering eight F206's with a Denon 7200 receiver, and I'm not experiencing any issues. I bought the Revels after my Definitive Technology Mythos speakers died. I wasn't able to properly audition the F206's, and bought them solely on my dealer's recommendation. I've been very pleased with them.
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M106 vs F206 Be versions vs non Be versions:

The F206 has more low frequency extension and will play louder. Simple physics, it's a bigger speaker with more drivers.

M106: 10dB@39Hz -6dB@54Hz -3dB@59Hz

F206: -10dB@30Hz -6dB@36Hz -3dB@42Hz

F206 has two 6.5" low frequency drivers and one 5.25" mid frequency driver

M106 has one 6.5" driver to handle low and mid frequencies

The prices of the Be versions are in line with the better drivers and crossovers.

Look at the next steps up, the Ultima2 Studio2 and Salon2.

Revels price structure makes sense in terms of the progressive increments in quality.

The Beryllium drivers are understandable in terms of increased costs for the 6.5" and 1" tweeter. The crossover design may be better, but crossover costs don't increase since the circuitry is the essentially the same.
Having owned the M106 and F206, I can say the F206 in two channel use is superior to the M106. The real question is, does the M106Be sound better than the F206 when the price is slightly higher? Of course I understand that space and placement are an issue, and the M106Be would be an ideal choice for some people.

The Ultima2 series are different than the Performa series. The Ultima2 line has lower speaker sensitivity and impedance requiring more powerful amplification in terms of delivering more current. The Performa series, particularly the F228Be, is wonderful where you don't need as powerful or costly amplification for performance near the Ultima2 series.

The price structure is understandable for everything but the M106Be.

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white cones...odd choice imo. cabinets look great...whats the story with a rounded top edge? I like putting a box of tissues or blu rays/remotes on top of my speakers
The cabinet design is one that provides the most structural strength, given the materials used, and to avoid resonances from the cabinet and driver assembly. In the past speaker makers would use heavier MDF and expensive hardwood veneers in larger rectangular box shapes to achieve the same results. This would give you a larger footprint and much higher weight. Speakers like the F208 are 80 pounds each and to achieve similar results from a conventional design would increase weight by over 50%.
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Back but finishing up the last few days of a vacation, plus polishing my feature film script. Will try and answer questions here in a few days...

F228Be could be thought of as a refresh of the F208, but it's really an upgrade. The current F208 is not going anywhere nor are there changes anticipated. The changes they would do are in the F228Be, and of course have resulted in a higher price point.

Understand some don't like the white drivers against a dark cabinet - time to put on the grills However, Jim Garrett told me the speakers are just breathtaking in the white finish.

Thanks Rex for posting the pics!
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Back but finishing up the last few days of a vacation, plus polishing my feature film script. Will try and answer questions here in a few days...

F228Be could be thought of as a refresh of the F208, but it's really an upgrade. The current F208 is not going anywhere nor are there changes anticipated. The changes they would do are in the F228Be, and of course have resulted in a higher price point.

Understand some don't like the white drivers against a dark cabinet - time to put on the grills However, Jim Garrett told me the speakers are just breathtaking in the white finish.

Thanks Rex for posting the pics!
Two thoughts. I personally really like the white drivers with the gray cabinet. That's my front runner.

And as a tip from a friendly observer for your script, you should have a character with the name Nick. Or the nickname Snowman. Maybe some portmanteau of the two? Like, I don't know, SnowmaNick. It would really spice things up.
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well if anyone smokes tobacco or herb those white cones wont be white....poor choice imo but i always am wrong.

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Welcome back John! Hope you enjoyed your vacation.
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well if anyone smokes tobacco or herb those white cones wont be white....poor choice imo but i always am wrong.

If you're spending nearly $10K on speakers, then it is best to be in a smoke free environment. The white cones aren't bad, but if they made the cones rose gold with the High Gloss Walnut finish, the WAF would be very high. I would be very tempted.
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Hi all,

Strange request but am looking for 1-2 bad/broken P3 tweeters (f/c208/206 (and m105/6 if wg plate same size?)) - am hoping some pack-rat like myself kept one they replaced that they'd be willing to recycle. LSS, have experimented with a Be transplant on a bad one of mine and could use a couple more - only the waveguide/mounting-plate need be clean/intact. Would obviously pay for freight plus??? Feel free to pm with any details.
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Hoping someone has a bad Performance3 series tweeter laying around they'd be willing to sell - thx
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