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post #451 of 3950 Old 01-20-2007, 08:05 AM
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I started a thread elsewhere b4 i found this so I posting this here where all the experience is!

The Primus line being discounted...pls help me choose
I would appreciate some help with choosing the right set up...

The Primus line is really being discounted on the net. I've seen 150's for $50 each and 160's for 170/pair. I was thinking about getting a pair of ARXP62 from ACOUSTIC RESEARCH. I've heard them and I really like em but now that Primus is discounted I'm thinking on getting the 150's with the center now for front stage then moving them to surrounds in a couple of months when I get the 250'stheir coming down in price to.

I haven't listened the primus but for that price I'll take the risk.

I know every one raves about the 360's but live in an apartment and the room is only 12 X 14 so I'm thinking the 360 is a bit too much speaker for the space. Also what do you all think about 5.1/7.1 with just 150's or just 160's considering the space.

I use this 50/50 music and movies.

Right now I have some mix-match speakers from a 10 y/o AWIA HTIB, a pair of bookshelf's from Phillips set and a Yamaha yst216 sub to make 7.1 so almost anything is an improvement. All this is powered by a Onkyo 604 and an oppo 970. Havent' gotton the display yet but I'm leaning toward the Aquos 37 lcd (720p) or the 42 Panasonic plasma (720p).

My budget is a little tight. I don't want to spend any more than $400 on speakers and will make a decision on replacing the sub after I get them because I expect to spend another $300 on a sub but I'm willing to spend less if i can

Any comments are appreciated.
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I've heard them and I really like em but now that Primus is discounted I'm thinking on getting the 150's with the center now for front stage then moving them to surrounds in a couple of months when I get the 250'stheir coming down in price to.

Primus line has been selling at discounted price for quite some time now and I don't know how long you can get these discounted price, as sooner or later the new models are going to start shipping and supply for older model will dry up. If possible, try to get your front speakers now, as timbre matching (at least) front speakers is critical. Primus 250s or 360s with C25 is what I would suggest getting first.

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I know every one raves about the 360's but live in an apartment and the room is only 12 X 14 so I'm thinking the 360 is a bit too much speaker for the space. Also what do you all think about 5.1/7.1 with just 150's or just 160's considering the space.

I think you will be fine with 360s in your room (if you don't have a issue with the placement), just because it is a big speaker and can play loud, you don't have to test its limit.

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and will make a decision on replacing the sub after I get them because I expect to spend another $300 on a sub but I'm willing to spend less if i can

BIC H-100 sub is one of the highly recommended subs for around $200 budget.
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Hi,
Hoping someone may be able to shed some light on a phase issue...

PIONEER VSX-1016TXV RECEIVER with Infinity:
Center: C25
Left and Right: C250
Surrounds x4: 150 Bookshelf
Subwoofer: PS12

I was running a phase test with Avid DVD and find that the surrounds are out of phase with the fronts....
The 150's are all in phase to each other, and likewise the fronts and center.

I have checked all wiring and it is correct, + to + - to - on all speakers.

Could the phase of the Bookshelves be switch to the fronts or is this an amp timing thing that I know noting about...

Thanks for the help

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After much wait, I decided to go with the 360's and C25 center from Crutchfield. Hopefully this works out well. I am using the Onkyo TX-SR504 receiver and was thinking of adding a BIC H-100. For now that is all I will use. As soon as I save up a little more I will purchase some surrounds and maybe a component rack. Any recommendation for these?
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As soon as I save up a little more I will purchase some surrounds and maybe a component rack. Any recommendation for these?

Primus 150s will work just fine for surrounds.

If your DIY skills are any good, you can make good component rack for cheap. Check this out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=685721
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Does the 360 sound better than Bose. What reciever should i use to get the best out of it.
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I'm trying to buy a pair of tower standing or book shelf for music.
and now, my budget is pretty limited
so, I got two choices:
1. primus 160 *2
2. primus 250 *2

those two got very similiar tech spec, and the difference is that 250 is tower standing while 160 the bookshelf.
160 use one 6.5" woofer while 250 use two 5.25" woofers.

can you guys give some buying advice for me?
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Does the 360 sound better than Bose. What reciever should i use to get the best out of it.

Ummm.....well there is a common saying for Bose: No Highs, No Lows, Must be Bose I am not a Bose fan. I think they "turn up" the midrange in their speakers way too much. If you are limited on space and have someone in the house who doesn't like large speakers...well then you have a harder trade.

As far as receivers go, you will gte lots of opinions on this one. Personally, My vote (under $1k) goes towards the Harman Kardon AVR line of receivers. Denon is very good as well, and some of Onkyo and Yamaha's stuff sounds good too, you just have to be more careful not to get the lower end stuff with these last two companies. I had a Yamaha that I replaced with my HK ($300 Yamaha Rx) and it was no match at all...of course I stole my HK on clearance for $300 as well

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The thing that I have often wondered on receivers is the following:
Every RX that I have looked at the manual on, with the exception of HK and some Denons, lists the input AC power requirements as less than the output power they claim to have. For instance the Yamaha RX-V2600 listed as a 7 x 130 watt receiver, or 910 watts. It's AC power consumption requirements are listed as 500 Watts if you look at the label on the back of the device next to the power plug....that's a neat trick, more power out than in Whereas if you look at an HK receiver like the AVR 245 for example, it is listed as 7 x 50 watt out, or 350 watts total, and 540 watt input, a conversion efficiency of about 65%, which sounds right.

I'm sorry, a little off-topic here, but it was just a question that has been bugging me for awhile.
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Thanks for all the inputI took the plunge and ordered 2 360s and the c25 for about $500, shipping and tax was 110 of that, excessive I think, but I still got a good deal. It's more than what I wanted to spend as I still have to get surrounds but I think the advice to get a matching front stage first was most important, especially considering the state the Primus line is in.

The 150s are so cheap comparatively that I could skip after work happy hour a couple of times and buy them out of pocket so I won't stress on thatI'll stress-out on the Sub!

Well, I gotta rethink my space a bit and that usually means a little more $ to get it rightdamn, this hobby is getting expensive.

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Since i'm only be using two channel with the 360, so does the Harman Kardon HK3480 Stereo Receiver is more match than the HK-AVR line. I'll be using this system for music only.
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Off Topic Question
The thing that I have often wondered on receivers is the following:
Every RX that I have looked at the manual on, with the exception of HK and some Denons, lists the input AC power requirements as less than the output power they claim to have. For instance the Yamaha RX-V2600 listed as a 7 x 130 watt receiver, or 910 watts. It's AC power consumption requirements are listed as 500 Watts if you look at the label on the back of the device next to the power plug....that's a neat trick, more power out than in Whereas if you look at an HK receiver like the AVR 245 for example, it is listed as 7 x 50 watt out, or 350 watts total, and 540 watt input, a conversion efficiency of about 65%, which sounds right.

I'm sorry, a little off-topic here, but it was just a question that has been bugging me for awhile.

I know the feeling...I've got a cheap 100w yamaha sub with a 45w consumption.

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Since i'm only be using two channel with the 360, so does the Harman Kardon HK3480 Stereo Receiver is more match than the HK-AVR line. I'll be using this system for music only.

It's only about a $70 difference between an AVR245 and an HK3480 in reality. For the extra $70 I would get the extra flexibility of the 7.1 receiver. The HK3480 would work fine for 2 channel but if you want to do SACD or DVD Audio anytime in the future you would not have the capability.
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It's only about a $70 difference between an AVR245 and an HK3480 in reality. For the extra $70 I would get the extra flexibility of the 7.1 receiver. The HK3480 would work fine for 2 channel but if you want to do SACD or DVD Audio anytime in the future you would not have the capability.

I fully agree!!! There's something to consider when looking at 2-channel receivers with subwoofer outputs - many don't offer a crossover option. The stereo receiver from Outlaw is one such receiver that provides the crossover option, but its price is at $599. Getting a home theater receiver, and used only for stereo gives you the flexibility of using a crossover.

Sure, some people could say that using the crossover on the subwoofer itself might be a good enough alternative. Well, yes, that is also a good consideration. However, when I had my stereo integrated amp with a subwoofer pre-out, I also owned the SVS PB10-ISD subwoofer, which doesn't offer a built-in crossover feature.
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A few questions for the group:

1) Is there any difference other than cosmetic between the 360's and the 362's?
2) My local vanns is offering the 360's at $400/pair and the 362's at $500/pair. Can I do better than this?
3) How well do you feel the 360's or 362's as mains would match up with a pair of JBL S38-II's as surronds in a 6.1 setup?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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I received my new speakers last week and finally got a chance to hook everything up on Saturday. I bought:

2 P362's
1 PC350
2 P142's
1 PS212 Sub

These speakers are replacing a set of 5 really small Yamaha speakers and an 8" Yamaha sub. I am blown away at the difference in sound. I am still using the Yamaha receiver that came with the HTIB, but it is adequate. The center sounds really full and I really like the tone. It is big though. I had to buy an omnimount rack to hold it. The 362's seem to do a good job as well. I switched the sub off to listen to how they reproduce the lows, and they sound great. Very pleasant. I bought 142's because they have the threaded insert on the back and I needed to mount my rears on the wall. These are the smallest in the new Primus line, but are still much bigger and sound better than my old speakers. The 12'" sub is amazing, a lot different than my previous sub. This thing will shake the house. I like the look of the new series better that the 360's, etc. My wife didn't complain about the new stuff either. Overall, I am very pleased. I shouldn't feel a need to upgrade any time soon. I bought all of it together from officetronics for $1087 shipped. They were a little slow with the tracking info. The speakers arrive the same day the email arrived with the tracking info.
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I have a question.
I was trying to find a Primus 250 grille because I broke one of the posts on mine accidentally when I tried to remove the grille from the speaker. Unfortunately, the Primus 250 grille was discontinued from the Infinity support site.

Does anyone know how I can order a replacement for this grille?

Thnx!
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I have a question.
I was trying to find a Primus 250 grille because I broke one of the posts on mine accidentally when I tried to remove the grille from the speaker. Unfortunately, the Primus 250 grille was discontinued from the Infinity support site.

Does anyone know how I can order a replacement for this grille?

Thnx!

It seems it is out-of-stock, but try calling or emailing Infinity any way
http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_br...ts=PRIMUS250BK
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i have the 360 c25 AND 150 USEING H/K 245 RECIEVER SHOULD I GET THE PS 10 OR THE PS 12 WITH THIS SET UP. ALSO ANY BODY HAVE ANY REVIEWS OR NEWS ON THE H/K 245 JUST GOT 3 DAYS AGO SEEMS TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR $350.00 I PAID FOR IT ANY COMMENTS OR ADVICE WOULD BE APPRECIATED
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i have the 360 c25 AND 150 USEING H/K 245 RECIEVER SHOULD I GET THE PS 10 OR THE PS 12 WITH THIS SET UP. ALSO ANY BODY HAVE ANY REVIEWS OR NEWS ON THE H/K 245 JUST GOT 3 DAYS AGO SEEMS TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR $350.00 I PAID FOR IT ANY COMMENTS OR ADVICE WOULD BE APPRECIATED

You are using almost the exact same setup that I have, a different number on the AVR receiver but everything else is the same. I personally don't have either of the Infinity subs. I have a JBL Northridge 12" 250 watt sub that sounds awesome. It used to sell at Best Buy for $600 and I piecked it up for under $250 when CompUSA was closing out of it's audio stuff. I think they can be had on E-Bay for about the same price, and the 10" version can be had for under $200 including shipping. Really an amazing speaker.
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Should I use 12AWG or 14AWG or 16AWP speaker cable?

Screw or Solder Type Banana plugs?

Are the mono price cables any good? Recommend anything else?

Thanks.
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Should I use 12AWG or 14AWG or 16AWP speaker cable?

Depends on how long the max cable runs are going to be. For typical setups with less than 40-45' runs, go with 14 gauge (even 16 gauge is fine up to 40-45' with 8 ohm speakers).

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Screw or Solder Type Banana plugs?

I use screw type banana plugs, but was reading customer review of monoprice solder type banana plugs on monoprice.com and people seems to be using that without soldering too. Take a look at those reviews, they also have steps for how to connect them to the wire without soldering.

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Are the mono price cables any good? Recommend anything else?

Thanks.

They are fine, but most types of speaker wire are out-of-stock at monoprice. Home Depot and Lowes also sell speaker wire at reasonable price, so check them out too.
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Has anyone seen the new Primus series in stores yet? Have they retained the old pricing, or gone up?
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A few questions for the group:

1) Is there any difference other than cosmetic between the 360's and the 362's?
2) My local vanns is offering the 360's at $400/pair and the 362's at $500/pair. Can I do better than this?
3) How well do you feel the 360's or 362's as mains would match up with a pair of JBL S38-II's as surronds in a 6.1 setup?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Has anyone seen the new Primus series in stores yet? Have they retained the old pricing, or gone up?

I have not seen them in any store yet, but some people have got them and posted on this thread. Check out post# 413 by DJDiggler in this thread.

At this moment new models (P362) are about $150-200/pair more than old ones (Primus 360). Vanns has the new P362 in stock for $299 each.
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A few questions for the group:

1) Is there any difference other than cosmetic between the 360's and the 362's?
2) My local vanns is offering the 360's at $400/pair and the 362's at $500/pair. Can I do better than this?
3) How well do you feel the 360's or 362's as mains would match up with a pair of JBL S38-II's as surronds in a 6.1 setup?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

1. I have not heard the P362, but from published specs they seems to be only cosmetic changes.

2. Perhaps not by much. If you include shipping etc, you might be able to save $50 or so. There is nothing like buying from local store, just in case you don't like them and have to return it, no return shipping is needed. Just make sure your local store does not charge restocking fee though. If they have both models, you might be able to compare them in the store, so thats another advantage.

3. I have not heard JBL S38-II's, but matching surround is not that critical for most HT setup. You should be fine.
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Has anyone seen the new Primus series in stores yet? Have they retained the old pricing, or gone up?

I listened to the 362's this weekend at a local Vann's. They were priced at $250/speaker, and the 360's were $200/speaker.
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I listened to the 362's this weekend at a local Vann's. They were priced at $250/speaker, and the 360's were $200/speaker.


Did you notice any difference?

From what i understand the changes are cosmetic and they retained the sound quality of the previous generation.

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thanks for your reply i will look ant the jbl subs thanks again
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The 360's were on closeout at a local chain, here in NJ, for $195/pair.
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