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Has anyone else noticed that the C series speakers have quietly disappeared from KEF USA's website, KEF Direct and even the KEF UK website? Accessories4Less.com is down to just a few C3 bookshelf speakers.

I'm really getting anxious to see what they bring out when the sell-off of the Q series underway now is complete. Will it be a product line that slots in between those two, or will it be something that hits a little higher than the Q series yet below R series? If they did that they could perhaps introduce a better entry level to replace the C series. Those C series speakers never really did much to excite anyone.

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I have an onkyo HTIB since 2010. I dug out some old Mission speakers from the basement, I believe they are 770 series circa 1999.

I want to upgrade. TV 70%, Movie 15%, Music 15%. No gaming.
Thinking hard on Q300 LR and Q200C.
Will wait on surrounds, use existing speakers to fill the gap.
Looking to upgrade receiver and sub very soon--probably denon and usual suspects recommended here--SVS, Hsu, Rythmik, Outlaw.

Room is fairly big, 25x22 vaulted ceiling ~14ft. Open on one side to hallway and stairs partially open in back to kitchen and dining room.
Picture attached-- yes I do not like the TV above the fireplace, unfortunate but no choice. Will clean up wires, open underneath and have access behind TV.

Definitely not audiophile.
Been looking hard at the Ascend but right now I am leaning to KEF.
Do you think Q300 and Q200C would be a good choice?
Budget wise that is about where I would like to be. Could reach a little further but as a non audiophile I don't think it would be money well spent.

I know some people commented they like the Q100 better but I think with size of room I would be better with slightly larger Q300. Some people say Q600c matches better with Q300, but 600 center is too big. As it is I have to raise the TV slightly to fit the Q200c--which I can do. Would the Q300 and Q200c be a good match?

I am planning to put speakers on cabinet, I know not best but I can pull them forward and have wide separation. Seating about 14ft from TV.

We listen at pretty low volumes, not bass heads and don't need much room rattle when choose sub.

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You've laid it out well and made great choices. My son has the Q200c center speaker which he ran with Q300's for about a year & a half. He only relocated them to rear speaker duty when I gifted him Q500's. The Q300's and Q200c do work fine together, no issues at all.

Because you're putting speakers close to a rear boundary, all the more reason to choose the non-ported Q200c and front ported Q300's. The Ascend Acoustics CBM170-SE's I had (until I recently traded with my son to get a pair of iQ10's back) are rear ported. I don't know if you were looking at something else. With the KEF, you could even choose white speakers that might blend better and achieve a higher WAF ratio. (Wife Approval Factor) That they're on sale right now makes them an even better value.

Big room. Even if not a fan of bass, many lesser subs will not have much impact in that room and if only one placement becomes more critical. I like SVS for sound, warranty, upgrade policy, and 45 day trial policy.

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You've laid it out well and made great choices. My son has the Q200c center speaker which he ran with Q300's for about a year & a half. He only relocated them to rear speaker duty when I gifted him Q500's. The Q300's and Q200c do work fine together, no issues at all.

Because you're putting speakers close to a rear boundary, all the more reason to choose the non-ported Q200c and front ported Q300's. The Ascend Acoustics CBM170-SE's I had (until I recently traded with my son to get a pair of iQ10's back) are rear ported. I don't know if you were looking at something else. With the KEF, you could even choose white speakers that might blend better and achieve a higher WAF ratio. (Wife Approval Factor) That they're on sale right now makes them an even better value.

Big room. Even if not a fan of bass, many lesser subs will not have much impact in that room and if only one placement becomes more critical. I like SVS for sound, warranty, upgrade policy, and 45 day trial policy.
Many thanks Ken.
Glad the Q200c will match.
Had not thought about it but yes that center will be right up against the wall so the fact--if I read correctly--that the 200 does not really have a port is probably a good thing. The mantle is 10 inches wide and I think the 200 will just slightly overhang the edge.
We talked a little about color, wife is a little nervous on the white without seeing, thinks black is safer more versatile play.

I was thinking the CMT 340s from Ascend. They have great reviews as well. But they seem a little too large but very efficient.
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The CMT340 is a fairly large speaker, that's true. It's subjective opinion of course but to me on looks, without the grills on them they're just another boring black box. At least the KEF looks kind of cool with the shiny metal cone and "tangerine waveguide" over the tweeter. Most folk don't mind that, I'm not a fan. With the KEF you also have the European Walnut, it's very nice. The rosewood seems to be scarce and may be discontinued.

The Q200c is only 3/8" less than the CMT340 center in height, the same 3/8" less in depth, and 1/4" less in width. It's the porting design that makes all the difference on where you can place them.

Lastly, in placing a center speaker it's actually good to have the front edge of it a little forward of any shelf to avoid any reflected sound.

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Hi, I'd like a little guidance from you all to help set my living room up. The floor plan is an open concept type with high ceilings. directly behind the living room is the dining room.

Here are the measurements: Living Room = 21’x24’x11’ + Dining Room = 11’x11’x’9’ + Entry = 7’x7.3’x13’ for a total of approx 7,300 cubic feet.

My current setup is a Denon AVR 1912 (90 watt x 7 channels) which drives two Bose 10.2 tower speakers. For front high's I have two Infinity Sterling series speakers. My rear surrounds are built in to the ceiling and were there when I purchased the house, so I don't know what they are.

On Black Friday I purchased a Hsu VTF3 MK5 sub and a Kef Q600c center (both of which are still in return period).

Since my Bose are 25ish years old, I'm considering upgrading them with a $1500ish budget. I was thinking of staying with the Q series (likely Q700's for the room size??) but would I be better getting the R300 or LS50's?
I'm also looking at maybe finding a used R500/R700 but are unsure if they would match the Q600c.

What are your suggestions for this sized room? I'll also replace the front highs and maybe the ceiling speakers too. The setup will be use for 80% HT, 20% music.
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Unless you do a lot of critical 2 channel audio, The Q700's would sound great paired with Q600 for tv and movies. In such a large space, a 2nd VTF-3 MK5 would also be a good idea.

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The biggest difference between Q and R series, aesthetics aside, is that the R series are true 3way designs while the Q series are 2.5way, with a single crossover and passive bass radiator instead of an active woofer.
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Other differences between Q and R series include better quality crossover components, improved Uni-Q driver and higher quality binding posts and jumper link mechanism.
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Other differences between Q and R series include better quality crossover components, improved Uni-Q driver and higher quality binding posts and jumper link mechanism.
I do agree that the R series is little more refined but is it worth paying twice the price for mainly HT & tv? I have heard the R100 but have not spent enough time with them to fully compare with the Q''s.

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I do agree that the R series is little more refined but is it worth paying twice the price for mainly HT & tv? I have heard the R100 but have not spent enough time with them to fully compare with the Q''s.
I really don't think it's worth the price increase for HT & TV. Given that I own R series and my son owns Q series, it's appropriate choices for each of us. He's probably 70% movie and gaming, I'm over 95% music. Our systems fit our needs (and our budgets) beautifully.

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I really don't think it's worth the price increase for HT & TV. Given that I own R series and my son owns Q series, it's appropriate choices for each of us. He's probably 70% movie and gaming, I'm over 95% music. Our systems fit our needs (and our budgets) beautifully.


Thanks for the feedback!

Would the R series mesh well with the Q600C?

I'm thinking the room is probably too large for a higher quality bookshelf speaker. Would you all agree?
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They would, but if you're using the system for primarily home theater/TV why not go with the Q500, Q700 or Q900? Don't get me wrong, I simply love my R500's and together with my SVS SB2000 sub I was playing all kinds of music at "elevated" volumes. It was glorious.

Remind me, how big is the room and isn't it open on one side by some amount (like mine)?

Oh yeah, and while my son is very pleased with his full set of Q series speakers every time he comes over my house and I play some new (or new to him) music, he asks when I'm going to upgrade speakers again. That's how he gets an upgrade. LOL

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It is an open concept design, so it's roughly 7,300 cubic feet.

I've read all the posts from the last year or so on this thread, that's why I was debating the R series - you should be a salesman for Kef :-)
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LOL...I am a salesman. Just not audio stuff.

I know a lot about the R and Q series because I lusted after the Uni-Q since I first heard it back in the 1986 time frame. My youngest son (who I refer to here as a fellow KEF owner) wasn't even born yet but I had two young kids and couldn't afford KEF. I opted for a pair of Hafler 200 stand mount then. As I was telling my younger son about that ordeal about 3 years ago now, he had already begun going through the stages of upgrade, from a HTIB BIC America system to a Sony, and Polk. He bought me a pair of KEF iQ10's on closeout as a Christmas gift, and it was "game on." He bought himself Q300's and I liked them. I couldn't have the same (dad has to have better), so I shopped R300 with him in tow and came home with R500.

It's been back & forth, mostly me buying for myself and him, him buying...what SWMBO allows for him.

While of course it's the KEF sound profile that I truly enjoy, part of the attraction is the styling. For me, the R series is "understated elegance" with the grills on but technically exquisite with them off. I don't care for the copper look of Klipsch, nor a fan of the yellow drivers in PSB and B&W. I do like the sound of the PSB though. I actually enjoy the sound of Paradigm Prestige series too, but the styling is a little to gaudy for my taste. I definitely do not like the plain flat black look of so many speakers, replicating a movie house or nightclub. My listening space is my living room, so I have to look at speakers as well as listen to them, and so do my guests. Some fail to even notice them if the grills are on and not playing. Others notice the music quality straightaway, a few like to see the grills off. I listen to music with them off, and appreciate that other difference between R and Q series, mine have magnetic grill attachment.

I couldn't be a salesman for KEF. When in sales of a particular product, everything they make is good or "the best." KEF subwoofers are not much of a bargain, and only average in performance...or worse. I'm no fan of the T series, they just don't have the panache of a full cabinet speaker. And they sound "average." The Ci5160/ Ci3160 are incredible, the LS50 is too. Reference series is sublime, though others in that price range intrigue me more. So yeah, I'm a fan of what I own and know but I don't sell them and I also know other speakers from competitors are good for different reason and appeal to different people. Nothing wrong with that.

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LOL...I am a salesman. Just not audio stuff.



I know a lot about the R and Q series because I lusted after the Uni-Q since I first heard it back in the 1986 time frame. My youngest son (who I refer to here as a fellow KEF owner) wasn't even born yet but I had two young kids and couldn't afford KEF. I opted for a pair of Hafler 200 stand mount then. As I was telling my younger son about that ordeal about 3 years ago now, he had already begun going through the stages of upgrade, from a HTIB BIC America system to a Sony, and Polk. He bought me a pair of KEF iQ10's on closeout as a Christmas gift, and it was "game on." He bought himself Q300's and I liked them. I couldn't have the same (dad has to have better), so I shopped R300 with him in tow and came home with R500.



It's been back & forth, mostly me buying for myself and him, him buying...what SWMBO allows for him.



While of course it's the KEF sound profile that I truly enjoy, part of the attraction is the styling. For me, the R series is "understated elegance" with the grills on but technically exquisite with them off. I don't care for the copper look of Klipsch, nor a fan of the yellow drivers in PSB and B&W. I do like the sound of the PSB though. I actually enjoy the sound of Paradigm Prestige series too, but the styling is a little to gaudy for my taste. I definitely do not like the plain flat black look of so many speakers, replicating a movie house or nightclub. My listening space is my living room, so I have to look at speakers as well as listen to them, and so do my guests. Some fail to even notice them if the grills are on and not playing. Others notice the music quality straightaway, a few like to see the grills off. I listen to music with them off, and appreciate that other difference between R and Q series, mine have magnetic grill attachment.



I couldn't be a salesman for KEF. When in sales of a particular product, everything they make is good or "the best." KEF subwoofers are not much of a bargain, and only average in performance...or worse. I'm no fan of the T series, they just don't have the panache of a full cabinet speaker. And they sound "average." The Ci5160/ Ci3160 are incredible, the LS50 is too. Reference series is sublime, though others in that price range intrigue me more. So yeah, I'm a fan of what I own and know but I don't sell them and I also know other speakers from competitors are good for different reason and appeal to different people. Nothing wrong with that.


I've read a lot of good things about the LS50! I just think 7300 cubic feet may be a bit much for a pair, even with a 15" Hsu sub.

Since you have the R500's what is your opinion on them in a large room.... just in case I find a used pair locally.
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Totally biased opinion of an owner...I love them. They strike me as being ideal because unless you're a purist who insists upon a full range speaker and no sub for 2 channel music, you're going to be using a sub. The R900's wouldn't even qualify as full range, they can't hit 20hz. Neither can the R700 of course. I find I have about 50% of the music I listen, I don't need the sub on. If I had the R700, maybe it would be 65%. With R900, maybe it could hit 80%, though that may be high. If the music I listen to was shifted more to rap, electronica, and other bass-heavy types, all those percentages would be lower.

So my point is that you need a sub. Period. Might as well spend a little less getting the smaller floor-stander and a little more on a better (or dual) subwoofer. So carry that argument over to stand mount speakers. They're even smaller, you need even more sub. It's not quite that simple. As soon as you add 2x or 3x cabinet volume and a second or third woofer, in some lines a second tweeter, you get more volume out of it and take up the same floor space. This is why I really gravitate to the smaller floor standing speakers in most lines. They can fill a bigger room more easily and with a good sub (such as the one you mention or the new 16"-ers from SVS), you're killing it.

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Have any of you guys heard the KEF in-wall speakers? The wife is wanting a more discreet looking setup, so looking for options for in-wall surrounds.


** This would be just for the surrounds, mains will be towers. Currently have NHT all the way around, but am considering selling them and going in another direction.
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Have any of you guys heard the KEF in-wall speakers? The wife is wanting a more discreet looking setup, so looking for options for in-wall surrounds.


** This would be just for the surrounds, mains will be towers. Currently have NHT all the way around, but am considering selling them and going in another direction.
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I'm curious for the Ci5160REF-THX. They were shown at Cedia this year....
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