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The Reference 2c weight 20.3 lbs. The shipping weight is 70.5 lbs. We will clarify the specs on the website.


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I see where the website has already been updated. And the winner is 22.79 kg (50.26 lbs). The adjustable shelf capacity of the center speaker compartment in my console is 50 lb so it should be fine there. Thanks all.
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I see where the website has already been updated. And the winner is 22.79 kg (50.26 lbs). The adjustable shelf capacity of the center speaker compartment in my console is 50 lb so it should be fine there. Thanks all.
They aren't lying. It's heavy.

To anybody who has a Reference center, do all reference center channel serial numbers end in a 'B'? Or did I get a B stock? I'm very happy with the price I paid either way, but am curious. My Ref 3s end in L and R, so I can't infer from that.
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Hi, I am going to be getting some new front speakers and my choices are the Kef R300, KefR500 and the Paradigm Prestige 75F. There are no Kef dealers where I live so I will have to buy them unheard. These speakers will be used for movies and music, mostly movies thou. I have a SVS PB2000 sub. My question is, will I be able to hear the difference between the 300s and 500s when paired with a sub ?
I don't have a center speaker, I will just use the left and rights

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They aren't lying. It's heavy.

To anybody who has a Reference center, do all reference center channel serial numbers end in a 'B'? Or did I get a B stock? I'm very happy with the price I paid either way, but am curious. My Ref 3s end in L and R, so I can't infer from that.


I just purchased a pair of Reference 3's and a 2C off Audiogon. I can let you know once I receive the speakers. I purchased from the original owner and he purchased brand new.

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Hi, I am going to be getting some new front speakers and my choices are the Kef R300, KefR500 and the Paradigm Prestige 75F. There are no Kef dealers where I live so I will have to buy them unheard. These speakers will be used for movies and music, mostly movies thou. I have a SVS PB2000 sub. My question is, will I be able to hear the difference between the 300s and 500s when paired with a sub ?
I don't have a center speaker, I will just use the left and rights

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You would hear a very slight difference between R300 and R500 if paired properly with the PB2000. And I mean very slight. Truthfully, I was shopping the R300 when I ended up with the R500. In my case it was cheaper because I got the floor demo model R500 for the same list price of R300's if I had to order them, though I would have had to spend most of the difference on stands. At least I get two benefits with the R500. One, I can listen to an awful lot of the music I like in "analog bypass" mode of my receiver (similar to "direct" or "pure direct" on others) and the sub is off. The R500 do go deeper than R300 in that mode. The other benefit is that they're a lot harder to knock over than an R300 on a stand would be. The R500 can go a wee bit louder, though it's not a factor for me.

I did reply to your post in the Paradigm speaker owners thread, but let me explain a little further. There I had mentioned that the tweeter in the KEF Uni-Q is more "laid back" than the Paradigm 75F's. What I really mean is that I feel it's more controlled, smooth, refined. Both are good, I prefer the KEF, obviously.

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You would hear a very slight difference between R300 and R500 if paired properly with the PB2000. And I mean very slight. Truthfully, I was shopping the R300 when I ended up with the R500. In my case it was cheaper because I got the floor demo model R500 for the same list price of R300's if I had to order them, though I would have had to spend most of the difference on stands. At least I get two benefits with the R500. One, I can listen to an awful lot of the music I like in "analog bypass" mode of my receiver (similar to "direct" or "pure direct" on others) and the sub is off. The R500 do go deeper than R300 in that mode. The other benefit is that they're a lot harder to knock over than an R300 on a stand would be. The R500 can go a wee bit louder, though it's not a factor for me.

I did reply to your post in the Paradigm speaker owners thread, but let me explain a little further. There I had mentioned that the tweeter in the KEF Uni-Q is more "laid back" than the Paradigm 75F's. What I really mean is that I feel it's more controlled, smooth, refined. Both are good, I prefer the KEF, obviously.
Thanks, not having yo buy stands is something I have to think about.
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Hi, I am going to be getting some new front speakers and my choices are the Kef R300, KefR500 and the Paradigm Prestige 75F. There are no Kef dealers where I live so I will have to buy them unheard. These speakers will be used for movies and music, mostly movies thou. I have a SVS PB2000 sub. My question is, will I be able to hear the difference between the 300s and 500s when paired with a sub ?
I don't have a center speaker, I will just use the left and rights

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First off, I have only heard the R700s. Based on what I have read and feedback from ears I trust, the R500s are the star of a very very good series followed by the R700 and the R300. I personally would go for the R700s but choosing between the R500 and R300, I would go R500. No stands required. Ken has much more experience with the R series and someone I would trust for advice. Kef centers are amazing so I would consider adding the R600 down the road. I think you will be happy whichever way you go.
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First off, I have only heard the R700s. Based on what I have read and feedback from ears I trust, the R500s are the star of a very very good series followed by the R700 and the R300. I personally would go for the R700s but choosing between the R500 and R300, I would go R500. No stands required. Ken has much more experience with the R series and someone I would trust for advice. Kef centers are amazing so I would consider adding the R600 down the road. I think you will be happy whichever way you go.
I was leaning on getting the R300 but was looking at stands to buy and I thought that placing these nice looking speakers on a black painted steel pole doesn't look nice. The speakers will be in my family room and I think the stands will stick out in a bad way. For speakers like the R300, it's to bad they can't add 24" of cabinets so you don't have to buy stands for them.
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Would appreciate some input on a potential family room set-up that I’m contemplating…

1) I’d like to go completely discreet with my front soundstage, so do you recommend a combination of in-wall’s/in-ceilings that would offer up a true KEF sound? I’ve currently only been able to hear the new LS50 wireless, but they were not in a very optimum sounding set-up, so it was a very casual listen. Other than that, it was previously very difficult to audition their line-up as my local dealers do not have audio rooms. With regards to the in-walls, if you want a piece of the uni-q sound, you have to jump into the more expensive THX lineup, correct? So again, could something respectable be put together outside of that THX range?
2) If I were to go with a Q or R (or possibly 3 passive LS50’s) series front soundstage, what would be a cost effective match for in-ceiling surrounds? In my current layout, I’d be forced to use in-ceilings for side/back surround channels in either 5.2 or 7.2 configurations. Because of this, I’m not sure how Atmos would be able to come into play here.

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Would appreciate some input on a potential family room set-up that I’m contemplating…

1) I’d like to go completely discreet with my front soundstage, so do you recommend a combination of in-wall’s/in-ceilings that would offer up a true KEF sound? I’ve currently only been able to hear the new LS50 wireless, but they were not in a very optimum sounding set-up, so it was a very casual listen. Other than that, it was previously very difficult to audition their line-up as my local dealers do not have audio rooms. With regards to the in-walls, if you want a piece of the uni-q sound, you have to jump into the more expensive THX lineup, correct? So again, could something respectable be put together outside of that THX range?
2) If I were to go with a Q or R (or possibly 3 passive LS50’s) series front soundstage, what would be a cost effective match for in-ceiling surrounds? In my current layout, I’d be forced to use in-ceilings for side/back surround channels in either 5.2 or 7.2 configurations. Because of this, I’m not sure how Atmos would be able to come into play here.

Thank you for reading and offering any suggestions.
Does Kef ever have sales on their speakers ? I was going through the Paradigm forum and they mention there was a 20% off sale and another sale where you buy 2 speakers and get a center speaker free. My choices are Kef R500 vs Paradigm Prestige 75F.
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Don't overlook the one KEF in-wall speaker that is THX Select2 certified....and very affordable. the CI4100QL-THX. If the system isn't more than 50% movies, there's less need for the supreme sound quality of LS50. If you do use it for music, the 3 LS50 for L-C_R would be great and you can supplement with the CI200RS-THX (square) or CI200RR-THX (round) speakers elsewhere.

Using the surrounds as all in-ceiling speakers is limiting, so if you can get them into walls instead it's better. If not, perhaps you can make boxes to angle them down? Others have done that successfully. You may be limited to just two Atmos speakers.

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Don't overlook the one KEF in-wall speaker that is THX Select2 certified....and very affordable. the CI4100QL-THX. If the system isn't more than 50% movies, there's less need for the supreme sound quality of LS50. If you do use it for music, the 3 LS50 for L-C_R would be great and you can supplement with the CI200RS-THX (square) or CI200RR-THX (round) speakers elsewhere.

Using the surrounds as all in-ceiling speakers is limiting, so if you can get them into walls instead it's better. If not, perhaps you can make boxes to angle them down? Others have done that successfully. You may be limited to just two Atmos speakers.
Thanks Ken.

Yes, CI4100QL's do look attractive at that price. Especially if they can perform and not sound tinny/hollow. I didn't see the uni-q driver in those, so I did suspect a drop in performance. The CI200's is where things start to get pricey at about $800 each for surrounds and/or atmos speakers. The whole set has a 4ohm load, so amplification would certainly need to be top of mind as well.

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Click on the link again and check the other photos. The Ci4100QL-THX absolutely DO have the Uni-Q driver, a 3/4" one in a 4" midrange driver.

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Click on the link again and check the other photos. The Ci4100QL-THX absolutely DO have the Uni-Q driver, a 3/4" one in a 4" midrange driver.
Your right. I didn't recognize it without the waveguide or outer cap. I guess this is a different implementation of the uni-q?
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Guys, what to use for ceiling atmos speakers, currently i have some polk audio small bookshelfs, in between joists (unfinished ceiling in basement) and im looking for some upgrade for some speakers that would have wider dispersion... But cheap
P.s. i have all kef q300/600/100 so looking for good match for ceiling

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Anyone heard new Q150 ? How do they compare to Q100 ? Debating whether to get Q100 or Q150.

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Anyone heard new Q150 ? How do they compare to Q100 ? Debating whether to get Q100 or Q150.

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I certainly have. I found the new Q150 to have a better overall performance, particularly with regard to the "sweeter tweeter" and a cleaner midrange to bass. With the newer one, it's a lot more money because of the current sale pricing on the outgoing Q100, though they are the same list price the Q100 originally sold at. However, the grills are no longer included for the price and with the port on the rear now it's best to have them away from a rear boundary a bit.

Don't het me wrong, the Q100 is good. I just think KEF did a good job of directing more of the cost into sound quality rather than grills few people used or dual binding posts even fewer people use (and only a tiny fraction of those who do...know how to do it right.)

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I certainly have. I found the new Q150 to have a better overall performance, particularly with regard to the "sweeter tweeter" and a cleaner midrange to bass. With the newer one, it's a lot more money because of the current sale pricing on the outgoing Q100, though they are the same list price the Q100 originally sold at. However, the grills are no longer included for the price and with the port on the rear now it's best to have them away from a rear boundary a bit.

Don't het me wrong, the Q100 is good. I just think KEF did a good job of directing more of the cost into sound quality rather than grills few people used or dual binding posts even fewer people use (and only a tiny fraction of those who do...know how to do it right.)
Thanks Ken.
I am not able to audition Q150 although heard Q100 some time back. So going to buy pair without listening. I don't care about grills. Q150 better-looking too...
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I certainly have. I found the new Q150 to have a better overall performance, particularly with regard to the "sweeter tweeter" and a cleaner midrange to bass. With the newer one, it's a lot more money because of the current sale pricing on the outgoing Q100, though they are the same list price the Q100 originally sold at. However, the grills are no longer included for the price and with the port on the rear now it's best to have them away from a rear boundary a bit.

Don't het me wrong, the Q100 is good. I just think KEF did a good job of directing more of the cost into sound quality rather than grills few people used or dual binding posts even fewer people use (and only a tiny fraction of those who do...know how to do it right.)
It is great to hear the re-design of the Q series was a success. ... Big
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Guys, what to use for ceiling atmos speakers, currently i have some polk audio small bookshelfs, in between joists (unfinished ceiling in basement) and im looking for some upgrade for some speakers that would have wider dispersion... But cheap
P.s. i have all kef q300/600/100 so looking for good match for ceiling
The KEF Ci160QR or Ci200QR would be a logical choice for the good dispersion and excellent off-axis performance of the Uni-Q drivers. They're the matched speakers to your Q300/Q600/Q100 set, but obviously not meeting the criteria of "cheap" as compared to others out there. You can work around that easily with careful shopping, as I've seen some incredible deals on eBay and other places. You just have to accept there may be no warranty, although if you check the KEF website they do list authorized KEF dealers from the internet and some are eBay sellers.

There are other models with Uni-Q drivers, such as the ER, and those would be OK too. Good luck!

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KefDirect definitely offers sales (which I've heard are also matched by dealers), but they are likely random and specific to certain models within a line. I recall a few years back a sale towards the beginning of the year on open-box models. This was limited quantities and not necessarily done annually...which I confirmed with their customer service via email.

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Right now, KEF Direct has a few remaining Q300 and Q900, and a plentiful supply of R100 on sale. The Q300's are selling for $399.99 a pair, Q900 at $599.99 each, and the R100's are $799.99 a pair. That's quite a bargain from their regular $1199.99 price. I got mine from my dealer at that same sale price in December of 2015.

So yes, dealers sell at whatever price KEF Direct has because they cannot and would not ever undercut their own dealers. In fact, I've been told by KEF people that whenever you buy from KEF Direct (in the US), they credit a commission to the dealer nearest you, or whichever one you specify as being your dealer of choice. When buying from a dealer, you can choose drop ship direct to you or to your dealer for free.

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