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I assume they'll have the review on their website soon, but for now it's only in the magazine in analog (i.e. paper) and digital (i.e. Zinio) editions.
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Awesome Tom! These are the same speakers I am looking at, along with 5160s for the fronts. What type of system are you putting together with these - Atmos?
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Awesome Tom! These are the same speakers I am looking at, along with 5160s for the fronts. What type of system are you putting together with these - Atmos?
These will be the surround (Ci200RR-THX) and surround back (Ci3160-THX) speakers in a "real world" 7.1 system that many of my customers would enjoy in there home. It's in a living room / showroom.

Front end gear is Marantz, Parasound and OPPO. I have this 7.1 system set up as a zone in my whole house audio system HEOS by Denon. It's pretty slick, I can turn on the whole 7.1 system for a demo or I can select just the in-ceiling and/or in-wall speakers with or without subs. In this configuration Audyssey does it's thing in 7.1 mode but it's disabled using only in-wall or in-ceiling speakers because it's wired into the multi channel inputs on the Marantz. The whole HEOS system is IP controlled through a smartphone or tablet app. My customers love it and it's a great way for me to let them hear lots of different options.

I haven't really jumped on the Atmos train yet. Most of my customers do living room or media rooms systems. 99. 9% of the world could care less and would be better served with a nice 2 channel, 5.1 or 7.1 if they are into movies and TV and whole house audio. Ymmv

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After too much research, I have zeroed in on KEF Q100s as my preferred option for a new front sound stage.

I also want to use a third Q100 as the center speaker. Problem is, I can't seem to find anywhere that will sell me a single speaker. Ebay, craigslist, google are all failing me.

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Just a quick update. I got 2 pairs of Q100's and set up the front 3 as advertised (wife thinks they are too big, but I squeaked by). Oddly enough, my Pioneer AVR detected the Q100s as 'large speakers', which I figured was reserved for floor standers.

Rounding out the set up is a Rhythmick LVR12 sub (80hz x-over) and I have old Boston's as surrounds which are fine for movies/games.

I realize there are better worlds out there, but for me I have hit the sweet spot before major diminishing returns. Particularly when accounting for the constraints of my listening area. The broad soundstage, crystal clear dialogue, and minimal loss of mid/high bass levels from wall mounting is great.

Now to figure out what to do with this spare Q100. I'm half tempted to run it mono on an older system.

Happy to answer questions from anyone in the same process I was.
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I'm currently running the same setup and agree it's a bit of a sweet spot. The imaging from three Uni-Q drivers LCR across the front is excellent for HT/surround listening.

FWIW, I would change your AVR settings to view the speakers as "small".

I ended up keeping my extra Q100 as a spare.

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These will be the surround (Ci200RR-THX) and surround back (Ci3160-THX) speakers in a "real world" 7.1 system that many of my customers would enjoy in there home. It's in a living room / showroom.

Front end gear is Marantz, Parasound and OPPO. I have this 7.1 system set up as a zone in my whole house audio system HEOS by Denon. It's pretty slick, I can turn on the whole 7.1 system for a demo or I can select just the in-ceiling and/or in-wall speakers with or without subs. In this configuration Audyssey does it's thing in 7.1 mode but it's disabled using only in-wall or in-ceiling speakers because it's wired into the multi channel inputs on the Marantz. The whole HEOS system is IP controlled through a smartphone or tablet app. My customers love it and it's a great way for me to let them hear lots of different options.

I haven't really jumped on the Atmos train yet. Most of my customers do living room or media rooms systems. 99. 9% of the world could care less and would be better served with a nice 2 channel, 5.1 or 7.1 if they are into movies and TV and whole house audio. Ymmv
When are you installing them? Some unboxing pics would be great. :drool:
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Those aren't boxes, they're shipping containers. Hahaha.
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Another angle, these are set up as surround rears but can also be played for demo purposes in 2 channel mode with or without subs
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KEF R series?

I recently sold my KEF Q900's and Q600C. I purchased them used and I have a feeling that they were bad. They sounded muddy and not clear at all. I had them paired with the Arcam AVR 600,which I also sold. Anyway, I have had a few people telling me that I should look into the KEF R series next. How much of a difference is the R series from the Q series? Just looking for clear, amazing sound. Oh, these will be paired to the Krell Foundation and Chorus 5200 amp. Thanks for the info.
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Another angle, these are set up as surround rears but can also be played for demo purposes in 2 channel mode with or without subs
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I recently sold my KEF Q900's and Q600C. I purchased them used and I have a feeling that they were bad. They sounded muddy and not clear at all. I had them paired with the Arcam AVR 600,which I also sold. Anyway, I have had a few people telling me that I should look into the KEF R series next. How much of a difference is the R series from the Q series? Just looking for clear, amazing sound. Oh, these will be paired to the Krell Foundation and Chorus 5200 amp. Thanks for the info.
R series are quite good but for those electronics I would look at the new Reference line. The new Reference is just really coming out regarding availablilty. If not Kef then Revel Ultima2 or BMW 800 series or other brands at that level. Your Krell items deserve that level of speaker, IMO. Do not pay MSRP for any of those by the way.
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Hello KEF Owners !!
Im planning to change my dedicated HT center channel speaker...which I've found to be the most difficult to choose. Im currently using a Tannoy FC Custom (Raised Tweeter MTM) which is a very nice speaker and has a very pleasing and natural sound...but It has the inherent oddity of being MTM Horizontal design and I can't cope with it, IM very picky about voices on movies.
If I place the Tannoy Vertically it works the way I like it but that configuration is just not possible ( quite obvious on the picture) on my HT...so Its not the sound signature of it...its the design
I recently got a good deal on an extra pair of surrounds Boston CR57 (I love those speakers), so IM currently using one of those Bookshelf as a center speaker...it works wonderfully , I like how coherent and real voices sound...but I don't feel comfortably pushing it hard as a center channel...its has a 4½" woofer and recommended power only 75W...plus if I get a new center I could use this pair of CR57 on a 2.1 setup somewhere over the home.



Well, why am I telling you all of this folks? I find KEF UniQ technology very interesting...and as far as i've researched theory dictates a Coaxial driver would be the perfect center channel, working as a pointsource, with no lobbing dispersion, hence great vocal reproduction. The only problem is that there are lots of centers to choose from KEF. And where I live, buying a brand new series is not an option...I've Found fragmented opinions and reviews all over the internet, but not a single place where several KEF centers are "compared".

Has any of you folks owned or had the privilege of auditioning several KEF centers? I would like to know if there is a significant evolution, sound quality between the given series...significant, not subtle..And please don't focus on the low bass performance...i would leave that parameter off...since I use a subwoofer crossed at 100hz

Reference Model 200 - 100 - 90
Q9c ( improvement should be over the "curved cabinet" design)
iQ6c (improvement should be the addition of twin bass drivers)
iQ60c ( is it that much better that "tangerine" tweeter over its predecessors ? )


Are those improvements realy night and day ? worth spending an extra $100-$200...? I know its very subjetive...but i much prefer to choose over a listening review by the ear than just the "marketing literature" found on Kef website

I asking for your help because I haven't had the opportunity of listening to them, there are no dealers near town (Arg) . My preference is neutral and natural sound. Where I live I could order online a used Ref Model 90 for good deal

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I've had the single Q driver Kef speaker- avoid them. The multi-driver centers are much better quality. I'd look for a Kef Model 200 Reference, I have one and it's superb. It's 4ohm so needs a good amplifier. With matching Kef Reference Model 2.2

If you're looking for new, checkout the Kef R600C.

The older Kef Reference line don't have any spare drivers, so if you blow a treble/bass that's it, unless you buy another used speaker of the same type and salvage what you can.
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Hello KEF Owners !!
Im planning to change my dedicated HT center channel speaker...which I've found to be the most difficult to choose. Im currently using a Tannoy FC Custom (Raised Tweeter MTM) which is a very nice speaker and has a very pleasing and natural sound...but It has the inherent oddity of being MTM Horizontal design and I can't cope with it, IM very picky about voices on movies.
If I place the Tannoy Vertically it works the way I like it but that configuration is just not possible ( quite obvious on the picture) on my HT...so Its not the sound signature of it...its the design
I recently got a good deal on an extra pair of surrounds Boston CR57 (I love those speakers), so IM currently using one of those Bookshelf as a center speaker...it works wonderfully , I like how coherent and real voices sound...but I don't feel comfortably pushing it hard as a center channel...its has a 4½" woofer and recommended power only 75W...plus if I get a new center I could use this pair of CR57 on a 2.1 setup somewhere over the home.
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I just went through a similar process as you. I replaced some Boston CR65s and a smaller Boston center speaker. I wanted better vocals mostly (although smoother ~80hz-~150hz was also lacking with my Bostons). The great thing about the 'tangerine' is that it broadcasts clear, smooth vocals to a wide soundstage, AT ANY ANGLE OF CONFIGURATION. This was 75% of the reason I went with KEF (the remainder being the front porting for my wall mounts).

I ended up with with 3 identical Q100's with L/R in normal vertical configuration and the C laid horizontal on its side. Even with suboptimal room placement they are outstanding. Great bang for the buck, as reported by others besides myself. If you want to go even better I'd recommend staying with the 130mm (5.25in.) sized UniQ woofer options. The larger UniQ woofers are reported make slight compromises on the mids to get lower bass, which you don't need.
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I owned a pair of IQ90s. They were OK. Nothing really impressed me about them. Good drivers but the cabinet is very light.
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I've had the single Q driver Kef speaker- avoid them. The multi-driver centers are much better quality. I'd look for a Kef Model 200 Reference, I have one and it's superb. It's 4ohm so needs a good amplifier. With matching Kef Reference Model 2.2

If you're looking for new, checkout the Kef R600C.

The older Kef Reference line don't have any spare drivers, so if you blow a treble/bass that's it, unless you buy another used speaker of the same type and salvage what you can.
Unfortunately where i live new models are higly overpriced or impossible to get. Kef R600C does not fit my budget . To give you an example, here the Q200 are sold for USS1000 - 1200...i would feel stupid paying that much while its MSRP should be something like $450...
Yep that Kef Model 200 Reference looks like a great option, i like the fact that its wide and slim. So which single UniQ model did you own, perhaps Ref Model 100 or 90 ? Could you give me some more little details about what you didn't like about them ?
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Hello KEF Owners !!......I asking for your help because I haven't had the opportunity of listening to them, there are no dealers near town (Arg) . My preference is neutral and natural sound. Where I live I could order online a used Ref Model 90 for good deal Cheers KEF owners !

I use the KEF LS-50 as my center channel. As a matter of fact in the mini theater I set-up for the kids I use 7 KEF LS-50 and the sound is outstanding
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Unfortunately where i live new models are higly overpriced or impossible to get. Kef R600C does not fit my budget . To give you an example, here the Q200 are sold for USS1000 - 1200...i would feel stupid paying that much while its MSRP should be something like $450...
Yep that Kef Model 200 Reference looks like a great option, i like the fact that its wide and slim. So which single UniQ model did you own, perhaps Ref Model 100 or 90 ? Could you give me some more little details about what you didn't like about them ?
Thanks for the reply
I own the one in the picture- Kef Reference Model 200. The Model 100 is the same middle Q treble/bass driver, just the 200 has two 6.5" woofers either side. I tried the Model 100 it's good but once you hear the 200..you'll keep the 200.

I had a older gen Kef Q center from the lower range Q series it was pretty awful. Whether because of the lower quality Q driver, or just because it's a single driver layout- I preferred the MTM from a similar priced B&W speaker.

With the Reference centers you need a good amp, the 200 is 4ohm and I believe the Model 100 came in 4ohm and 6ohm versions, also I think either rear ported and sealed, so rear ported not a great idea as back would be against the TV.

Model 90 is older gen Reference series probably matches the slightly older Reference from early 90's/late 80's.

The Model 200 is available in the UK for about £200-£250 second hand. New it was £700.

Also another similar center, that matches well with the Kef Reference series is Celestion A4C. This was £700 originally but Celestion A series is a forgotte n range, and can be bought pretty cheap. I have a Celestion A4C as well. I paid £150 for the Celestion A4C.

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Both these Kef Reference and Celestion A series are a few years old.
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My old setup was a set of q15 bookshelves and a q95 center. I was very disappointedcin the center since it was not able to keep up with the bookshelves. Have you considered any older xq50 centers if they can be found near you?
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I use the KEF LS-50 as my center channel. As a matter of fact in the mini theater I set-up for the kids I use 7 KEF LS-50 and the sound is outstanding
Ohh im so jealous for those little pricks ! No doubt LS-50 is a great speaker ! Have you read this white paper ? Its very interesting if you like techincal and design data

http://www.kefamerica.com/july12/LS5...te%20Paper.pdf

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Both these Kef Reference and Celestion A series are a few years old.
Yes I know they are quite old...very Old...but Sometimes older is better than new...sometimes Brands start to manufacture just for the sake of profit and stop caring about quality

We know the KEF Ref Mod 200-100-90 are old...the question is, are they updated brothers better or worse? Ref Model 200 has great reviews and everybody seems to love it...where i live i can get a Ref Mod 90 which has the same UniQ driver but without the twin bass woofers. At least for the few replies i've had so far...it seems like newer kef centers with just one UniQ are not impressive...

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Looking into getting another HSU vft15 sub to go with my kef q900. This is going into my family room which opens up to my kitchen then living room. Will this be over kill?.

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I own the one in the picture- Kef Reference Model 200. The Model 100 is the same middle Q treble/bass driver, just the 200 has two 6.5" woofers either side. I tried the Model 100 it's good but once you hear the 200..you'll keep the 200.

I had a older gen Kef Q center from the lower range Q series it was pretty awful. Whether because of the lower quality Q driver, or just because it's a single driver layout- I preferred the MTM from a similar priced B&W speaker.

With the Reference centers you need a good amp, the 200 is 4ohm and I believe the Model 100 came in 4ohm and 6ohm versions, also I think either rear ported and sealed, so rear ported not a great idea as back would be against the TV.

Model 90 is older gen Reference series probably matches the slightly older Reference from early 90's/late 80's.

The Model 200 is available in the UK for about £200-£250 second hand. New it was £700.

Also another similar center, that matches well with the Kef Reference series is Celestion A4C. This was £700 originally but Celestion A series is a forgotte n range, and can be bought pretty cheap. I have a Celestion A4C as well. I paid £150 for the Celestion A4C.

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Both these Kef Reference and Celestion A series are a few years old.
Went from the Ref 100, Ref 200 to the Ref 204/2c. My mains are Ref 4s and I'm using a Parasound A51 amp. To be honest, the different between the 100 and 200 wasn't THAT much. Loved both center speakers. The 204/2c are in a different class.
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Looking into getting another HSU vft15 sub to go with my kef q900. This is going into my family room which opens up to my kitchen then living room. Will this be over kill?.
What is the reason you are wanting another sub? To help smooth your frequency response, or to play louder with less distortion? Have you ever measured your sub and if so what does the frequency response look like. How close do you sit to your sub and where would you plan to put the new one in relation to the other one and your main seating location?
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It looks like the Reference 4C center that I ordered along with the Reference 1s came in . I ended up buying three mono amps and asked that this center be canceled and I would reorder at a later date and most likely the smaller 2C.


I think my dealer slipped and didn't cancel and I received an email yesterday that they have one in walnut and available if I wanted it. Funny thing Kef Direct lists it as pre-order. If they did screw up the cancelation if took KEF a very long time to get this center in as I have now had my Reference 1s for several months..


Decided to take it. Wow it's a big boy. I will pick up next payday and after my buyer of my old multi-channel amp picks it up Monday. I hope next week sometime. Shoot thru some pictures when I get it in. Boy, my blu-ray concerts should be off the charts. I can't wait and am not a fan of phantom at all and this should be a great one. I have owned Dynaudio Confidence Center in the past and it should be a nice compare albeit it by memory..


Along with the Ref 1s I am all set except the move to a better room later in the year...and rears-LS50s? These REFs have been outstanding (to me).


http://www.kef.com/html/us/showroom/...TRE/index.html




Chris, you guys get the stands in yet? How is it going?


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