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Well, I can upgrade the receiver. I'm just not sure which one yet. Like I said, I'm thinking $3000 total. That's not including the projector since I'm using points for that. But I will check out the golden ears.
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It would better to look for more efficient speakers rather than a more powerful amp/receiver. If the speaker sensitivity remains the same and a 3dB increase in sound pressure (loudness) at the Main Listening Position (MLP) is required, then the amp needs 2x the power. I.e. 90W ---> 180W. A 3dB increase in loudness is just noticeable by most people. For a doubling in loudness, there needs to be 10dB increase in sound pressure. Unfortunately that means 10x the power requirement, i.e. 90W ---> 900W...

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Nicktx27,

It would better to look for more efficient speakers rather than a more powerful amp/receiver. If the speaker sensitivity remains the same and a 3dB increase in sound pressure (loudness) at the Main Listening Position (MLP) is required, then the amp needs 2x the power. I.e. 90W ---> 180W. A 3dB increase in loudness is just noticeable by most people. For a doubling in loudness, there needs to be 10dB increase in sound pressure. Unfortunately that means 10x the power requirement, i.e. 90W ---> 900W...
Wow!
Well, I'm trying to do the room on a fairly modest budget. My quintet II sound really good in that room. My sub is the PSW505.
I'm mainly looking for something that will give me good crisp sound for movies and games, that is slim and on wall for mounting behind an AT screen. Not really looking for reference sound right now.

ETA: so the 301s freq range is 80hz-30khz and my sub is 23hz-160hz. If is set the crossover at 120hz I should be ok. I'm pretty sure that's what it's set to now.

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Planning to post this message to the KEF, MA and Canton threads. Hate to spam the board but definitely interested in everyone's perspective.

I'm narrowing down my speaker search and KEF are on the short list. At roughly the same price, here are the KEF and non-KEF options I'm considering. Please rank them from best to worst, or give you opinions. I will be connecting them to a Yamaha rxv1075 and mostly listening to Vinyl. But also some CDs, movies and sports. Here's my shortlist:

Monitor Audio Silver 6
Canton GLE 490.2
Canton Karat 770DC
KEF Q900
Canton Chrono 509.2
Canton Ergo 607 DC
Monitor Audio Silver 8

For what it's worth, my wife prefers wood tone to shiny black/white, so all things being equal I'd lean that way. But, ultimately, my main consideration is sound....especially vinyl (everything from jazz to classical to old school funk to punk, metal and garage rock). I may want to add a centre channel later but for now going 2.0.

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Planning to post this message to the KEF, MA and Canton threads. Hate to spam the board but definitely interested in everyone's perspective.

I'm narrowing down my speaker search and KEF are on the short list. At roughly the same price, here are the KEF and non-KEF options I'm considering. Please rank them from best to worst, or give you opinions. I will be connecting them to a Yamaha rxv1075 and mostly listening to Vinyl. But also some CDs, movies and sports. Here's my shortlist:

Monitor Audio Silver 6
Canton GLE 490.2
Canton Karat 770DC
KEF Q900
Canton Chrono 509.2
Canton Ergo 607 DC
Monitor Audio Silver 8

For what it's worth, my wife prefers wood tone to shiny black/white, so all things being equal I'd lean that way. But, ultimately, my main consideration is sound....especially vinyl (everything from jazz to classical to old school funk to punk, metal and garage rock). I may want to add a centre channel later but for now going 2.0.

thanks.
From my listening I would say the q900's would best the monitor 6's but I would suggest you listen to the cantons and the monitor audio 8's and the q900's before you decide. They all have characteristics that you will need to listen to for some time and make a subjective listening decision .

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Wow!
ETA: so the 301s freq range is 80hz-30khz and my sub is 23hz-160hz. If is set the crossover at 120hz I should be ok. I'm pretty sure that's what it's set to now.
Nicktx27,

The F3 (-3dB) point on the KEF E301 is actually 90Hz. KEF recommends not going lower than this - higher is okay...

Any modern AVR will determine what the F3 is going to be in the room. Using the E301, if it is below 90Hz, you would need to manually adjust it back up. If it is higher, then leave it as it is.

As an example in my room, on the AVR, Audyssey had determined the F3 settings are:

Fronts: 60Hz
Center: 100Hz
Surrounds: 60Hz

I went into the menu and manually adjusted the crossover so that all are at 100Hz. Using REW, I then ran low frequency sweeps (15Hz to 300Hz) at various sub distances with the center channel to see where the smoothest response at the crossover would be. Best response came out to be -1.5' from the default setting.

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Nicktx27,

The F3 (-3dB) point on the KEF E301 is actually 90Hz. KEF recommends not going lower than this - higher is okay...

Any modern AVR will determine what the F3 is going to be in the room. Using the E301, if it is below 90Hz, you would need to manually adjust it back up. If it is higher, then leave it as it is.

As an example in my room, on the AVR, Audyssey had determined the F3 settings are:

Fronts: 60Hz
Center: 100Hz
Surrounds: 60Hz

I went into the menu and manually adjusted the crossover so that all are at 100Hz. Using REW, I then ran low frequency sweeps (15Hz to 300Hz) at various sub distances with the center channel to see where the smoothest response at the crossover would be. Best response came out to be -2.5' from the default setting.

Once I figure out how to post pictures into AVS, will include a graph of this.
Interesting. I'm still torn and cannot find anywhere to audition these darn things. I'll have to try again once I get back in Houston. There is a place called Haylcyon, I think. Appreciate the info and look forward to your graph.
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I'm rethinking the Q900's after looking at the dimensions and measuring how they would fit into the space.  I think they will be a little imposing, and I can't get them sufficiently out away from the walls.  The best I can manage is about 20" from the sides and 12" from the back wall.  I am looking at the Q700's as the best compromise, but is the 1" tweeter good enough for my large room?  If the bass isn't enough I can add a sub later.  I just want good clarity of vocals and highs, and the Q35's I have now are only a 6.5" mid and 3/4" tweeter.  
 
I am also rethinking the amp situation, leaning towards the NAD integrated that has had great reviews.  This should be sufficient at 50 W/C to get the best from the Q700's and their 88db sensitivity, correct?   
Well, I went with the Q700's because the 900's were just too big. I got a great deal from a local shop and set them up on Saturday. HUGE difference coming from the Q35's, as expected, especially with the bass. I went with the rosewood finish which I think looks more furniture-like, and they look and sound fantastic. Would the Q900's sound better? Likely. Am I happy with these? Absolutely. I was curious about amp requirements but my Denon stereo receiver with 60wpc is driving them easily so my plan for an integrated amp at 45-50 wpc won't be a problem. I'm still trying out various CDs to see how the speakers perform, but quite impressed so far - they do a great job with Ray Lamontagne's Till the Sun Turns Black and the gritty resonant vocals, Miles Davis, Gorillaz, Laura Marling - all good, but I may still ad a sub down the road.
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Planning to post this message to the KEF, MA and Canton threads. Hate to spam the board but definitely interested in everyone's perspective.

I'm narrowing down my speaker search and KEF are on the short list. At roughly the same price, here are the KEF and non-KEF options I'm considering. Please rank them from best to worst, or give you opinions. I will be connecting them to a Yamaha rxv1075 and mostly listening to Vinyl. But also some CDs, movies and sports. Here's my shortlist:

Monitor Audio Silver 6
Canton GLE 490.2
Canton Karat 770DC
KEF Q900
Canton Chrono 509.2
Canton Ergo 607 DC
Monitor Audio Silver 8

For what it's worth, my wife prefers wood tone to shiny black/white, so all things being equal I'd lean that way. But, ultimately, my main consideration is sound....especially vinyl (everything from jazz to classical to old school funk to punk, metal and garage rock). I may want to add a centre channel later but for now going 2.0.

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I'd go for R series over Q tbh. Q900 probably similar in price to R300.

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Hey guys. I'm just getting into the audio side of home theaters and have decided to go with Kef Speakers. I just ordered the following for a 7.1 setup:

2xQ900
2xQ600c
2xQ800ds
2xQ300

I have the Denon X4000 receiver. Will it be able to power these speakers ok? I was hoping to get by without an external amp if possible. I read an article where the Q900's should be rated as 4 ohm speakers and it has me worried.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/k...r-measurements

I would really like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks

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Hey guys. I'm just getting into the audio side of home theaters and have decided to go with Kef Speakers. I just ordered the following for a 7.1 setup:

2xQ900
2xQ600c
2xQ800ds
2xQ300

I have the Denon X4000 receiver. Will it be able to power these speakers ok? I was hoping to get by without an external amp if possible. I read an article where the Q900's should be rated as 4 ohm speakers and it has me worried.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/k...r-measurements

I would really like to here your thoughts.

Thanks
The X4000 can handle 4 ohms too. If you are perturbed, just set all speakers to small, XO to 80Hz, and let the subs do all the heavy lifting.
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The X4000 can handle 4 ohms too. If you are perturbed, just set all speakers to small, XO to 80Hz, and let the subs do all the heavy lifting.
That's exactly what I was thinking of doing after have read through the forums. Thanks a lot! I appreciate it.
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Advice replace KEF Q1

Hi, I posted this a separate topic but posted here as well at the advice of a forum member.

What should I do? Broken KEF Q1

Hello all,

Been out of the game for a while - bought the Q1 series KEF speaker package probably 10 years ago. Been very happy with them with the exception of the sub (kept blowing out - replaced). The set-up:

2 Q1 bookshelf
1 Q9C center
2 Q compact surround

Well, one of the front bookshelves fell this weekend - anything low-end that plays on it now crackles and pops - I am assuming the speaker is done.

My question is - what should I replace here? Is there another speaker I should match with the q9c? Should I replace everything? I really don't want to spend a ton of cash on speakers at this point. I didn't see any used Q1s for sale for a quick fix. I know I need the same brand for the 2 bookshelf speakers - but can I match any other pair with the center channel?

At any rate, like I said, I have not been keeping up in speakers for a while. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Not sure how much I need to spend to match the Q series quality.

Thanks!

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Hi, I posted this a separate topic but posted here as well at the advice of a forum member.

What should I do? Broken KEF Q1

Hello all,

Been out of the game for a while - bought the Q1 series KEF speaker package probably 10 years ago. Been very happy with them with the exception of the sub (kept blowing out - replaced). The set-up:

2 Q1 bookshelf
1 Q9C center
2 Q compact surround

Well, one of the front bookshelves fell this weekend - anything low-end that plays on it now crackles and pops - I am assuming the speaker is done.

My question is - what should I replace here? Is there another speaker I should match with the q9c? Should I replace everything? I really don't want to spend a ton of cash on speakers at this point. I didn't see any used Q1s for sale for a quick fix. I know I need the same brand for the 2 bookshelf speakers - but can I match any other pair with the center channel?

At any rate, like I said, I have not been keeping up in speakers for a while. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Not sure how much I need to spend to match the Q series quality.

Thanks!

Mike
Are you wanting to stay with bookshelf speakers? Budget? IQ30s would be a good match.
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Hi, I posted this a separate topic but posted here as well at the advice of a forum member.

What should I do? Broken KEF Q1

Hello all,

Been out of the game for a while - bought the Q1 series KEF speaker package probably 10 years ago. Been very happy with them with the exception of the sub (kept blowing out - replaced). The set-up:

2 Q1 bookshelf
1 Q9C center
2 Q compact surround

Well, one of the front bookshelves fell this weekend - anything low-end that plays on it now crackles and pops - I am assuming the speaker is done.

My question is - what should I replace here? Is there another speaker I should match with the q9c? Should I replace everything? I really don't want to spend a ton of cash on speakers at this point. I didn't see any used Q1s for sale for a quick fix. I know I need the same brand for the 2 bookshelf speakers - but can I match any other pair with the center channel?

At any rate, like I said, I have not been keeping up in speakers for a while. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Not sure how much I need to spend to match the Q series quality.

Thanks!

Mike

You can buy a replacement driver for your q1 at reconingspeakers.com

It's 125 dollars. And probably very easy to drop in.


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Are you wanting to stay with bookshelf speakers? Budget? IQ30s would be a good match.
I would say I would like to stay under $1,000 if I am just replacing the bookshelves. Maybe $1,500 for all 3 fronts. I am open to either bookshelf or towers.

I did hear about the IQ30s - they do look like pretty much exactly the same speaker. Couldn't seem to find any for sale. There was a used pair on ebay for $400 which seems high (and they weren't black like the rest of my speakers). If you know of any other site that might have them - let me know!
@dftkell - thanks for the info. I will strongly consider this.

Thanks for the help guys - much appreciated.

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I would suggest you look at the newer Kef Q series or B&W's new 600S2 series. The 600's finally have a decent center but Kef's centers are always quite good. Should be able to get 10-20% better than MSRP.
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Can anyone recommend me a wall mount for KEF R100s?

Long story short, I bought 2 pairs intended for media room surrounds and the home builder keeps trying to convince me on in ceiling KEF ci200qr saying they will sound the same and look a lot better.
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Can anyone recommend me a wall mount for KEF R100s?

Long story short, I bought 2 pairs intended for media room surrounds and the home builder keeps trying to convince me on in ceiling KEF ci200qr saying they will sound the same and look a lot better.
How about these from Amazon? : http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000X9O8SI/...=I9JGQ03P8J8LO

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Hi all... So I purchased the Kef T305 setup, as well as 2 additional 301s, and was wondering... Is their an noticeable acoustic difference between wall mounting directly to the wall vs. using the wall mount plates? Benefits of one over the other? I was planning on foregoing the plates, and thought I'd reach out to the KEF pros... You!
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Thanks, looks like they would both support the weight and the width of the R100.

I didn't know if there was anything specific to look for in terms of mounting depth. I know the R1000s are 11" deep and ideally need to be 4-6" away from the wall.
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^ kumar75150,

Amazon site says the mounting bracket can accommodate speakers up to 13" in depth. The R100 are 11" in depth so there is some space behind the speaker.

If you need further information, contact the manufacturer at their website: http://www.videosecu.com/side-clampi...peakers-ms56b/

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^ kumar75150,

Also, the R100's probably come with port bungs if you can't get the full 5" distance.
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Hi all... So I purchased the Kef T305 setup, as well as 2 additional 301s, and was wondering... Is their an noticeable acoustic difference between wall mounting directly to the wall vs. using the wall mount plates? Benefits of one over the other? I was planning on foregoing the plates, and thought I'd reach out to the KEF pros... You!
what would you be mounting them with if you didn't use the stands/wall mounts that came with them?

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what would you be mounting them with if you didn't use the stands/wall mounts that came with them?
Hi - well, there are holes on the backs of the speakers to hang them directly from some drywall screws.

I actually spoke with someone at Kef today, and he said that either way would, acoustically, work, although he did suggest that there could be some vibration if played at high volume, so the plates would help in that scenario.
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New KEF's

Hello everyone,

Here are some pics of my new custom KEF's. My previous setup used iQ10's for LRC. I was able to purchase three of the KEF Q100 uni-Q drivers myself and AJ from Soundfield Audio designed three speakers for me using my Q100 drivers mated to 8" woofers in the left and right, and dual 6" woofers in the center. Essentially they are passive versions of AJ's discontinued M1's. They sound fantastic. They are a very big step up. Listened to Sting's "Live in Berlin" last night on Blu Ray and it blew me away.

The subs are also new. I built two 18" Dayton HO subs using DIY Soundgroup's 4 cu/ft flat packs and 500 watt Dayton plate amps. After measuring and moving the subs around, the best locations were in the front and back of the room. As a result, I moved all of my AV equipment into a closet in the adjoining bedroom since I placed the sub under the TV.

The only future upgrade might be a pair of iQ800ds speakers to replace the rears. But for now, I'm really happy.

Dan
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Impressive set up.

Theater room: Sony VPL HW30ES, DIY 100" screen with Seymour Centerstage XD, 5 Revel M105, 2 JBL Studio 210, 4 SVS SB12-NSD, Anthem MRX-300
Living room: Panasonic TC-P60VT60, 3 KEF LS50, Pioneer SW-8, Marantz NR1603
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Just got done running REW on my system but had some strange readings. Please look at the graph and let me know what to do next thanks. I"m runnung KEF Q900 fronts and Q600 for center and NHT for my rears.
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