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Just received my Q900s from Accessories4Less. The box got dinged up a bit but speakers were all fine inside. I have only about 30 minutes of listening on it but I'm very pleased in 2 channel stereo on my Onkyo TX-nr807 (135 W/rms 2ch driven).

I came from a KEF Q15.2, Q50s and Q95C to Q600C with front Q900s. Imaging is very good and a major step up from the older setup I had. I heard Q700s in store, and ordered the Q900s without listening hoping for the best. Definitely glad I did, although the wife now thinks our TV feels smaller due to having such enormous towers.
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My local dealer gives 40% off msrp all KEF products new or old. Compared to this year's competition from Golden Ear, Ascend etc I think discounted KEF is still overpriced by 20%. The spent too much on marketing overhead.
where the heck is this? I only have one dealer within 50 miles and they're offering 17% off.
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where the heck is this? I only have one dealer within 50 miles and they're offering 17% off.
How much have you bought over 4 years from them?
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I heard Q700s in store, and ordered the Q900s without listening hoping for the best. Definitely glad I did, although the wife now thinks our TV feels smaller due to having such enormous towers.
Sounds like a great time to get a bigger 4k TV!!

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Sounds like a great time to get a bigger 4k TV!!
On the fence about it. We'd have to sell the existing TV (8 year old Sony 40" 720p) since we dont have a purpose for 3 TVs. I'm trying to convince her to let me get a projector
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Not sure if anyone else but me has ordered the latest KEF Reference series yet or is interested but I received confirmation date from dealer/KEF yesterday and we are looking at last week or so in December. I hope it doesn't push out further. I think they delayed once already from late summer (before I had auditioned or considered them). I was hoping for an XMAS delivery or sooner as I usually take that time off from work and this could have been play time.. oh well.


Not sure what the schedule is across the Country or if anyone has an earlier delivery date then mine? I would think I am in queue early. The wait will be worth it..


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Not sure what the schedule is across the Country or if anyone has an earlier delivery date then mine? I would think I am in queue early. The wait will be worth it..


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I believe the KEF Reference series of speakers are made in England instead of China. The ramp up in UK takes a bit longer and is more costly compared to the world's factory.

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Not sure if anyone else but me has ordered the latest KEF Reference series yet or is interested but I received confirmation date from dealer/KEF yesterday and we are looking at last week or so in December.
I was seriously considering it, but the Copper Black Aluminum finish is not available on Reference One. I was not crazy about the move to the cheaper press-board square cabinets.
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I was seriously considering it, but the Copper Black Aluminum finish is not available on Reference One. I was not crazy about the move to the cheaper press-board square cabinets.
Cheaper certainly does not reflect the price of the new reference!!!. I will be very surprised if they are as well received as the previous reference. I also doubt they exceed the excellence of the current R series. We shall see.............

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Yes if you're looking for bass both probably won't suffice. But overall the Sierra 2 with RAAL is a far better speaker than the R300 (particularly in treble) which is why I returned the KEFs after a few days. And when I say far I meant a few speakers above in rating. The R500 is a pleasing sounding speaker but same as the R300 just with more bass. I know cuz my buddy has a pair.
I like the mids on the KEF but the highs and especially the bass leave a bit to be desired. The bass seems boomy and it seems it just cant keep up with the Uni-q driver(I dont know quite how to explain, but I am overall quite unsatisfied with both the quality and quantity of the bass). Although imaging on the KEFs is superb i think I'd also prefer the more open sound of the Raal tweeters. But how do you think the mids and the bass will compare?
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I like the mids on the KEF but the highs and especially the bass leave a bit to be desired. The bass seems boomy and it seems it just cant keep up with the Uni-q driver(I dont know quite how to explain, but I am overall quite unsatisfied with both the quality and quantity of the bass). Although imaging on the KEFs is superb i think I'd also prefer the more open sound of the Raal tweeters. But how do you think the mids and the bass will compare?
I have not heard the recent Q series but from my experience the bass on all but the R series is far from boomy, might even say lean by American standards. I have heard the R700s and I thought the bass was much stronger than typical for Kef but did not feel boomy. I do agree there can be more air on other designs. Having said all that, the new Reference appears to have added the pluses from the R with that of the previous Reference line. Time will tell but don't underestimate them yet.
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KEF is usually not boomy? Setup issue maybe? One could argue that other designs are superior. The coaxial is the magic of KEF. It is very unique and has positive traits of its own. We can compare all day long on other designs. Look at Goldenear. They destroy other speakers costing 10x as much because of that magical AMT!!!!

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te1221 nice to know accessories4less still sells them. That's where I got mine a couple years ago and I'm still super satisfied with them. One tip.. I notice the mids seem more upfront if I play them at medium volume, they seem slightly recessed at really low volumes

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Cheaper certainly does not reflect the price of the new reference!!!. I will be very surprised if they are as well received as the previous reference. I also doubt they exceed the excellence of the current R series. We shall see.............
I have not got a chance to hear the R series so no comment but I do know I selected the Reference line over many other brands after extensive auditioning. The sound was phenominal and I believe is closer to Blade than R. I didn't care for the look of the old Reference line at all. The revision is beautiful in person to me. I think they will sell incredibly well. Time will tell.


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Can someone tell me a bit about the Dipole surrounds from the R line-R800ds? How are these? Are they supposed to stand mount? I was going to use my Dynaudio Focus 110 as surrounds for now as I already have spent a fair amount of money with the Reference 1 and Reference 4c center but I may give these a try. It might be a suitable fit.


Little to information I can find on if their intent was wall mount (seems a bit large for that) or stand mount. I would require stands. It would be nice if they had a dedicated stand for these like Paradigm has for their Dipoles but it appears no luck here.


Anyone here using the R800ds Dipole speakers? I have used a dipole before for surround but with Uni-q it may be a fun surround speaker.
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Can someone tell me a bit about the Dipole surrounds from the R line-R800ds? How are these? Are they supposed to stand mount?***
I have a pair. They're pretty good. Very even coverage. They aren't that big in person, and designed for wall mounting (simple keyhole mount) but you could throw them on a stand too.

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te1221 nice to know accessories4less still sells them. That's where I got mine a couple years ago and I'm still super satisfied with them. One tip.. I notice the mids seem more upfront if I play them at medium volume, they seem slightly recessed at really low volumes
I'm still tinkering with mine as I'm not yet satisfied with my setup. Midbass seems a little underwhelming, but I need to re-run my calibration on my Onkyo since they're still using the old settings.

Question for those that own a Q900. My default settings for the impedance is 6 ohms. Should i switch it to 4 ohm for the fronts being that the Q900s can dip into the 4 ohm range during playback?
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I'm still tinkering with mine as I'm not yet satisfied with my setup. Midbass seems a little underwhelming, but I need to re-run my calibration on my Onkyo since they're still using the old settings.

Question for those that own a Q900. My default settings for the impedance is 6 ohms. Should i switch it to 4 ohm for the fronts being that the Q900s can dip into the 4 ohm range during playback?
Leave it at 6 ohms as 4 ohm would just unnecessarily restrict output. They are not a true 4 ohm speaker (like my previous 103/4s were).
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Leave it at 6 ohms as 4 ohm would just unnecessarily restrict output. They are not a true 4 ohm speaker (like my previous 103/4s were).
One thing to note: my Onkyo nr807 is cool to the touch when set as 4 ohm. 8 ohm runs very hot in comparison.
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te1221 I think the way the 4 and 6 ohm settings work is.. 4 ohm speakers make the amp get hotter faster, so when you set it to 4 ohm mode, all the amp does is lower the current output to protect itself from overheating. So dynamics might not be as good and maximum volume will be lower I think. that's why it doesn't get as hot. so it's recommended to use 6 ohm mode

Here is another controversial tip for you.. I've been back and forth on both sides of this argument myself.
People say if you bi-wire the sound gets better. That it's due to a flaw in the design of the banana ports.. they use some kind of internal bridge instead of the more common metal bar that connects both speaker taps on the outside of the speaker box. So disabling the bridge and connecting 4 speaker wires per speaker supposedly improves the sound. Also if you have two amps obviously it provides more power. But the first argument about a flaw in the internal bridging is the one I believe now. My receiver does up to 7.1 so it has a bi-amp mode where you can use the height channels and the front channels both for the front two speakers in bi-amp mode, but I guess the receivers amp is just one module so all the power comes from the same place so it doesn't really give you more current to the speakers. Anyway I'm doing it and it does seem subtly better in the treble.

Also if you have an onkyo receiver, use audyssey in music mode not movie mode.. apparently movie mode rolls off the treble and music mode is flat

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My concept on biamping with a receiver is you have a per channel limit (the amp stage) and an overall limit (the power supply). The power supply usually becomes limiting after two channels in most Japanese AVRs (sometimes one) so when going multichannel benefits are extremely limited, if at all. When doing two channel there MAY be some benefits as the woofer gets to utilize the entire amp section without running into power supply limitations - more parallel paths to supply current. This is my non-electrical engineer view which may not be accurate.
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Hello.... currently I'm using R700, R600C and R300.

I'm looking at upgrading my receiver that supports Auro 3D... however I do not know what speakers will fit in with my current setup as the 2nd layer heights as well as VOG.

Can I simply use satellite speakers like the minx 11 or orb to be use as surround heights and surround centers?
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I have a pair. They're pretty good. Very even coverage. They aren't that big in person, and designed for wall mounting (simple keyhole mount) but you could throw them on a stand too.
What would you say is the major difference between those and the 300's? Do they really fill the room that much better and not directional?

Trying to decide if I should get the 800 or 300's.
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Hi all!

Been lurking a while and here's my first post.

Choosing a 2.0/1 system.

Choices are the R300+sub or R500/R700.

My room is 3m x 5.5m, preference in music is I cater to almost anything. So i'd want an all rounder.

What I've been reading is the 'R' bookshelves versus the 'R' floorstanders are basically similar in sound, but deeper bass with the floorstanders.

Points me to the direction that I should get the R300 and sub for a more "complete" sound. Although I'm open to getting a R500/700 and add a sub much later on (emphasis on much), but wouldnt adding a sub makes the bass in the floorstanders be a bit redundant?

BTW, I havent owned a floorstander ever.

As for amps, looking at these: Roksan Kandy K2 , CA Azur 851A, MF M3I.

Asking for feedback since I am going to listen to these but the showroom might not be similar for my room.

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i don't know about the r700, but i know the r300 and the r500... i will try to explain what i heard testing both of them: r300 seems to emphasize the low frequency, seems that there is a "fals" bass.. r500 have a different cabinet design, it seemed to me to be a more "realistic" bass, but also for the other frequencies a little bit more fullier
anyway, there is no substitute for the subwoofer.. but these are my ears and also my room is double than yours (7.20 X 4,50 )

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Hi all!

Been lurking a while and here's my first post.

Choosing a 2.0/1 system.

Choices are the R300+sub or R500/R700.

My room is 3m x 5.5m, preference in music is I cater to almost anything. So i'd want an all rounder.

What I've been reading is the 'R' bookshelves versus the 'R' floorstanders are basically similar in sound, but deeper bass with the floorstanders.

Points me to the direction that I should get the R300 and sub for a more "complete" sound. Although I'm open to getting a R500/700 and add a sub much later on (emphasis on much), but wouldnt adding a sub makes the bass in the floorstanders be a bit redundant?

BTW, I havent owned a floorstander ever.

As for amps, looking at these: Roksan Kandy K2 , CA Azur 851A, MF M3I.

Asking for feedback since I am going to listen to these but the showroom might not be similar for my room.

Thanks!
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i don't know about the r700, but i know the r300 and the r500... i will try to explain what i heard testing both of them: r300 seems to emphasize the low frequency, seems that there is a "fals" bass.. r500 have a different cabinet design, it seemed to me to be a more "realistic" bass, but also for the other frequencies a little bit more fullier
anyway, there is no substitute for the subwoofer.. but these are my ears and also my room is double than yours (7.20 X 4,50 )
I have heard the R700 but not the R500 or R300 but based on feedback from those I trust, I believe the R500s are the most neutral and accurate of the R series which is saying something. Also with the R500 you will not need to buy speaker stands as with the R300s. What size is your room? Edit: I missed the size as 3 m x 5.5 m so I would think the R500s would work well there and agree that you will want to add a subwoofer at some point.

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I have the R900 and listen to them without the sub a lot for music. I heard the R500 and although the bass wasn't as strong as the R900 it may be a little tighter though I preferred the overall sound of the 900's - at least to my ear. I don't think you can really go wrong with any of the R series but should definitely listen to the line so that you can decide based on what you hear.
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