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I bet they do! Will you be reviewing any of Ken Kreisel's speaker packages?
I've asked to review them (especially his subs), but haven't been given the go-ahead by Rob (Editor).

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Wouldn't it be nice if the new company would revive the practice of silkscreening the old-school logo on the subwoofer dust-caps again? I really miss that look and have a vivid memory of my first encounter with M&K Sound back in 1993.

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Thanks to those that responded to my recent post a few weeks back on mixing S-85's and S-125s. I ended up buying a full S-125 L-C-R setup with LDM-125 stands in great condition to replace the S-85 MKII's. The S-125s are 4 ohms and the S-85 MKII's are 8 ohms. I can only run one S-125 at a time off my Denon 3805. No sound if all 3 are hooked up. When I switch back to the S-85's it takes a few minutes to get sound back. The 3805 may be able to drive other 4 ohm setups but not mine as configured, so it's time to add an amp.
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Thanks to those that responded to my recent post a few weeks back on mixing S-85's and S-125s. I ended up buying a full S-125 L-C-R setup with LDM-125 stands in great condition to replace the S-85 MKII's. The S-125s are 4 ohms and the S-85 MKII's are 8 ohms. I can only run one S-125 at a time off my Denon 3805. No sound if all 3 are hooked up. When I switch back to the S-85's it takes a few minutes to get sound back. The 3805 may be able to drive other 4 ohm setups but not mine as configured, so it's time to add an amp.
Interesting. For about five years I was running my S150THX 5.1 set up (paired with an MX350 sub) from a Denon AVR2809 (essentially the equivalent of the 3805) with no issues whatsoever. As well, it could play movies at very loud volumes - louder than I'd ever want to listen - without issue. These speakers are also 4 ohm. Since that time I've upgraded to Marantz separates...
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I was surprised too since I read so many posts on the 3805 being able to handle 4 ohm. I am the second owner of the 3805 and haven't had it too long (replaced a 2805). I has no probs driving 3 S-85MKII's and 3 CS-22's (all 8 ohm), but once the S-125's are in play instead of the S-85MKII's, zip sound from L-C-R. Maybe an issue with the aging 3805 the prior owner didn't tell me about, dunno. Thinking of buying a used Emotiva UPA-500 amp and see what happens. Holding off on a newer AVR until I upgrade the TV. Hopefully the amp will solve the issue with the S-125's.
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Thanks to those that responded to my recent post a few weeks back on mixing S-85's and S-125s. I ended up buying a full S-125 L-C-R setup with LDM-125 stands in great condition to replace the S-85 MKII's. The S-125s are 4 ohms and the S-85 MKII's are 8 ohms. I can only run one S-125 at a time off my Denon 3805. No sound if all 3 are hooked up. When I switch back to the S-85's it takes a few minutes to get sound back. The 3805 may be able to drive other 4 ohm setups but not mine as configured, so it's time to add an amp.

That's very bizarre!

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Well, really not sure what I did beforehand to get no sound out of the S-125's and the Denon 3805, but I unhooked and re-wired and now everything is working like a champ. Pays to take a second look before wasting money on an amp :-)
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Pays to take a second look before wasting money on an amp :-)
You wouldn't have regretted buying an amp, in my opinion. Yes, your receiver will play everything you need it to and play it loud enough, but that doesn't mean you will hear all the subtle details in movies and music. I'm not someone who thinks a $10,000 200 watt per channel amplifier sounds better than a $500 200 watt per channel amp. They all sound the same to me. I can, however, tell the difference between a 50 watt per channel amp and a 200 wpc amp. Denon makes nice receivers for sure but I'll be willing to bet that your speakers are getting about half of that power or maybe even less.

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You wouldn't have regretted buying an amp, in my opinion. Yes, your receiver will play everything you need it too and play it loud enough, but that doesn't mean you will hear all the subtle details in movies and music. I'm not someone who thinks a $10,000 200 watt per channel amplifier sounds better than a $500 200 watt per channel amp. They all sound the same to me. I can, however, tell the difference between a 50 watt per channel amp and a 200 wpc amp. Denon makes nice receivers for sure but I'll be willing to bet that your speakers are getting about half of that power or maybe even less.
I agree with this. I purchased my M&K 150 set back in 2000 and first ran them off of a Sony ES receiver and then the Denon 2809. It sounded great. However, a year ago I upgraded to Marantz separates and I can absolutely hear the subtleties (sp?) that I didn't hear before.
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No doubt ... I totally agree going with a separate amp would improve the sound. I just didn't want to have to do that now, but rather at the same time I replace the 3805.
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I agree with this. I purchased my M&K 150 set back in 2000 and first ran them off of a Sony ES receiver and then the Denon 2809. It sounded great. However, a year ago I upgraded to Marantz separates and I can absolutely hear the subtleties (sp?) that I didn't hear before.
Unless your Sony was underpowered for the M&K set, perhaps the audible improvement was due to better quality amplification rather than increased power. I mean, the M&K speakers are 4 ohm, I think, but how much power do they actually need when you have a subwoofer doing the heavy lifting?

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Unless your Sony was underpowered for the M&K set, perhaps the audible improvement was due to better quality amplification rather than increased power. I mean, the M&K speakers are 4 ohm, I think, but how much power do they actually need when you have a subwoofer doing the heavy lifting?
All receivers are technically underpowered. I know it is subjective to one's own taste but I do know that if a receiver says 120 wpc, that 120 watts is only going to the 2 channels in stereo mode. Each channel of sound that gets added to the mix means that power drops. Most of these receivers are pushing about 50 watts per channel with all channels driven. I know there is a lot of snake oil in the audio/video business when it comes to sound quality but adding a separate amplifier instead of using just a receiver isn't one of them. I do think that buying a $10,000 500 WPC Krell mono block as opposed to a $1000 500 WPC Emotiva mono block is just being a label whore. 500 watts is 500 watts. I've had my M&K's amplified by a Denon AVR-988 receiver, then added an Emotiva XPA-3, then swapped that out with a 7 channel Outlaw at 75 wpc, and then finally, a Sherbourn 7 channel at 150 watts per channel (200 wpc @ 4ohm for my LCR-750's). When I put 150 watts to my Surround 550's, they lit up. My wife noticed, my neighbor noticed, and it was the first thing I noticed after firing it up. I don't think they would sound any better if I went and bought a different 150 wpc amp. If I bought a 300 wpc amp, I'm sure I would notice a little.
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Fellow M&K Fans,
M&K S1-Cs in pristine condition looking for good home.

OK. Went overboard.
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Fellow M&K Fans,
M&K S1-Cs in pristine condition looking for good home.

OK. Went overboard.
Main listening room has been
6x M&K S1-C
2x M&K MX-70b
Parasound C2 controller
Parasound 1206 amp

reducing. Looking to sell
1 or 2 pair of S1-Cs
Keeping last pair for 2 channel listening.
Original owner.
Have original boxes and receipt.

$949/pair including FedEx ground to lower 48
Please let me know if you decide to sell both of your MX-70B subwoofers. I currently own a pair and would love to add an additional pair to my listening room.

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