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post #7291 of 7314 Old 04-09-2015, 12:38 PM
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That's great Chris!! Black beauties right? Let the run-in begin soon!


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Where is saxguy? I am pretty sure he received his blades last weekend..

Couldn't wait to see how they look in his dedicated room..
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That's great Chris!! Black beauties right? Let the run-in begin soon!


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Yes. Dealer sent me some pics, of another Black pair he was unpacking. Real beauties to be sure.

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So today is the day. Finally, I get to showoff my new Blade 2s

We decided to have a listen in today and we invited one of our most critical listener - Chris Lehner. Chris is one of the most die hard audiophiles we've ever met and we have the utmost respect for his ears.

Chris drove from Maryland to NJ to our audiophile listening event and we had a blast! Also here was Craig Shumer of Theatermax and some of you may know that him and I are involved in some Audio endeavors together. Craig is Authorized Kef, Theta, Aesthetix and lots more and of course helps us get the most amazing products at attainable prices.. We sat and played for hours drooling over what was going to blow our minds next. When a system reaches this level of sonics you can’t wait to put on another track to see what it can do. Time was flying and before we knew it we wanted to hear some other components in the system which Chris has brought with him.. We tested some Wyred for Sound Mono’s which are much less expensive and they did very well. They drove the Blades surprisingly well for the money and kept the sound stage really nice. Not quite like the Prometheus Monos but very very nice.

As a reference we stuck with the Theta Prometheus Mono's, the KEF Blade 2 and the Aesthetix Pandora Signature DAC. For Chris, this was the first time hearing the Blade 2 and I think he's really blown away. He seemed to have a big smirk on his face. We listened to a variety of Different tracks. Chris brought up a nice selection of DSD files in addition to my music library. As they continue to break in our excitement grows as we can not believe what comes out of these speakers. Lets not forget we have the Theta Prometheus Mono’s using the Hypex Ncore 1200 amp modules with Linear power which not only does Stereophile love but its our Reference Amplifier at this point. I am not sure there is a better amp on the market but thats just us and Stereophile saying that

We have had Aerials and Josephs and others as well on these amps but we have never heard anything like the Blade 2 and Prometheus combo. I'm sure Chris will be posting something as soon as he gets home.

Chris also had another reason for his trip and this is super exciting as well. He came up to get from Craig his long awaited KEF Reference 1 Speakers. The Reference 1 from what we read is going to be amazing and if we had more time we probably would have opened them and gave them a try but time flies when your having this much fun. Chris also had a long trip back and I know he wanted to get home to start to break in his new Ref 1s. I am sure he will be posting about that as well.

I'll keep updating as the speakers break in.


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So today is the day. Finally, I get to demo my new Blade 2s for my buddy Craig from Theatermax and one of our new audiophile friends, Chris Lehner. Chris drove up from Maryland to NJ to have a little audiophile listening event and we had a blast! We had the three of us here and we listened to them for a few hours, playing with some different amplifiers and things but as a reference we the Theta Prometheus, the KEF Blade 2 and the Aesthetix Pandora Signature DAC. For Chris, this was the first time hearing the Blade 2 and I think he's really blown away. He seemed to have a big smirk on his face. We listened to a variety of Different tracks. Chris brought up a nice selection of DSD files in addition to my music library. We're just getting more and more excited to listen to these and really enjoy them. I'm sure Chris will be posting something as soon as he gets home. I'll keep updating as the speakers break in.



AWESOME WOW- I bet they sound amazing- They sure look it for sure. I got to hear the Blades against the Ref 5 when I purchased my REF 1s. Both incredible speakers for sure and little brother REF 1 Looking forward to some additional conversation!


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And for the record...since I've had to say this privately, more than a few times; since sharing with people...I had the privilege of hearing these Blade IIs today. Blades and Blade IIs, really are likely...2 different animals. I mean...the IIs have (4) x 6.5" bass-drivers (force-canceling); and the bass was HUGE...but still tight and super-fast, with no over-hang or smear (as long as your amp has the juice to keep them that way!).

The Blades...are (4) x 9" bass-drivers! We had a discussion...based on the way the IIs easily filled George's considerable room; about how big the room would need to be...to keep the much larger Blades, from sounding bloated and out-of-balance. The consensus? Very BIG!! LOL

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i have cm10s and picked up the ls50s a little bit ago. I have really enjoyed the sound and am pretty amazed at both the UniQ driver delivering such a clean sound given the architecture is a challenging one. I have always been a floorstaner guy - not just because most of them suit my tastes (I listen a lot without my subwoofers) but because I dont like using the stands or the aesthetics as much on standmounted speakers.

So I brought home some r700s (bought them from Kef Direct - long story there for another time) and now I am going to try and put both pairs of KEF speakers through the gauntlet so to speak and use my cm10s as somewhat of a reference point for lack of a better word.

Any advice on how to reasonable compare the bookshelf speakers to the floorstanders? It is certainly far from apples to apples and I have a halo integrated I can use to pull in subs if necessary. I had the ls50s on a piece of hardwood furniture but felt the sound was a bit restricted given they either had to be palced on top (like 48 in high or something) or within a front/back open but sided in cubby that is not more than 1.7 x the volume of the speakers. i also tried them on my very large heavy as sh*t desk where they sounded much better and on my stands that usually hold my b&w cm5s. I need to play around with them on the stands more but my room is fairly limiting in terms of given speakers an equal backdrop l/r.

let me know if any has experience with these speakers and has any tips and the thing I am battling internally most of all is ......should I wait (i would be waiting awhile) to get a pair of the reference 3s or 5s???

I really like the UniQ sound and I am sort of set on my next pair of speakers being from KEF as it really has a different sound than my CM10s...I am kind of feeling the smart thing would be to return both sets of speakers (this would set me back a boatload of cash on the r700s though but not enough to really kill me) and wait out til i can afford a reference line speaker. I would also most definitely try to get out and listen to them if possible - although i havent seen any around where i live...not yet
I just listened to the R700's and then the reference 3's back to back. In my humble opinion the reference 3, as expected, is a huge step up in sound quality. Significantly tighter bass, mid and high end substantially more open. The r700 was a little hard on my ears at a loud setting, the reference 3's were just outstanding, but for 13k they should be! Listened to mostly acoustic rock but ray lamontagne sounded unbelievable on the 3's. I am debating between the 3's and the tannoy dc10 ti's which are less money but also employ the dual concentric design..
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AWESOME WOW- I bet they sound amazing- They sure look it for sure. I got to hear the Blades against the Ref 5 when I purchased my REF 1s. Both incredible speakers for sure and little brother REF 1 Looking forward to some additional conversation!

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Here's a little blurb, I posted elsewhere...about the experience:

...all I can say is WoW

Granted...I don't go to shows; and have never auditioned a speaker, costing its $26,000 list. But I can tell you this: I've owned my fair share, of ~$10,000 pairs; and have always been of the mind, law of diminishing returns starts to kick in...not soon there after. Don't get me wrong; I'm not naive. I know there are better speakers, beyond that price point...of course; I just never would have thought, you could appreciate a true "3-fold" kind of difference (you guys know what I'm saying, having a fine understanding of LODR yourself).

However...after the "audition" I had yesterday (about 2 hours...with some of my music; but mostly just listening, bullsh*tting, and talking shop with the dealer and my new audiophile compadre George); if I had the money...I would have ordered a pair of these! The amount of bass, was astounding; yet...it was super-tight and fast, and therefore never over-hung the Uni-Q to create a smeared presentation. 4 force-cancelling drivers per side; with some bass-heavy demo tracks, played LOUD. Yet the cabinet, never quivered at all; I lay my hand on it, and couldn't feel a thing (I've heard, they stand a nickel on edge...at shows).

It is really almost a visual miracle, and engineering wonder; that the 5" Uni-Q can stand up to that kind of bass output. Yet...mids were prominent, rich (if not quite luscious, like say a Harbeth), and perfectly in balance; and highs were extended, yet never etched or fatiguing. There were a few tracks...where female vocals were perhaps a touch honky still; but I have no doubt, that will subside with break-in.

When I told some, I was going to hear Blade IIs...I got some feedback that they've heard Blades (I) at shows, and were less-than-impressed; especially at the $32,000 price tag. I have to say...anybody who might have written the model off, based on the Blades; owes themselves another listen, to the IIs. Keep in mind; the IIs have (4) 6.5" bass-drivers per side...against the Blades (4) 9". That's a pretty big difference...and one of the things we discussed yesterday, based on what we heard in this client's room; is just how big a room you'd need...for the Blades (I), to not sound ridiculously over-loaded and out-of-balance. The consensus? REALLY big, lol. Maybe that's what was going, at some of the places where they've showed.

Anyway; it was a real eye-opener for me...and a helluva lot of fun!

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So today is the day. Finally, I get to showoff my new Blade 2s

We decided to have a listen in today and we invited one of our most critical listener - Chris Lehner. Chris is one of the most die hard audiophiles we've ever met and we have the utmost respect for his ears.

Chris drove from Maryland to NJ to our audiophile listening event and we had a blast! Also here was Craig Shumer of Theatermax and some of you may know that him and I are involved in some Audio endeavors together. Craig is Authorized Kef, Theta, Aesthetix and lots more and of course helps us get the most amazing products at attainable prices.. We sat and played for hours drooling over what was going to blow our minds next. When a system reaches this level of sonics you can’t wait to put on another track to see what it can do. Time was flying and before we knew it we wanted to hear some other components in the system which Chris has brought with him.. We tested some Wyred for Sound Mono’s which are much less expensive and they did very well. They drove the Blades surprisingly well for the money and kept the sound stage really nice. Not quite like the Prometheus Monos but very very nice.

As a reference we stuck with the Theta Prometheus Mono's, the KEF Blade 2 and the Aesthetix Pandora Signature DAC. For Chris, this was the first time hearing the Blade 2 and I think he's really blown away. He seemed to have a big smirk on his face. We listened to a variety of Different tracks. Chris brought up a nice selection of DSD files in addition to my music library. As they continue to break in our excitement grows as we can not believe what comes out of these speakers. Lets not forget we have the Theta Prometheus Mono’s using the Hypex Ncore 1200 amp modules with Linear power which not only does Stereophile love but its our Reference Amplifier at this point. I am not sure there is a better amp on the market but thats just us and Stereophile saying that

We have had Aerials and Josephs and others as well on these amps but we have never heard anything like the Blade 2 and Prometheus combo. I'm sure Chris will be posting something as soon as he gets home.

Chris also had another reason for his trip and this is super exciting as well. He came up to get from Craig his long awaited KEF Reference 1 Speakers. The Reference 1 from what we read is going to be amazing and if we had more time we probably would have opened them and gave them a try but time flies when your having this much fun. Chris also had a long trip back and I know he wanted to get home to start to break in his new Ref 1s. I am sure he will be posting about that as well.

I'll keep updating as the speakers break in.


Are they Piano black or some other color? Hard to tell from the posted picture.
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They are piano black. I was going to get graphite, but the piano is stunning.
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So today is the day. Finally, I get to showoff my new Blade 2s

We decided to have a listen in today and we invited one of our most critical listener - Chris Lehner. Chris is one of the most die hard audiophiles we've ever met and we have the utmost respect for his ears.

Chris drove from Maryland to NJ to our audiophile listening event and we had a blast! Also here was Craig Shumer of Theatermax and some of you may know that him and I are involved in some Audio endeavors together. Craig is Authorized Kef, Theta, Aesthetix and lots more and of course helps us get the most amazing products at attainable prices.. We sat and played for hours drooling over what was going to blow our minds next. When a system reaches this level of sonics you can’t wait to put on another track to see what it can do. Time was flying and before we knew it we wanted to hear some other components in the system which Chris has brought with him.. We tested some Wyred for Sound Mono’s which are much less expensive and they did very well. They drove the Blades surprisingly well for the money and kept the sound stage really nice. Not quite like the Prometheus Monos but very very nice.

As a reference we stuck with the Theta Prometheus Mono's, the KEF Blade 2 and the Aesthetix Pandora Signature DAC. For Chris, this was the first time hearing the Blade 2 and I think he's really blown away. He seemed to have a big smirk on his face. We listened to a variety of Different tracks. Chris brought up a nice selection of DSD files in addition to my music library. As they continue to break in our excitement grows as we can not believe what comes out of these speakers. Lets not forget we have the Theta Prometheus Mono’s using the Hypex Ncore 1200 amp modules with Linear power which not only does Stereophile love but its our Reference Amplifier at this point. I am not sure there is a better amp on the market but thats just us and Stereophile saying that

We have had Aerials and Josephs and others as well on these amps but we have never heard anything like the Blade 2 and Prometheus combo. I'm sure Chris will be posting something as soon as he gets home.

Chris also had another reason for his trip and this is super exciting as well. He came up to get from Craig his long awaited KEF Reference 1 Speakers. The Reference 1 from what we read is going to be amazing and if we had more time we probably would have opened them and gave them a try but time flies when your having this much fun. Chris also had a long trip back and I know he wanted to get home to start to break in his new Ref 1s. I am sure he will be posting about that as well.

I'll keep updating as the speakers break in.


Beautiful. Really enjoy my 205/2s, but I bet they sound amazing especially with the amps you are driving them with. SJ
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Hi KEF owners!

as a satisfied owner of the LS50s for almost 2 years, i have a question about a future setup. I will be using a room 6x4m with 2.4 m height and i was thinking which would be the best setup for my home cinema.

My current 5.1 setup is 2x LS50s, one R200c and for rear speakers, i have two speakers from the KHT3005 set which i owned before and my SW is one KUBE-2.

In my new setup i will install a 5.1.4 system. As a SW i will use the R400b which i found in excellent condition used with a very good pricing.
My question: for the size of the room (24 sq m) should i go for R500/700? or will 4 LS50s be enough? Probably if i choose one of the R series speakers, i will check the used market.

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Hi KEF owners!

as a satisfied owner of the LS50s for almost 2 years, i have a question about a future setup. I will be using a room 6x4m with 2.4 m height and i was thinking which would be the best setup for my home cinema.

My current 5.1 setup is 2x LS50s, one R200c and for rear speakers, i have two speakers from the KHT3005 set which i owned before and my SW is one KUBE-2.

In my new setup i will install a 5.1.4 system. As a SW i will use the R400b which i found in excellent condition used with a very good pricing.
My question: for the size of the room (24 sq m) should i go for R500/700? or will 4 LS50s be enough? Probably if i choose one of the R series speakers, i will check the used market.

Thanks for any advice!
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Hi ddamski,

Based on the given dimensions, the room foot print works out to be just under 260 sq. ft. and the volume is just over 2,000 cu. ft. based on floor to ceiling height of 2.4m (7.9'). That's getting to the medium sized room range. Does the room open up to other areas? If so, then those volumes need to be considered. If the room is contained and can be sealed off, then the initial volume only needs to be considered.

For the speakers, the thing to be concerned about is the angles the speakers make to the Main Listening Position (MLP) and distance from the room boundaries. Getting this right will give you good imaging. Dolby has written a white paper for Atmos installation at home. For the 5.1.4 setup you're considering, an example is shown below.

Please note that there are other configurations possible for the height speakers. There is also Atmos enabled (up-firing) speakers and KEF offers the R50. These are expensive for what they do and there are pre-conditions as well as setup issues that need to be resolved.

The other thing to work out is the room modes for bass response. The idea is to move the sub and/or the MLP around so that peaks and nulls are minimized for a smoother bass response. The easiest way to determine some good locations for the sub is to do a sub crawl shown in Axiom Audio's youtube video here:

You'll find that a pair of subs provide a smoother response than a single sub. Modern receivers has room correction algorithms that will set the levels and distances for each speaker, as well as the crossover frequency to the sub(s). Getting the bass right is a time consuming, trial and error approach.

If you want to be absolutely sure that everything is setup right, the best way is to measure the response in your room.

Setup the speakers for the right imaging and sound stage. Setup the subs for the smoothest in room bass response. Get the correct crossover to tie the two together. You will then be able to reproduce the full 20Hz to 20kHz frequency spectrum in the recordings. The end result is very satisfying.

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If anyone is looking for a Reference center ch 202c in rosewood let me know with PM before I list them on Craigslist. They're in immaculent cond never hooked it up yet. Pick up in so ca too heavy to ship.

I also have another pair pristine condition Reference TDM23F thx certified. I'll be practically giving them away to a very lucky owner.

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KEF showed the LS50, Blade II and new Reference series at Axpona. The source components were Parasound. The BladeII and Reference were very similar to each other. There was a hint of metallic hardness in the upper frequencies. The Blade that I heard driven by Ayre did not possess this negative trait. Maybe a pairing with Mcintosh or Levinson would eliminate the hardness of these new speakers. The KEF reps said that the square boxes of the Reference yield better bass than the old series. To me, the bass response seemed very good but no better than the old reference.

A cd player was hooked up to the system however none of the reps knew how to use it!!!. Therefore they could not play discs or flash drives. Everyone was a slave to the KEF rep music choices. At least these choices were better than the Magico offerings.

Last year the KEF room was so bad that the reps were changing out electronics trying to figure out what was wrong. They eventually blamed room acoustics. This year they could not play CDs. This year was a bit of a poor showing for such a respected name in audio IMO.

The KEF speakers were very good. They were one of the better speakers at the show. KEF just didnt own the show like they did when the Blade was introduced in Jacksonville FL a few years ago. This year the ML Neolith/Mcintosh, Dynaudio, and Goldenear setups ruled.
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Thanks for your thoughts on the show. Interesting pairing with the Blades and Ref series. These speakers may be a bit more sensitive to electronics etc.

I have been enjoying the Ref 1 immensely but there a couple of times I am noticing a bit of hardness as you state. I know the Oppo is a darling to most (but there are also a few nay-sayers) and at times I would like to try a different source (using 105d) Blu-Ray is just fine but I replaced a Cambridge Audio spinner for Oppo due to better connectivity options but I am not so sure about that move at times. Prior I had a Rega Saturn and I miss that even more.

When funds allow I may need to dabble in a different source to satisfy my suspicions. These speakers seem to let you know what's happening downstream more than any speaker I have owned in the past.

Still think they are one hell of a speaker (Reference series).

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The Parasound Halo and especially the JC1s should be very good for the Blade2s or Reference but my gut feel is Classe' may be a great fit with Kef. Dav1dF on the UK based AVForum really liked the 2300 with the Bade2s. Could imagine the 600s.
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Johan Coorg from KEF International and Jason Caprarola from KEF USA came by my home last week and listened to the Blade 2 set up with the Theta Prometheus. Between the two of them, they have over 40 years of experience at KEF. We were all in agreement that the Thetas produce stunningly convincing macro and microdynamics, detail and texture without ever losing the natural quality of the music. Bass control is effortless with no signs of smearing or bloating. On Cantate Domino the choral passages came through with tremendous detail and without a hint of brightness. Anyone familiar with this recording knows that some systems can't manage this feat. If anyone would like to audition this amplifier with the Blade 2 please send me a PM, I am in the central NJ area.
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KEF showed the LS50, Blade II and new Reference series at Axpona. The source components were Parasound. The BladeII and Reference were very similar to each other. There was a hint of metallic hardness in the upper frequencies. The Blade that I heard driven by Ayre did not possess this negative trait. Maybe a pairing with Mcintosh or Levinson would eliminate the hardness of these new speakers. The KEF reps said that the square boxes of the Reference yield better bass than the old series. To me, the bass response seemed very good but no better than the old reference.

A cd player was hooked up to the system however none of the reps knew how to use it!!!. Therefore they could not play discs or flash drives. Everyone was a slave to the KEF rep music choices. At least these choices were better than the Magico offerings.

Last year the KEF room was so bad that the reps were changing out electronics trying to figure out what was wrong. They eventually blamed room acoustics. This year they could not play CDs. This year was a bit of a poor showing for such a respected name in audio IMO.

The KEF speakers were very good. They were one of the better speakers at the show. KEF just didnt own the show like they did when the Blade was introduced in Jacksonville FL a few years ago. This year the ML Neolith/Mcintosh, Dynaudio, and Goldenear setups ruled.
I heard they couldn't get the Parasound ZDac to work at one point

Seriously; your $26,000 speakers...don't deserve a little better, than a $500 DAC? And I've never seen the ZDac, held up as some kind of bang-for-the-buck champion.

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I have been enjoying the Ref 1 immensely but there a couple of times I am noticing a bit of hardness as you state. I know the Oppo is a darling to most (but there are also a few nay-sayers) and at times I would like to try a different source (using 105d) Blu-Ray is just fine but I replaced a Cambridge Audio spinner for Oppo due to better connectivity options but I am not so sure about that move at times. Prior I had a Rega Saturn and I miss that even more.

When funds allow I may need to dabble in a different source to satisfy my suspicions. These speakers seem to let you know what's happening downstream more than any speaker I have owned in the past.

Still think they are one hell of a speaker (Reference series).

Rick
Rick, might I suggest an Aesthetix Pandora/Sig. It was the front-end for saxguy's system, when I heard the Blade IIs; and I've never been an all-in-one guy before...but this unit was really special!

Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything. -Plato
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I am deciding between R200c or R600c to pair with R500. I know many will go with R600c, as center channel is most important. Now my question, will it matter if I use subwoofer crossing at 80hz. Will there be any difference? Should i just save couple of hundreds and go with R200c?
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Sorry quick question & I'm sure it's been discussed to death on this site... what do you guys think of the KEF Atmos modules? I have the 44-DA's but it looks like KEF's woofers are larger. I'm guessing no one's been able to compare both right?
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I am deciding between R200c or R600c to pair with R500. I know many will go with R600c, as center channel is most important. Now my question, will it matter if I use subwoofer crossing at 80hz. Will there be any difference? Should i just save couple of hundreds and go with R200c?
I have the R600c and had R200c in combination with R700 and R300's surrounds.
The R600c sounds fuller and the voices have more weight to them.

Since both speakers have the same Uni-Q drivers and crossovers, there isn't that much difference in the mid and high frequenties.

That said, the R600c is pretty big and probably big to place in/on a closet. I have mine sitting on a setting under my PJ screen in my dedicated theatre, but I can't place it in my living room for example.
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