Originally Posted by bigguyca
(1) Your understanding from who? What were the actual results? The spins posted of the new Concerta's aren't wonderful. The actual point is that Revel (Harman) could have built a better three-way for not much more money and improved on the original.
Mark Glazer is essentially changing the subject and avoiding the real question, or you asked him the wrong question. Revel choose to get cheap. Harman, now Samsung, could have used some of the money they are going to save from firing these 650 people in the United States on better products (Sept. 14, 2017 announcement)
(2) Amplifier power is inexpensive. The new direction you are indicating here, of choosing better efficiency as a justification for not improving quality, seems the wrong direction. Is this an official announcement from Harman/Samsung or your judgement? Most of the Polk and DevTech products appear to have a higher voltage sensitivity than Revel, is that the new target market? Is Harman taking a whole new direction and just trying to beat these two companies? Leave the amplifier questions up the customer. JBL PRO already makes lots of efficient speakers.
The information you supply from Harman, and your contacts at Harman/Samsung are very valuable. The loudspeaker shootout covered on another post was very interesting. However, your latest post seems to be more from a salesman than a valuable provider of information.
I was there at Northridge during double blind sessions with the Concerta2 series against KEF, Polk, Monitor, and B&W models. The session I sat in on had eight people in the room - seven preferred the Concerta2 model (FWIW, one person preferred the Monitor, which sounded bright to me). This was not an "official" session, as I think the critical listening sessions are done with single listeners (obviously our session had numerous people off axis). When we were at Northridge we talked to Kevin Voecks, Mark Glazer, Ron Rouse, etc. The only reason I say "from my understanding" is because I was not there
for the listening sessions against the older Concerta models. However, I was there for the session described above.
I never want to speak definitively about something I was not present for. However, our visit to Northridge in August 2015 literally coincided with the final testing of the Concerta2 line, so it was definitely a topic of conversation among all the people named above. I just don't remember who it was who commented that they verified superiority over previous Concerta models during the double blind test, so I'm not going to quote anyone.
I guess I'm not getting your point - the Concerta2 is an entry level
line. It was created to deliver good sound at a price point while keeping an eye on current trends in the market. While your point about amplifier power is of course valid, we have to keep in mind what a speaker like the Concerta2 is likely to be paired with - a typical AVR, which does not have power to spare when 9 to 11 channels are being driven at once. The Concerta2 line was developed with those typical applications in mind. And it was "shot out" extensively with other speakers at its price point, and came out the winner. I have THAT information directly from one of the top engineers at Harman (I also know what speaker came in second, FWIW). I am not going to quote that person here as I don't have permission. However, you are more than welcome to PM me.
RE: salesman. Kind of a low blow, IMO. I am trying to provide accurate information here to the very best of my ability. The fact that I also understand the "sales" part of the equation is not a negative, also IMO. It simply means I understand the rationale behind hitting a price point, keeping an eye on market trends, and trying to deliver best sound for the dollar. The fact that the Concerta2 did in fact beat competing speakers in the double blind tests demonstrates their value, once more IMO. To me, wanting to deliver good sound at that magical "under $2K per pair" price point is a worthwhile endeavor.