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post #361 of 3951 Old 07-27-2007, 07:08 AM
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I've got five S-150P's and an MX-5000 all being fed by a Parasound Halo C1.




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I have owned many different M&K's. From the 750 system then the s-80's, s-85's, s-125's, s-100b's, s-150's, s-250's, and the s-5000's. I have also owned the little cubes. My favorite are the S-5000 speakers. I currently have 7 of them in a 7.2 setup. These are way overkill for surrounds but blend so perfectly with the fronts. I am actually thinking of selling them to go to real cinema speakers.

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At what level do you guys think I need to go to better the 5000? What speaker?

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Yes, the M&K S-85 MkII is an S-85 cabinet with MPS-1510 crossover (and I believe tweeter - the woofers are the same).


Here's a start of a new thought: So you're all fans, right? How about everybody say which M&K models were their favorite (let's say top three), and which do you own?

I'm just getting curious.


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Hi Chris

The acoustic foams around the tweeters of my friend's old S150s have recently been found to be deteriorated (softened) due to aging under humid environment.

I would like to know where he can find the replacement parts of these acoustic foam for his M&K S150 ?

Besides, what kind of glue that he may use to stick them back onto the monitor speakers ?



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How do you guys put pictures in?

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How do you guys put pictures in?

Just upload the photos to some free photo web site such as Photobucket.

Then use [img] ... photo address ... [/img] to include it and link it to your post.

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At what level do you guys think I need to go to better the 5000? What speaker?

I'm confused as to why you would want to upgrade, the 5000 series are probably the best home theater speakers to come from M&K, heck even Dolby used them as reference monitors when they were working on the orginal AC3 (Dolby Digital).

IMO as home theater speakers they are one of the top ones out there.
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Thanks

You're welcome.

Alternatively, you can upload your photos to AVS photo gallery under your profile --> upload

Since you are a senior AVS member (advanced) so you should have plenty of space for the photo upload.



I am a new member so only have 1024K for upload storage.

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I have two MPS-150s with a S-125 center and MPS-2520 and MPS-1610s for surrounds complemented by the pro versions of the MX-5000MKII and MX-700 subs.
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I have three S-85 (LCR) and two K4 (tripoles) matched to a BK XLS 200 sub.
Due to space constraints I might have to replace the center S-85 by a smaller speaker.
I was wondering if a M&K Xenon LCR36 would be a good enough match for the other S-85s.

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I've got five S-150P's and an MX-5000 all being fed by a Parasound Halo C1.




Chet those front speakers look a little high, does it sound weird when your watching a movie etc?
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While I will admit that they are not the best possible placement, I had to work with my surrounding limitations. With the door openings, room openings and the fact that, when I installed them, I knew my wife and I were soon to start having kids, I didn't want to put them any lower.

I was right too. My 2-year old boy would demolish them if they were on stands and who knows what our 3-month old twin boys will do when they get to the "terrible twos".

The speakers are all tilted toward the sweet spot and I can even see the red light in the middle of all the speakers (when sitting in the sweet spot). So, I know I'm getting the best possible sound from them where they are installed. The red light is designed to only be seen when sitting EXACTLY in the sweet spot.

To answer your question though, they don't necessarily sound "weird". Could they sound better? I'm sure they would sound better if they were ear level, but I didn't have that option.

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I notice the auction of M&K Assets including the following important items:

IP Address

M&K Trademarks

M&K Logos

Intellectual Properties




I wonder who or which company got them from the Auction ??




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I have a THX pm3 system with M&K 7.3 setup controlled by Lexicon MC-12B V5 EQ:

(1) M&K MPS 2510P x 3 (Active Monitor)
(2) M&K MPS 2525 x 2 (Tripole Surround) <-- Driven by Parasound Halo A23 Stereo Amp
(3) M&K MPS 1525 x 2 (Tripole Surround) <-- Driven by Parasound Halo A23 Stereo Amp
(4) M&K MPS 5310 x 1 (Subwoofer Left)
(5) M&K MX-350 x 1 (Subwoofer Right)
(6) M&K MX-70B x 1 (LFE)



(7) M&K Professional LFE5.1SDS Studio Bass Management Controller for Stereo Play Back
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Hi,

I'm back from sorting (gotta keep it all an inch or two outta kicking distance or stacks fall). Don't worry, I keep knocking over disks, not delicate M&K stuff!

The S-200 was not as popular, maybe because consumers didn't want to pay so much for a surround. But it was basically an MP-1625, which was a surround version of the MPS-1610. It's a nice speaker, but was improved upon sonically when the powered version was done in both cases (1625P and 1611P).
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On the S-5000 step up, I think it would depend on the room, and what you really want to do. If you really won't be satisfied until you have Voice of the Theaters in your lap, then I guess you need to go there. If you are wondering if your room is too large, well, you can tell if you're noticing that you have coverage problems or an inability to make the level you desire. Based on the 94-95 dB sensitivity, you should be able to play a seven channel S-5000 setup pretty easily to a 10 - 20 seat mini-theater (depending on seat arrangement) in a room up to 20'x30' fairly easily. The high side of those numbers might give problems, but then you could play with five speakers across the front. If you really have a room this big or larger and need to play to 20 or more seats, you probably want to look at something like a JBL Synthesis 2 or 1. After that, then it's getting pro theater speakers. But bear in mind, those are not designed for close listening. And they are not as smooth and musical as a well-designed high-end home theater speaker. They are more designed to be robust and keep playing at theater levels night-after-night, with few break-downs. So you'll have to make your choice.
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The foam we used was a specially imprinted (see the diamonds?) acoustic foam from Soundcoat. The foam itself was a 2 lb acoustic foam, and the imprint was supposed to help it acoustically. I think it just made it look better because the wavelengths affected by such a small physical adjustment are pretty short (around 1/16). Look for some 2 lb acoustic foam, cut it to the same size, and then attach it with a light layer of silicone glue (yeah, it stinks, but holds everything to everythingjust about).

If you need any more help towards this let me know. I could contact Soundcoat and inquire about pricing if you want the original.
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The LCR-36 was designed to be pretty linear. It would match the S-85 I would think in its linear hook up, but I haven't heard a comparison. The LCR-36 is a pretty good character match for the CR-2401. Pro's really liked that one because of its neutrality and musical character.
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Actually, the term intellectual property used in the auction was sort of misleading. It said including, but was the same as Kellog's Corned Flakes, including corn flakes, bag, and easy-to-read-box!!!! The IP that was auctioned consisted of the full company name Miller & Kreisel Sound Corporation and any version thereof (Corp. Co., etc.), the use of the brands MK Sound, M&K Sound and M&K Professional, all use of the various logos, as well as rights to a patented subwoofer idea. Then there was legal gobbletigook about liens against, blah blah blah. I can't find the sheet, so I'm quoting from memory.

Anyway, the point is, it didn't contain much of what, as an engineer, I think of as IP. The designs were stored on the server, the engineering pc's, file cabinets in my office, papers and files and binders on my desks, papers in my EE's area, and one last file cabinet out in the prototype shop.

Now, the bad news is I never saw the file cabinet in the prototype shop in the auction. So that's gone, in some way. Also, the top surface of my desk was clean. I heard that in getting ready for the auction, several dumpsters were pulled up to the rear doors of M&K and tons of papers were dumped therein.

On the other hand, in the auction my EE and I acquired all of the engineering pc's as well as all of the testing pc's. So we have a great deal of the design data as well as reference curves, windows and macros for all of the models. This was enhanced by my bumping into the fellow who bought my office set on Friday - he only wanted one file cabinet, and didn't care about the papers inside (which the auction staff had left), so he let me take as many of those as I wanted. So I left manuals for thinks that I don't have, old catalogs, and all, but grabbed every file on any M&K product as well as notes and procedures.

So I have what I consider to be the
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Oooppss...............what I consider to be the IP.

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The LCR-36 was designed to be pretty linear. It would match the S-85 I would think in its linear hook up, but I haven't heard a comparison. The LCR-36 is a pretty good character match for the CR-2401. Pro's really liked that one because of its neutrality and musical character.

Thanks for the reply, Chris, it is very much appreciated.

I'd also like to wish you and all the other M&K employees who lost their jobs good luck.
I do hope you find a suitable and enjoyable employment soon.

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I don't have any coverage problems and my room is 21 x 16. My 5000'S fill it up with no problem. I was just wondering what you thought would better them. They are a great speaker. I can't even turn them up all the way(reference levels) on most movies. I did not know they were that sensitive. Does that mean at 1 watt at 1 meter it will play 95 db's? I am running ADA's MPA-501 amp into these which is rated at 450 watts per channel(5 channel). I also have the ADA PF-2501 running the 2 back channels(same amp but 2 channel). When I go to the movies I always feel that the voices are just a little more clear. I went to the simpsons movie this weekend and then that same night I watched a movie in my theater and everyone(who saw both) liked my theater better. I guess I am just nuts. The M&K S-5000 THX's are better than any home theater speaker system I have heard or owned. If I were to change them it would not be a home speaker. I think I just need to see transformers and potter at home to compare to the cinema. I will know better when 300 comes out tuesday.

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DDLooping - Thanks! A lot of people think of Ken when they think of M&K, but a lot of other people made it go, too - Rafael, Misha, Manuel, Frank, Elvira, Brett, Almaz, Chuck, Suzy, Mike, Mack, Rich, Dave, Lester, Jonas, Paul, Jaye, Juan, Frankie, and many many more. I'm sure those still around and in need all thank you for your thoughts!
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MKtheater - you COULD check out a JBL Synthesis 3 system. I did the voicing on that, and heard it was the only one that sounded good on music. So if your room is plenty loud, and you're looking for quality upgrades, it does become subjective. So you'll have to listen around.

But first - is your center standing upright or lying down?
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Makes me feel good to hear an M&K person recommend the Synthesis line. I have three on the way (L/C/R) though they are on the lower end of their systems (the HT end).

I was originally planning on going with M&K when I could afford to upgrade. I had mentioned on another thread a friend uses them to mix sound for movies and I was duly impressed by his set-up.
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Hi MLKStudios,

Well it's only fair. Previously to manager of engineering at M&K (7 yrs), I was at JBL for 10 yrs and designed the first Synthesis 3 (I think it's still the same), and the first HT series which later made the Synthesis line (after I left). I also designed the L series with the L-7 in it, and quite a number of others.

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I ordered 1-HT4H (C) and 2-HT5s (temp R/L till I can afford to upgrade to the THX HT4Vs and move the HT5s to surround position). Are those your designs?

Currently I am using Control 1X for all but the center channel. And they sound pretty good (for $35 speakers). Running off an H/K 347.
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I ordered 1-HT4H (C) and 2-HT5s (temp R/L till I can afford to upgrade to the THX HT4Vs and move the HT5s to surround position). Are those your designs?

Currently I am using Control 1X for all but the center channel. And they sound pretty good (for $35 speakers). Running off an H/K 347.


No I did the first ones: HT1F, HT1S, and the HT1Sub. Then the HTPS-300. Then I was laid off at the end of '97.

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Chris, you are a legend! What M&K models were you involved with?

I currently have 5 S-150s and an MX-350. The system is quite impressive. I sure wish I had known about the auction. I found out a few days late. I would have liked to pick up some S-150s in light cherry.

Do you have any aspirations of opening your own speaker company? What are your plans for the future?

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