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Given the fact that the Q900's in question have damage, I would pass on that particular pair.
The Q900's will have more bass, a little more oomph and play louder but difference in SPL will be marginal. Over the years I've had big Cerwin Vega (comparable to the SL 12) some Kenwood speakers with 12" drivers and a few others not worth mentioning. Though none of them can compete with the Kef's, I've found that the big drivers can shake the house with bass and volume but I get clearer mids and highs with the smaller drivers which I actually prefer since my subs can handle the bass and shake the house if I wanted to. I'll most likely get Q500's when I'm ready to complete my setup.
You can always go down to Visions and listen to the Q900's and decide for yourself which you prefer.
I ended up going down to visions and made them play Hotel California on the Q500's, Q700's and the Q900's. Once with the Yamaha receiver that I currently have and then with an adventage model.

findings. - the 900's have more bass and a "larger" sound, the 700's and 500's a little less each time.. which was to be expected. the quality between my V-381 receiver and the adventage A-860 receivers made the most difference of all. although on paper the amps power output are pretty close, the difference in sound was undeniable.

I am not convinced that the Q900's are worth the extra money --- if you don't plan on cranking music to the point that your ears are ringing when you turn it back down the Q700's-900's are a waste of money.
for most people the 500's would be fine (I am also using 2 subs at home)

For Home Theater don't even bother looking at the Q200 - just get the Q600. That's the real gem in the Q line of KEF speakers.

I'm sure I could have left the Paradigm monitor 7's that I used to use as my left-right speakers and been equally satisfied but those Q's are just so sexy looking. It's still tough to beat those old paradigms (I moved them to the basement for my computer system and they impress me always.)

I realize I should have gotten a higher level receiver but what's done is done. Once I get my moneys worth out of that Yamaha V-381, I'm definitely going to throw some more money into a better receiver (I do like listening to music at ear bleeding levels) but for now it's nothing to complain about either.
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I like the CI160QR (round) or CI160QL (rectangular), or the larger CI200 versions as perfect matches for the Q series speakers. They aren't cheap, but are worth the money asked.
Are there any data/experience available to back that up?
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Are there any data/experience available to back that up?
I only have the experience of being in my dealer's room that is set up with 4 Ci160's in ceiling. They hook them up for a demo of Atmos with Q500, Q200c, and Q800ds for a 5.2.4 system and it's terrific, totally seamless and smooth.

There you go. A perfectly subjective, unscientific, anecdotal and largely useless impression.

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Hello,

I am buying a pair of KEF Q100 speakers, and I will use one of them as center channel in my 5.1 setup, so the other one will be available for sale. I would prefer if someone picks up or I can deliver in San Francisco Bay Area.

The pair costs $300, I will sell single speaker for $150. It will be in brand new condition. Let me know if you are interested.

I can also ship out to within US, but I am not sure how much shipping costs would be.

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I am going to pick up a pair of KEF Q3's and honestly i have no idea about them,im getting them from a friend.I wanted to know where best to put these in my theater.

Fronts..Polk Monitor 70's
Center..Polk CS20
2 overhead Polk rc80i
Rear surround..yamaha NS-AW592
Receiver..Yamaha rx-a2050

Are these speakers good enough to replace my monitor 70's up front or should i just ditch the yamaha surround speakers and replace them for the KEF's?

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I am going to pick up a pair of KEF Q3's and honestly i have no idea about them,im getting them from a friend.I wanted to know where best to put these in my theater.

Fronts..Polk Monitor 70's
Center..Polk CS20
2 overhead Polk rc80i
Rear surround..yamaha NS-AW592
Receiver..Yamaha rx-a2050

Are these speakers good enough to replace my monitor 70's up front or should i just ditch the yamaha surround speakers and replace them for the KEF's?

Thanks in advance
I would first try putting them in place of the Yamaha surrounds, recalibrate with the YPAO and evaluate. Then do the same with the Polk Monitor 70's, swapping and recalibrating. One position or the other is bound to sound better. While far from the most current KEF product they're still pretty good and you might like them in either spot.

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I've currently got a set of X300As which I bought used a couple of years ago, and they've been great so far.

I've recently been tempted by a deal on a set of LS50s for ~$900USD, but I"m wary about the value of this compared to my current set of X300As.

I'd probably have to sell my current set to fund the LS50s and then I'd have no speakers for the PC (it'd be nice to have both a home theatre and PC set). Is it worth the upgrade, or is purchasing a set of Q100s more than adequate in terms of value?
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The XA300's are a powered speaker and good for using with a PC. How would you feed either the Q100's or LS50's?

As for value, it's a tough call and largely subjective. The XA300's aren't the later wireless version so value suffers a bit more. Don't beat me up but I'd be surprised if you could get more than about $400-$450 for them, if even that. It's going to take the right buyer to appreciate what they are.

Assuming you have some kind of amp, you'd find the LS50's to be a couple steps up in every way over the XA300's. The Q100's would be a little better than the XA300's because it's the same Uni-Q driver in a better, ported cabinet. What are you ideally trying to achieve and how much budget can you apply? If you want the best 2-channel music for right now, the LS50's with a Bluesound Powernode would be a great start. The Powernode 2 has a subwoofer output, the original (now can be had well under $500) doesn't. Later, the LS50's would deliver more from a higher quality, more powerful amp but a Powernode or Powernode 2 gets you Tidal Hi-Fi (including MQA full decoding) streaming and some other inputs for relatively cheap.

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The XA300's are a powered speaker and good for using with a PC. How would you feed either the Q100's or LS50's?

As for value, it's a tough call and largely subjective. The XA300's aren't the later wireless version so value suffers a bit more. Don't beat me up but I'd be surprised if you could get more than about $400-$450 for them, if even that. It's going to take the right buyer to appreciate what they are.

Assuming you have some kind of amp, you'd find the LS50's to be a couple steps up in every way over the XA300's. The Q100's would be a little better than the XA300's because it's the same Uni-Q driver in a better, ported cabinet. What are you ideally trying to achieve and how much budget can you apply? If you want the best 2-channel music for right now, the LS50's with a Bluesound Powernode would be a great start. The Powernode 2 has a subwoofer output, the original (now can be had well under $500) doesn't. Later, the LS50's would deliver more from a higher quality, more powerful amp but a Powernode or Powernode 2 gets you Tidal Hi-Fi (including MQA full decoding) streaming and some other inputs for relatively cheap.
Thanks for the detailed response. I purchased the X300As used, for around $300US and I'd love to hold onto them since they've been awesome in terms of value. Adding another $600 for the LS50s would be difficult, but I was just wondering if I could justify it based on future proofing. Unfortunately I don't have any amp or receiver at the moment, so that's another cost that would have to be added on.

However, it would be nice to have a set of speakers that could be used on both a PC or home theatre. I'm not sure about the upgrade path with the LS50s when I decide to go surround someday (vs some other set like the Q series or R series).
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Can anyone measure the depth of the Q300?
I suspect it's the same as Q600C since numbers in the manual match - but given data does not include grills and terminals.
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Thanks for the detailed response. I purchased the X300As used, for around $300US and I'd love to hold onto them since they've been awesome in terms of value. Adding another $600 for the LS50s would be difficult, but I was just wondering if I could justify it based on future proofing. Unfortunately I don't have any amp or receiver at the moment, so that's another cost that would have to be added on.

However, it would be nice to have a set of speakers that could be used on both a PC or home theatre. I'm not sure about the upgrade path with the LS50s when I decide to go surround someday (vs some other set like the Q series or R series).
It seems you should sit back and save up for a long term plan then.

The LS50 passive (the original version as opposed to the new LS50 Wireless) are really good speakers which "punch above their weight". That means they deliver a sound quality far exceeding their original price of $1500US, often competing admirably with speakers costing over $3500 a pair. Those speakers take advantage of high quality source sound, including DAC (digital-analog conversion) and amplification. They sound really good with even a decent AV receiver and only get better with higher-end electronics.

Your XA300's are indeed a great value for what you spent. What you could consider doing for the short term is find a bargain on an AVR that has digital input for feed from your computer, and pre-amp outputs to go out to your XA300's. That unit would also have a pre-out for a subwoofer and firmware allowing you to set things up for an appropriate crossover frequency to a subwoofer. That's what you're really missing right now more than anything; low frequencies. You need it more in movies of course, but there's a lot of music that really needs it because the XA300's have little below 100hz. A reasonable receiver can be had for $300, and a starter sub for about the same (though I'd aim for at least $500 for one or build from a kit.)

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Exceptional Support by KEF America!

Ok Guys, so I had a very unfortunate accident with my Q300s. While trying to adjust my subwoofer placement, the wires pulled on the Speaker stand and knocked 1 Q300 down. I sort of caught it off the corner of my eye & the natural reflex was to use my hand to break its fall. Unfortunately, it did more damage than save it. Result is that the cone is destroyed along with my knuckle which hit the tangerine wave guide.

So, I dropped an email to KEF Support enquiring about the replacement cost for the driver fully expecting it to be $150 to $200. Guess what, they will send a replacement the drive unit for FREE!!! WOW is the only reaction I could get. Hats off to KEF Customer Support folks. I am really impressed and am glad for choosing KEF.
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Wow, that's awful, glad it had a happy ending, though.


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You now know exactly why I think KEF is one of the very best speaker makers on the planet. In addition to making very good to outstanding speakers, their level of customer support is the standard by which all others should be judged. Nobody does it better!!

They've taken care of everyone who asks in an exemplary way.
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Can anyone measure the depth of the Q300?
I suspect it's the same as Q600C since numbers in the manual match - but given data does not include grills and terminals.
Here you go... The Q600C and Q300 are exactly the same depth 2 clicks short of 1'... Both without grills & Terminals. Exact same height as well. Basically, the Q600C is a little shorter than 2 Q300s laid down side by side.
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You now know exactly why I think KEF is one of the very best speaker makers on the planet. In addition to making very good to outstanding speakers, their level of customer support is the standard by which all others should be judged. Nobody does it better!!

They've taken care of everyone who asks in an exemplary way.
I've had a set of KEF Q100s for a nearly a month now and don't think i'll ever go back to a non coaxial driver speaker again the sound stage/imaging with the Uni-Q driver is amazing. They definitely made me a Kef enthusiast.
and after upgrading to the Q100s I found myself feeling my subwoofer wasn't quite up to par... so just got myself a SVS SB 1000 to replace my Polk PSW 111 and its easily been one of the best improvements I've ever made to my sound system.

KEF + SVS = Great 2-ch music systems.
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If you check my signature, you'll see I also endorse SVS as a great match for KEF speakers.

You make a good point about the Uni-Q drivers. I gifted my brother a pair of Q300's about 7 weeks back and he's happy. I got text message from him last week. He had a friend over and asked his friend to subject himself to a blind test. Back and forth between the older B&W DM302 Prism and Q300's, he said the Q300's were superior and unprovoked commented about the off-axis performance being exceptional.
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Here you go... The Q600C and Q300 are exactly the same depth 2 clicks short of 1'... Both without grills & Terminals. Exact same height as well. Basically, the Q600C is a little shorter than 2 Q300s laid down side by side.
Thank you for that!
Not cool the manual does not include the terminals and grills!
I'm gonna go with the Q100 as they are better on the low end which make them more suitable for bass management.
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I can't help but think this is an echo chamber! Are you planning on any acoustic treatment? I assume you're renting because you didn't get in-ceiling speakers.

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Thank you for that!
Not cool the manual does not include the terminals and grills!
I'm gonna go with the Q100 as they are better on the low end which make them more suitable for bass management.
Where did you hear that?

I'm a relatively new KEF owner. Bought a 5.1 system last year with Q700/600/300/400 and liking them so far. I really need some acoustic treatment in my home theater, but I'll figure that out once I've run REW a few times after I get a UMIK.
I'm also going go to Atmos but unfortunately my fairly new AVR only supports 7 amplified channels (9 decoding I think) so my plans of either 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 without buying a separate amp are out the window. I've got my eyes set on a pair of CI160QR's to test out an Atmos setup which I'll probably get in a couple of months.
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Any recommendation for a 7.1.4 setup with ci5160RL-THX/ci3160rl-thx/ci200rr-thx and other Kef in wall speakers.

Is this overkill?
3 x 5160, 4 x 3160, 4 x 200rr

If it is, perhaps this would be a better way to spend money..
3 x 5160, 4 x 200QL, 4 x 200rr
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Where did you hear that?
I looked at the frequency response graph kindly provided by KEF Support.
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Or there is a Ci4100QL instead of the Ci200QL

room is 7.8m x 4.5m with seating in middle facing end.
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Any recommendation for a 7.1.4 setup with ci5160RL-THX/ci3160rl-thx/ci200rr-thx and other Kef in wall speakers.

Is this overkill?
3 x 5160, 4 x 3160, 4 x 200rr

If it is, perhaps this would be a better way to spend money..
3 x 5160, 4 x 200QL, 4 x 200rr
If you look back a few pages here there's a lot of posts from a great guy @hatlesschimp who has recently installed a system with three Ci5160, and a lot of the Ci200RR-THX. He's in AUS and it appears to be an outstanding system though I've not heard it.
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I looked at the frequency response graph kindly provided by KEF Support.
Interesting considering the Q300's have larger drivers.
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I have Ref 1's and the center, LS50's as surrounds, and the THX Kef's in ceiling for Atmos. Theta Casablanca IV pre/pro, and amp. 2 SVS subs. I'm currently running 5.2.4. I want to go to 7.2.4. Having trouble finding another pair of the LS50's with the blue drivers. Was thinking of going to the R100's for surround, all 4. Any thoughts? They would match the high gloss of the Ref 1's..and have the same color cone as well? I don't think it will be a big step down in sound moving from LS50 to R100's since they are only used for surrounds? Here is a pic of my set up.
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Interesting considering the Q300's have larger drivers.
I had made a post recently comparing the Q100 & Q300 against each other as I own both pairs.

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Just to summarize, there is no advantage that the Q100 enjoys over the Q300 apart from being smaller & slightly more attractive looking. The Q300 looks a little 'Obese' in comparison. However, when it comes to Sound, the Q300 has the Q100 beat in almost all the categories. The Q300 also enjoys a larger soundstage and deeper Bass. The price difference of $100 is money well spent, IMHO.
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I have Ref 1's and the center, LS50's as surrounds, and the THX Kef's in ceiling for Atmos. Theta Casablanca IV pre/pro, and amp. 2 SVS subs. I'm currently running 5.2.4. I want to go to 7.2.4. Having trouble finding another pair of the LS50's with the blue drivers. Was thinking of going to the R100's for surround, all 4. Any thoughts? They would match the high gloss of the Ref 1's..and have the same color cone as well? I don't think it will be a big step down in sound moving from LS50 to R100's since they are only used for surrounds? Here is a pic of my set up.
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That I could not help, because of the fireplace. It would go no lower to the ground..and code had to have a certain amout of inches above the fireplace before I could place anything! I hate it as well...but I had no choice
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Don't want to be a dick but I wouldn't have wasted $15k on Ref1's without making sure I had an optimal listening environment. It's such a huge and reflective room that their clarity would be lost. What are your final plans?
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Don't want to be a dick but I wouldn't have wasted $15k on Ref1's without making sure I had an optimal listening environment. It's such a huge and reflective room that their clarity would be lost. What are your final plans?
I have been advised that when you use the word "but", that dismisses everything prior to it. I now try really hard to avoid using it, or when I do there's no reasonable alternative.

Those do NOT cost $15,000. List is $7,999.99 and they're worth it if you like them, regardless of where you put them. There is always someone with more money than you, someone with less. Please don't be critical of how anyone spends the money they can afford to spend. I'm sure those sound better than my R500's despite the reflective floors and walls. I'd love to own such a beautiful home.

Room treatments (including floor) would help any speakers sound better, on that we can agree.

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