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post #4051 of 4072 Old 05-12-2015, 05:26 PM
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So I am enjoying the P363's as my mains right now however I noticed my right speaker lacking in the high's dept. After some quick sophisticated testing using my ears it was painfully obvious i sent the tweeter packing home.

So I have read past posts about others who have blown the tweeter and called Harmon, tweeter is no longer around and the few links from goggling were from 2012 so they were no good anymore. Does anyone here now where or how I can find a replacement tweeter or a correct size that I could get to fit for the P363?

I'm grasping at straws I know but haven't even had these things a month yet so don't want to chalk them up as junk yet if I don't have to.
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So I am enjoying the P363's as my mains right now however I noticed my right speaker lacking in the high's dept. After some quick sophisticated testing using my ears it was painfully obvious i sent the tweeter packing home.

So I have read past posts about others who have blown the tweeter and called Harmon, tweeter is no longer around and the few links from goggling were from 2012 so they were no good anymore. Does anyone here now where or how I can find a replacement tweeter or a correct size that I could get to fit for the P363?

I'm grasping at straws I know but haven't even had these things a month yet so don't want to chalk them up as junk yet if I don't have to.
Try ebay....
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Yeah, glanced at some, thinking best bet is to buy cheap bookshelf in the series used and just steal the tweeter and toss the bookshelf after haha. If I paid more than 100 I'd be pissed but let's face it I got what I paid for with the P363's. Can't really complain for their price.

From reading around that's one drawback these Primus series have is a cruddy tweeter essentially.

The smallest bookshelf is only 60 so only about 25 more than if I did find the tweeter to buy.
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You can't just take any tweeter and pop it in. You'd have to get a new crossover and that won't be easy unless you know what you're doing.
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I'm grasping at straws I know but haven't even had these things a month yet so don't want to chalk them up as junk yet if I don't have to.
Since you've had them less than a month you should be able to take them back to where you bought them from. Both Fry's and Amazon have a 30 day return window. You can get an exchange at Fry's or return to Amazon then wait for the next sale to get a replacement. If you bought it somewhere else check with their return policy. They should have some type of warranty if you bought them new from an authorized reseller. Worst case scenario, if you bought them using a credit card, some have extended warranties. I know American Express will just refund you your money if the manufacturer can't/won't help you.
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Yuppers on the can't just put any tweeter in but all their primus series seem to use the same MMD 19mm tweeter, each crossover may be different but so far from my gathering tweeters are the same. I read a few posts with some replacing tweeters and adjusting crossover since Infinity has it crossed about 3.3khz.

Also yeah I could send it back to amazon but time is money and for me it's easier to drop 60 on a cheap bookshelf and do a swap myself within minutes than all those other time consuming options. The Speaker Exchange wants 45 to fix/recone and that's after me shipping it to them.

I knew I was grasping at straws but one never knows if someone might know or have one on hand.
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Sorry, saw "cheap bookshelf" but missed that you were talking about the same series.
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No worries Soul, good and valid point

So I debated and went with one of the primus 4" 2-way bookshelf, it was only $50 so if all matches up the way I think it will/should I guess my fix will be a sinch. Honestly enjoying them and have to agree for when they are on sale it's hard to beat'em, although after this I'll have to be a bit more careful
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I don't know if it would help, but I'm selling my PC351 center. Probably not as cheap as a bookshelf though

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No worries Soul, good and valid point

So I debated and went with one of the primus 4" 2-way bookshelf, it was only $50 so if all matches up the way I think it will/should I guess my fix will be a sinch. Honestly enjoying them and have to agree for when they are on sale it's hard to beat'em, although after this I'll have to be a bit more careful
All the tweeters are the exact same in the current generation of the Primus (the older p140s do measure different a bit different than the p143s).

I've taking the p143's apart before, so as a word of advice, the terminals used on the ends of the wires can be VERY tightly pinched onto the terminals on the tweeter. So take your time and go slow with trying to pull them off, if you just tug on it, you may end up putting damaging the tweeter before you are able to switch them.
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Thanks for the heads up. When I pulled the blown tweeter it was fairly easy to just slip off, not very tight at all. Got curious so pulled the other tweeter that is good as well and yeah those spades where darn tight indeed.

Word of caution was appreciated, new bookshelf will be in tomorrow so I'll expect an easy swap now. And yeah Soul I doubt the price would have been in range of my goal but thanks for tossing it as an option out there.
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Thanks for the heads up. When I pulled the blown tweeter it was fairly easy to just slip off, not very tight at all. Got curious so pulled the other tweeter that is good as well and yeah those spades where darn tight indeed.
When there is a tight connect on a tweeter or woofer - I take a small pick tool, and from the back
of the female disconnect, I pry it open some - then I begin to pull and work it off. However, as
always be careful when working with sharp like tools.

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Had a smooth swap for the tweeter, was worried at first due to top plate being different but they were easy to pull out thankfully. Hopefully I won't break it again

Thanks for the input all around as well, for future reference supposedly Harmon with have the tweeters back in stock after June 15th from an email I received by them.
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Frys has the P363 towers on sale for $99 each w/coupon code, today only. Great speakers for under 100 bones. If anybody is interested in purchasing these, a code is required for online and in store purchase at this price. PM me and I'll be happy to give you my code, as I won't need it.
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Finally received my P363's! After listening to them I wish they had a bit more bass, but i really only have about 1hr into them... I really need to get my Sub running again (ps210 with blown amp )

I'm looking at getting a matching Center, do you guys recommend the PC251 or 351? and why?

Thanks!
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Finally received my P363's! After listening to them I wish they had a bit more bass, but i really only have about 1hr into them... I really need to get my Sub running again (ps210 with blown amp )

I'm looking at getting a matching Center, do you guys recommend the PC251 or 351? and why?

Thanks!
I'd say get the 351, since the drivers match what's in the 363's, unless you have budget or placement concerns due to it's slightly larger size. Since one of my P163's toppled over on it's stand & stopped working, I moved my original P360s back into action for L & R duties & am reminded how great they sound.
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I'm looking at getting a matching Center, do you guys recommend the PC251 or 351? and why?
In order of preference based on performance:

1. Another P363 vertically oriented if space/WAF allows.
2. P163 vertically oriented if space/WAF allows.
3. P153 vertically oriented if space/WAF allows.
4. PC351
5. PC251
6. Any other speaker that you like the sounds of that is fairly close in sound signature (if your AVR/Pre-pro has some type of room correction feature).

A center speaker that is identical to the L/R speakers is optimal for best timbre matching. That would mean a third P363 if possible. Center speakers were designed to fit a specific need. That is to fit above or below the display. Sound quality plays second fiddle to this primary function. Horizontal Mid-Tweeter-Mid (MTM) speaker designs suffer from what is known as lobing. That is why I always recommend 1 - 3 above over a center speaker specific design.

If you insist on or can only accommodate a horizontal center speaker then get the PC351. The PC351 moves the tweeter up allows for the mid drivers to be physically closer to each other which minimizes the lobing effect. Of course this is also dependent on the crossover design, but generally speaking this is preferred.

Last option, since the PC351 is relatively expensive, is to get another center speaker from any other manufacturer that has similar sound characteristics that you like if you have an AVR/Pre-pro with room correction built in. IMO, timbre matched speakers were more important in the days prior to automated, electronic room correction. With features provided by Audyssey, MCCAC, DIRAC, etc., timbre matched speakers are less important since these products do a pretty good job of making the speakers timbre matched via EQ. So close enough is good enough IMO.
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Thanks for the input! I guess i'm not totally committed to the center being a "center" but from the sounds of things the 351 is much better than the 251

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Got my bad P163 popped open today - turns out the impact when it fell over must have caused the voice coil to get tweaked, it now produces a healthy rubbing/scratchy sound when I move the cone up & down. It seems Harmon has abandoned parts support for the 10s of thousands that were sold, nice...
Searching Google doesn't produce any source for a replacement, not sure if I want to spend $90 for another one (got mine on sale for $60 @ Fry's) or just stick w/ the P360s and my wife's occasional evil stare...
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The drivers in the P360 should be the same as in the P163 I think. You can always swap drivers if that's the case.
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The drivers in the P360 should be the same as in the P163 I think. You can always swap drivers if that's the case.
True, but have no plans to part out the classic P360s. So I guess I'm out of my bookshelf phase for a while..
Plus no current budget for any upgrading, guess I can live with them.
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Power Handling Infinity Primus p153 & pc351

Power Handling Infinity Primus p153 & pc351

My current setup is 2 Sony B1000's front, another 2 for the rear, a Sony SS-BN5000 center and a Polk Audio PSW505 12"subwoofer.

I would like to upgrade to 2 Primus p153's and another 2 for the rear and a Primus pc-351 center. Keeping the subwoofer.

I have chosen these because I have stringent space requirements and they seem to be well rated and considered a step up by most and of course cost is also a factor. These seem to fit what I need on all fronts but I do have some concerns. Hopefully I can get some input.

My number one concern is power handling. I have a Sony STR-DN1040 which Sony says puts out 165 watts into 7 channels. Most reviews I have read put the figure more around 80-90 which is still more than enough for me and more than enough to damage a small speaker. The B1000's are rated at 125watts and I roll everything off to the subwoofer at 120hz. I would continue to roll everything off at 120hz in the new setup as well. I know the manufacturer has stated 100watts for the 153s but I have noticed on this forum some referring to blown tweeters.

I do drive my current setup to reference levels when watching movies. I tend to listen to jazz and new age and space music think Hearts of Space. I would say quiet music but because it is quiet I play it loud to bring out every small nuance clearly.

I guess what I'm looking for is to hear from people who have had these speakers for awhile, 2 or 3 years and have driven them hard a times. I work from home and listen to music 3 or 4 hours a day most every day, then at night comes the movies, so hardy speakers are a must. The Sony's don't really sound that good but they take a beating and everything I throw at them.

Any thoughts are much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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