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No problem placing the Q150/350 on their sides. Being rear ported, you will have to use the port plug if it's going to be placed in a cabinet or boxed in a self. The Q100/300 might be a better choice with its front port. I'm considering this as well. I took delivery of a new set of Q300's yesterday and i'm impressed!
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I just talked to the guys at KEF for a good 20 min on the phone. Super helpful, but still haven't really made up my mind which way to go. He says the R100 is still a better speaker than the new Q150, but how much better probably depends on a number of factors: room, gear, source etc. He also said no problem using a Q150 or 350 on its side as a center, but the 650c or 200c are still better for center channel use.

That said, he did suggest the Q350 over the R100 for my room size and use. However, I'm still somewhat skeptical as the Q150 sounds great to me, and any issues with dialogue I have with it now would certainly be cleared up by adding a center channel, so in order to keep it as compact as possible, I'm really leaning towards the R100s with an R200c. More compact, better tweeters than even the 2017 Q series, and nicer cabinets. Although, the 6.5" driver in the 350 may add a little to the effects for the left and right for things like the battle scenes in Game of Thrones or background music that sets the tone in House of Cards. Tough decisions. Hell, maybe I just go with R100s/R200c for now and upgrade the 100s to the 300s when I can afford to...

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Thanks. I kinda leaning that way. I was also considering LS50s, but considering I have to wall mount them about 5.5' off the ground, I fear they may be wasted on me in that setup.



Being a coax, can a Q150 or Q350 be placed on its side the same way the CCB-8 can, or is there something different about it that would effect the audio quality if placed on its side?
If you're crossing over to a sub at 80-90hz, the port doesn't come into play so you can easily mount the LS50's or R100/300 to the wall with brackets (I would avoid flush mounting if possible) without any loss in sound quality. I don't think having a Q150/350 on it's side would cause any loss of detail or definition, but best to e-mail or call Kef and see what they say.

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I'm considering changing up my setup a little bit and have 3 ~3yr old R300s in rosewood (with the option to pick up the fourth) that I'm considering selling. Is there any interest here before I post in the classifieds for the general public? Any opinions on what a fair asking price might be? It's difficult to get R300s as a single. These were used for about a year as the front 3, then the L+R got moved to surround duty. Nothing at all wrong with them. They look like brand new.
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Being a coax, can a Q150 or Q350 be placed on its side the same way the CCB-8 can, or is there something different about it that would effect the audio quality if placed on its side?
I don't see any reason why not. The driver appears to be equidistant from the top and bottom (the left and right side if toppled) of the speaker. Even the older models which do not have centered drivers would be alright. The effect upon the dispersion characteristics due to being off-center relative to the cabinet is fairly minimal.

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There are quite a few people using the older Q series bookshelf speakers (Q100 & Q300) as center speakers, in both the standard vertical or unconventional horizontal orientation. The newer series should as good if not better. The main problem will be trying to find a single.

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I don't see any reason why not. The driver appears to be equidistant from the top and bottom (the left and right side if toppled) of the speaker. Even the older models which do not have centered drivers would be alright. The effect upon the dispersion characteristics due to being off-center relative to the cabinet is fairly minimal.
I ran with an R300 on its side for 3 years. It worked fine for me.
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I ran with an R300 on its side for 3 years. It worked fine for me.
Yeah, even a bookshelf speaker with non-coincident drivers can be toppled with reasonable results. The UniQ driver just makes it that much more feasible.

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Q100 + Q150 timbre?

I currently have a pair of Q100s as my PC speakers. I love them, they sound so much better than my Usher's. I am guessing the Q150s sound better than the Q100s

1) If I were to use Q150s as my front speakers (LR) and use the Q100s as surround speakers would they sound okay (timbre matched)?

2) Assuming I use Q150s as the front speakers, what would be better for a center? Q200c / Q600c / Q650c? (it would be on my desk about 3-4 ft away; I also read that the Q650c isn't a 3-way speaker - don't know if that matters)
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I am guessing the Q150s sound better than the Q100s
Well, probably just as good. Better is subjective.


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1) If I were to use Q150s as my front speakers (LR) and use the Q100s as surround speakers would they sound okay (timbre matched)?
Yep. I'm sure it'd be fine to use the older ones with the newer ones, especially as surrounds. But even as a center (see below) it'd probably be fine.


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2) Assuming I use Q150s as the front speakers, what would be better for a center? Q200c / Q600c / Q650c? (it would be on my desk about 3-4 ft away; I also read that the Q650c isn't a 3-way speaker - don't know if that matters)
If money is no object, or you're the kind of person that will always wonder "what if?" (most of us are), get the newer model to match your 150s. But I am sure the older ones would be fine, especially sweetened by the discount.

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When reviews comparing the Q100 and Q150 (with measurements) ever come out it'll be a little less subjective, but I certainly think the new model are noticeably better. And it wasn't a subtle difference to my ears.

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......................................but I certainly think the new model are noticeably better. And it wasn't a subtle difference to my ears.
That's subjective!

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That's subjective!
Yes, and I clearly pre-qualified my statement as being such.

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Well, probably just as good. Better is subjective.


Yep. I'm sure it'd be fine to use the older ones with the newer ones, especially as surrounds. But even as a center (see below) it'd probably be fine.


If money is no object, or you're the kind of person that will always wonder "what if?" (most of us are), get the newer model to match your 150s. But I am sure the older ones would be fine, especially sweetened by the discount.
Thanks for the input~ I definitely agree that better is subjective. I was actually shocked when I auditioned the Elac UB5 speakers; after hearing so much praise for them, I found them to be hollow and tinny.

When you mention discount for the older gen speakers, which retailer were you referring to? when i looked at amazon, the older model and newer model were the same price.
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I currently have a pair of Q100s as my PC speakers. I love them, they sound so much better than my Usher's. I am guessing the Q150s sound better than the Q100s

1) If I were to use Q150s as my front speakers (LR) and use the Q100s as surround speakers would they sound okay (timbre matched)?

2) Assuming I use Q150s as the front speakers, what would be better for a center? Q200c / Q600c / Q650c? (it would be on my desk about 3-4 ft away; I also read that the Q650c isn't a 3-way speaker - don't know if that matters)
If you're only 3-4 feet away you can get by without a center. I have a new set of Q300's and sit in a 7'4" triangle with the fronts towed in pointing at my shoulders. I'm using a Yamaha RX-V477 5.1 receiver without a center. With the fronts towed in pointing to about the outsides of my shoulders I get really good center imaging of the vocals on screen. Voices sound like they are centered on the screen and very clear.
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As much as I love my KEF R200c center speaker, I have to agree with @bugtussle that with that a short distance from speakers to listening position a center speaker isn't required.

If you were ever to open up that distance though it would be good to have one and if it's a Q200c or Q600c in consideration it's best to get one now while there's still a few left.

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If I were to forego a center channel, how would dolby digital and dts handle the center channel signal? some of the PC games I play are in stereo or DD 5.1
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If I were to forego a center channel, how would dolby digital and dts handle the center channel signal? some of the PC games I play are in stereo or DD 5.1
The center duties would distributed to the FL/FR channels. FWIW, I did the phantom center for a while and it sounded pretty good. Adding the Q200c did make a big difference though and I'd have a hard time going back to not having one. I sit roughly 7-8 feet away.

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The center duties would distributed to the FL/FR channels. FWIW, I did the phantom center for a while and it sounded pretty good. Adding the Q200c did make a big difference though and I'd have a hard time going back to not having one. I sit roughly 7-8 feet away.
Agreed and don't care how close you sit. A phantom may sound okay but the mix that is designated to come from the center speaker is just that. You can send it to left/right but that is not it's proper "planned" implementation. The center speaker is the most important speaker (sub debate might occur) hands down for a great sounding HT set-up.

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If I were to forego a center channel, how would dolby digital and dts handle the center channel signal? some of the PC games I play are in stereo or DD 5.1
What receiver or amp are you using to power your L-R speakers now? Most AV receivers have a room correction app such as Audyssey, ARC or MCACC to setup various speaker configurations. Those can usually be set to create a "phantom center" and it does work OK, though nothing really replaces a true speaker there.

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What receiver or amp are you using to power your L-R speakers now? Most AV receivers have a room correction app such as Audyssey, ARC or MCACC to setup various speaker configurations. Those can usually be set to create a "phantom center" and it does work OK, though nothing really replaces a true speaker there.
I am using the Sony STR-ZA1000ES, however, if a center channel sounds fine in a near-field situation and sounds better than a phantom center, I don't mind spending the money to get a surround configuration. This also allows me the option of using the speaker system in a home theater if I ever get a house.

I bought my Q100s during their black friday sale last year. Do you think they 150s / 650 will be on sale this year?
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I am using the Sony STR-ZA1000ES, however, if a center channel sounds fine in a near-field situation and sounds better than a phantom center, I don't mind spending the money to get a surround configuration. This also allows me the option of using the speaker system in a home theater if I ever get a house.

I bought my Q100s during their black friday sale last year. Do you think they 150s / 650 will be on sale this year?
If they do, I'm sure it wouldn't be until at least close to Christmas time, like they did the past few years with selected items. That's how I got my pair of R100's for $799.99 (on sale right now for that), my son's Q500, my KEF M500 headphones, and a few other items. I love how KEF dealers sell for the same price as any sale on KEFDirect.com and I can just take them home from the store.

BTW, I do think a center speaker is more effective when the distances between the listener, left, right and center speakers are about equal. I find it (the center) less effective when the left and right are closer to it and each other and the listener is too far away. Everything is relative, meaning in your close quarters it would work better than if you were 12 feet away from speakers only a few feet apart from each other, but you should clearly notice more defined dialogue and greater stereo separation from left-center-right panning of sound.

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Agreed and don't care how close you sit. A phantom may sound okay but the mix that is designated to come from the center speaker is just that. You can send it to left/right but that is not it's proper "planned" implementation. The center speaker is the most important speaker (sub debate might occur) hands down for a great sounding HT set-up.

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I agree but I have Q900's and a Q600c and sit about 8ft away and most times have a hard time telling if my 600c is working or not! Very hard to localize the sound coming from it.
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I agree but I have Q900's and a Q600c and sit about 8ft away and most times have a hard time telling if my 600c is working or not! Very hard to localize the sound coming from it.
As it should be.

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Hi Guys,

What a nightmare signing up to this forum but glad im here.

Have an opertunity to get the outgoing q900 series speakers at half price.

Decided to give my old b&w 603s3 surround system the boot. Some of the drivers have cracked have replacement drivers sitting there but figured its time to upgrade.

Im considering getting

Q900 front
q100 sides and rears

And im stuck on the centre as the store im buying them from doesnt have them in stock.

Iver thought about getting another q100 or 300 and using it as a centre but worried it wont be enough.

Could also go the q300s for sides and rears but have read the 100s have more clarity.

They will be paired with a SVS PB12-plus,

I could hold out and wait for a q600 centre to come along but thought is wait to hear some suggestions,
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