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so i was reading around various forums about the kef Q series, and came across something on several forums, about bi wiring actually helping the sound of these speakers, due to the kef bridge posts not giving a great connection.

now i know the common idea around here is that there is basically no difference between bi wiring and jumpers on most speakers, and it sounds like these people suffering from wire upgrade placebo, but considering how many times i read this (4-5 separate threads/forums) I'm curious if anyone here has tried it.. running 12 ga mono price wire now, could double up the strands and bi wire if it'll help but I'm thinking it'll be a waste of time so i figured id ask if anyone here has tried it first.

there is no way that bi-wiring can give any benefit as the same power flows thru both wires meaning that the speaker isn't getting any more power than it did before. bi-amping has a much greater effect.
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HOLY CRAP dude. 0db, that's nuts. The most I've cranked my kef's to was -20 and I felt like my chest was gonna cave in. Not to mention all the picture frames in the house are now off center

I know it was very loud and watched one of the couple of scenes only for 10-15mins...point I wanted to make was I didn't notice any distortion at this volume with KEF I know it's almost impossible watch whole movie at this level
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I have a set of Kef T305's, I am fairly happy with my set but the mid bass out of the satelites could be a bit deeper or richer.
I was able to borrow a friends Kef KHT2005. He lent me 2 of the KHT's so I was able to connect them to my reciever and A/B them (the reciever has an A/B switch to swap between the speakers) The KHT2005 had much better midbass than my T305's. also when listening to music the vocals were much richer in the KHT's. The highs on the uni-q seemed more precise than the T series. Although the T-series highs seemed to have better dispersion.

I think it's the trade off for having such a slim speaker.

thanks for info... still debating what to do... conflicted with this Kef set or B&W CM5

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thanks for info... still debating what to do... conflicted with this Kef set or B&W CM5

Although the T-series is pretty good for a thin speaker.
The CM5's will give you noticeably better sound.
The T-series would look nice if you were to wall mount them, and would match a thin LCD or LED.
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if they will order you the q900s for not too much more id go that way, i had a chance to compare the 7 and 900s directly and the 900s have quite a bit more midrange and bass than the 700 and sound fuller.. not to say the 700s aren't an outstanding sounding speaker.. for any of the 300,700 or 900s id go for the 600c for the center as it is the same size driver as the 3/700s and closest to the 900.. the 200c is the match for the smaller bookshelves and 500 towers

How would the Q100s do as surrounds? Or would you just recommend going with the Q300s. With a Q700s LR?

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How would the Q100s do as surrounds? Or would you just recommend going with the Q300s. With a Q700s LR?


I'm sure they would do fine, personally I'm going with 300s just because they are closer in driver size to the 600c and 900's but thats just my opinion and the price is close enough that i feel i might as well
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Anybody know if the sound quality for an in wall speaker would be better than the t305 on walls? Like i'm just saying in general for the money do on wall or in wall speakers have better sound quality?

Also THX shows the front left and front right speakers should be pointed at the listening area. Wouldn't that mean that if I had the T305 series that my L and R speakers wouldn't be pointing in the right directions since they can only go straight forward off of the wall?
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I have kef 3005 and I wish to upgrade the sound quality. I presently have an onkyo TX NR3008. Budget is limited and I was thinking of using kef Q300 for fronts and Q600c for center and using the speakers from 3005 as surrounds and rear speakers. Would this be fine or should I sell off the 3005 and get perhaps Q100 for surrounds and no rears. Rears as it going to be a challenge as my seating is right at the back wall. The only thing I could think is if I Put rear a little high near the ceiling and point them down.

I do intend on changing the sub of kef3005 and replacing it with perhaps elemental design A300 sub.
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I had the same humming problem with my KEF C4 sub till a couple days ago. Your sub cable is running too close to a power wire, power bar. Create some space between them or get a shielded cable and that hum will go away

You are a genius my man, didnt think it would work but just tried moving the wires and bingo, forever in your debt
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I mostly use my set-up for 60% movies and 40% music.

I trying to decide between Q300 with decent sub vs. Q700 or Q900.
I will be going with the Q600c center.

Please share your thoughts to help me decide.

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I mostly use my set-up for 60% movies and 40% music.

I trying to decide between Q300 with decent sub vs. Q700 or Q900.
I will be going with the Q600c center.

Please share your thoughts to help me decide.

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the q900s put out an impressive amount of bass/midrange for music, however they are not going to dig down to ~20 hz for shaking the house during movies.. so you'll have to decide.. personally i think they make enough bass to get you buy for movies for now until you decide to buy a sub down the road, and IMO music should be played in 2 ch pure direct mode anyways, so your sub would be off in that case.

my vote is the 900s
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Can i use KEF700 speaker as center speaker? i will be using it in horizontally, in a cabinet.
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Can i use KEF700 (horizontally) speaker as center speaker? thanks

Why are you so dead-set on using a speaker not intended for that purpose, horizontally, as your center channel speaker. Why would you not, first, consider using a KEF center channel speaker.

BTW, whether it's an actual "center channel speaker" or not, you need to get a speaker for that position that matches the Dali front speakers that you already have.

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Can i use KEF700 speaker as center speaker? i will be using it in horizontally, in a cabinet.
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the Q700? that is a uni-q driver on the top, with a passive radiator then a midrange and another passive radiator going down the speaker..

if you put it on its side, the midrange/tweeter would be several feet off center, this is not a good idea at all.
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the Q700? that is a uni-q driver on the top, with a passive radiator then a midrange and another passive radiator going down the speaker..

if you put it on its side, the midrange/tweeter would be several feet off center, this is not a good idea at all.

Well, it would probably work better than most tower speakers as the coincidentally-arrayed driver would function identically. Still, I don't understand why anyone would consider doing this when the standard KEF center channel offerings are great speakers specifically because of that driver arrangement.

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Well, it would probably work better than most tower speakers as the coincidentally-arrayed driver would function identically. Still, I don't understand why anyone would consider doing this when the standard KEF center channel offerings are great speakers specifically because of that driver arrangement.



the q600c is also a 3 way design where the q700 is a 2.5 way IIRC, so technically speaking the 600c is a better speaker design overall.
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the q600c is also a 3 way design where the q700 is a 2.5 way iirc, so technically speaking the 600c is a better speaker design overall.

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the q600c is also a 3 way design where the q700 is a 2.5 way IIRC, so technically speaking the 600c is a better speaker design overall.

arguable

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Why are you so dead-set on using a speaker not intended for that purpose, horizontally, as your center channel speaker. Why would you not, first, consider using a KEF center channel speaker.

BTW, whether it's an actual "center channel speaker" or not, you need to get a speaker for that position that matches the Dali front speakers that you already have.)

to sivadselim,

ok, as u know i have the helicon 800 (1st generation- still new) and the denon 5308ci receiver and buying a comparable center is going to be over 2k easily. And at this point i don't want to spend over 600 on center channel but still like to get a nice powerful channel to keep up with the setup and room size (25' x 25'). And there are so many good front speakers that can be had for very good price; even used ones, so i thought i ask around for this advice. a good center speaker is tough to get at good price. i had these speakers and receiver for while but never ended up setting them up properly...so i tying to get the setup running and just trying to save money; since times ain't going that great me for....
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to sivadselim,

ok, as u know i have the helicon 800 (1st generation- still new) and the denon 5308ci receiver and buying a comparable center is going to be over 2k easily. And at this point i don't want to spend over 600 on center channel but still like to get a nice powerful channel to keep up with the setup and room size (25' x 25'). And there are so many good front speakers that can be had for very good price; even used ones, so i thought i ask around for this advice. a good center speaker is tough to get at good price. i had these speakers and receiver for while but never ended up setting them up properly...so i tying to get the setup running and just trying to save money; since times ain't going that great me for....

If I were you, I would just use a phantom center setting on the AVR (I assume that is what you have been doing). Then you don't spend a thing.

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If I were you, I would just use a phantom center setting on the AVR (I assume that is what you have been doing). Then you don't spend a thing.

Highly considering this option....at this point and nope, never actually setup these speakers, yet...so haven't been using fronts as center, yet. Just may spend saved money on subs..considering 2 subwoofers 12"..or should i go with 2 10" subwoofers?
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Hi. Newbie to this forum. :-)

I have a pair of Q4's at the front of my AV system, bi amped by a Denon Av1906 amp with a yamaha sub. Watching films is great; However, I find music listening (in particular classical (particularly symphonic)) quite a struggle. There seems to be quite a harsh peak in the mids (around 1-2k ish) and a big hole at the lower mid / upper bass end that I just can't seem to cover with the sub even if I raise the crossover.

I've checked cables for polarity, tried different CD players - went both digi and analogue and still no luck.

i did try running an alternate CD player through my studio desk and putting a hefty wallop of low shelf at 80Hz on and it certainly improves things a lot. So I found an old JVC stereo amp and ran that from the pre -out of the denon. Raising the bass control on the JVC amp (I assume it;s just a baxendale low shelf) again certainly helped things. The Q4s certainly seem able to take the bottom end, with the the 80 HZ shelf well up you could feel it through the floor (even with the sub off), but it seems like they need to be pushed to do it.

Is this a common problem with these?

I had some cheapo eltax speakers with the denon before the Q4s and although there was nowhere near the clarity, they definitely had a lot more punch on the low end.
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I don't know when I'll get around to actually assembling a hi-fi setup, but I've found myself drawn to KEF floorstanding speakers. My desire is to run a 2.0 setup, and I'm torn between between the Q900's and R900's. Obviously the R series is better, but it's about 2.5 times the price. Also seems like the R series hasn't quite gotten over to Canada yet...

Also, for those who own the Q900's, how much wattage have you found to be necessary for enjoying them without any clipping or other issues?
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I have a pair of Q4's at the front of my AV system, bi amped by a Denon Av1906 amp with a yamaha sub. Watching films is great; However, I find music listening (in particular classical (particularly symphonic)) quite a struggle. There seems to be quite a harsh peak in the mids (around 1-2k ish) and a big hole at the lower mid / upper bass end that I just can't seem to cover with the sub even if I raise the crossover.

How do they sound when running full-range without the sub?

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I don't know when I'll get around to actually assembling a hi-fi setup, but I've found myself drawn to KEF floorstanding speakers. My desire is to run a 2.0 setup, and I'm torn between between the Q900's and R900's. Obviously the R series is better, but it's about 2.5 times the price. Also seems like the R series hasn't quite gotten over to Canada yet...

Also, for those who own the Q900's, how much wattage have you found to be necessary for enjoying them without any clipping or other issues?



any good receiver will run them, i have a marantz that runs them just fine, I am running them off a 275wpc power amp, but tried them just off the 110w marantz and they sounded fine.
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any good receiver will run them, i have a marantz that runs them just fine, I am running them off a 275wpc power amp, but tried them just off the 110w marantz and they sounded fine.

Well, that's good news. At the moment my rough plan is for the Marantz AV7005 & MM7025 to be paired with the Q900's. About $5k CAD for them all as far as i can tell.

I'm sure there would be benefits to spending more, but that seems a good price/performance situation.
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Hi guys, I'm looking for advice on a setup. I initially started a thread for open recommendations, but after looking at prices and reading numerous reviews, I think I'm going to try out KEF. Unfortunately, I have nowhere I can audition them, so I'll have to go off what I've read, etc. Unless of course someone knows a dealer in the Houston area..

You can check my setup here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1388468

I'm thinking of going with the (2)q300, (1)q600c, a sub (not sure which yet, but it will be 12"...hsu, rythmik, etc.) and possibly later for the rears, the q100.

I wanted some input on a receiver for a setup like this. Any suggestions? I understand Denon is a good match with KEF, but I'm not too familiar with home audio and how to match them up.
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Hi guys, I'm looking for advice on a setup. I initially started a thread for open recommendations, but after looking at prices and reading numerous reviews, I think I'm going to try out KEF. Unfortunately, I have nowhere I can audition them, so I'll have to go off what I've read, etc. Unless of course someone knows a dealer in the Houston area..

You can check my setup here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1388468

I'm thinking of going with the (2)q300, (1)q600c, a sub (not sure which yet, but it will be 12"...hsu, rythmik, etc.) and possibly later for the rears, the q100.

I wanted some input on a receiver for a setup like this. Any suggestions? I understand Denon is a good match with KEF, but I'm not too familiar with home audio and how to match them up.

I'm no expert, but it looks like you're matching driver sizes, so that's good.

I would personally suggest going with the Q700's in the front, and then later the Q300's for the surround. But that is partially due to fondness for floorstanding speakers that don't require a stand.
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I'm no expert, but it looks like you're matching driver sizes, so that's good.

I would personally suggest going with the Q700's in the front, and then later the Q300's for the surround. But that is partially due to fondness for floorstanding speakers that don't require a stand.

I think I would rather start smaller. I can get the q300 and use as front stage and then if I feel I'm lacking, upgrade to the q700 and move the q300 to the rear. Otherwise, just stick with my initial plan since adding the q700 in the mix also adds quite a bit to the cost. Also, it's especially hard since I have nowhere to audition any of them.
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I think I would rather start smaller. I can get the q300 and use as front stage and then if I feel I'm lacking, upgrade to the q700 and move the q300 to the rear. Otherwise, just stick with my initial plan since adding the q700 in the mix also adds quite a bit to the cost. Also, it's especially hard since I have nowhere to audition any of them.

Fair enough, it would just suck to get all 5 channels, then end up with no use for the Q100's if you wanted to upgrade the front. Of course, then 7.1 becomes an option if you have a receiver/amp to support it.
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