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post #3931 of 3953 Old 05-17-2015, 05:47 PM
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^ Thanks for confirming for me. I appreciate the knowledge as I don't have a lot about M&K.
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I have a Denon X7200W for my receiver. I'm currently using Def Techs and Tannoy for Atmos overhead speakers. I've just really gotten into M&K recently. I see that many of their speakers are 4Ohms. Would the Denon 7200 be able to drive those without overheating?

I use a 7200 to power my MK 300/150 Atmos system. No issues.

Have also used the 5200 to power an MK S150 7.2.4 system at reference all gas long.

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I'm a 150 owner (with a 350 sub) and used to power my five speakers with a Denon AVR2809. The system played VERY loud (while around -5 on volume) with no overheating or clipping issues. I've since switched to Marantz separates also without issue. I think you'll be just fine with a 7200
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I think you'll be just fine with a 7200
Denon seems to agree.
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Thanks Bostown

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So you scored a great 2.1 system. The S-90s seem to be the hidden gem in the bigger scheme of M&K products over the years. It's a close Kin to the S-5000THX in fact as I've written in other posts , When space constraints doesn't allow the user to use an S-5000thx, the S-90 is recommended as a direct replacement to use in it's place. as a 2 Channel set up the S-90 / V 125 combo will certainly hold it's own against other models in the M&K Line up ( S-125 comes to mind) .

In any case if you're looking at 2 Channel amps for stereo functionality. An ADCOM 555 / 555 II , Carver A500x , are fairly priced on the used market. NAD 2200PE, 2400, 2600a are also very much up to the task. Other brands to keep watch for B&K, Rotel, Parasound. again if you're looking at "previously owned" units there are several options at all price levels.

I STRONGLY recommend getting a high pass filter ( placed between your pre-amp and amp) choke the sats at 80hz and let the sub handle the rest. M&K had a few variations . If you're using an AV pre-amp or receiver. you can sort out hi/low pass within that unit so no need for a separate passive unit , but if your pre-amp doesn't allow for filtering ( most don't , although Parasound's P5 does and is also a solid DAC) you should find a hi pass filter so that you can properly dial in the S-90's to mate with the V-125 sub.

There isn't much chatter out there on the web about the S-90's but it's a great sounding speaker system. Music, Movies the whole nine yards.
Thanks alot for your input. Just posted over on amp receiver forum for even more input. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the help guys on answering about whether my Denon could power M&K's. I now have a S150 5.1 set up that really sings!

I have another question about a set of 4 M&K Sats I picked up off the bay about a week ago. They are listed as CR-500 Satellite Speakers (although the ebay ad listed them as "C-500" speakers. The ad also listed them as Used in good condition. In the fine print (which is my fault at reading failure) the previous owner stated that the speakers worked but he couldn't get enough hi out of them for his liking. He said it could be his player or maybe the tweeters in the speakers.

Sure enough there is most definitely no tweeter activity going on in the 4 speakers. They all sound muffled. I can't find any information on this model of M&K speaker. They seem pretty recent and have the curved metal speaker cover on them. Would anyone know anything about these or about the tweeters in them? Ken Kreisel has been very helpful in the past, but I hate to bug him when I should be able to find the answer through the enthusiast community- especially on products from his former company.
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Can you pull one out and post a photo or three, including whatever number is stamped on it?
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I'll try to do that unless I can get a return authorized through ebay. I've attached a couple of photos of the speakers. They seem to look somewhat like the 550, but without the THX.
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Looks like I'm keeping the speakers. This is speculation, but 4 speakers each with blown tweeters sounds pretty suspect. Do you think it might more likely be the crossover or the driver itself? I'll try to take one apart soon to see the part number. If it's the tweeter (really hope it's NOT the crossover) maybe I can get a part number. It doesn't seem to be one of their top lines so it's possible they might have pulled off the shelf parts for it.

Thanks for any help.
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If it's the tweeter (really hope it's NOT the crossover) maybe I can get a part number.
You can repair a crossover, you can't repair a tweeter.
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It doesn't seem to be one of their top lines so it's possible they might have pulled off the shelf parts for it.
Chances are slim to none. But that doesn't mean you couldn't find something of the shelf that would sort of work, then redesign or modify the crossover to make them acceptable, if not a match to the original. If that's a two-way, the crossover is probably pretty simple. Crossover components are really easy to find.
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I am using the MK S150 LCR(US flag) with Marantz 7701 n Emotiva XPA5, just wonder what kind of speaker cable will be a good match ?????????????????????

Thanks in advance for any input from experienced user.

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I am using the MK S150 LCR(US flag) with Marantz 7701 n Emotiva XPA5, just wonder what kind of speaker cable will be a good match ?????????????????????

Thanks in advance for any input from experienced user.
12ga copper will work just fine, 14ga will work fine too.

Like this: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
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Thanks for your input. However, I am in Hong Kong n it will be a reach to get Monoprice in US. Hope there are other choices with more common brand.

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Thanks for your input. However, I am in Hong Kong n it will be a reach to get Monoprice in US. Hope there are other choices with more common brand.

Don't waste money on stupid exotic or expensive cables. Any decent basic cable will do.
I run my MK 300's on cable that costs £2.75 pm.

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Noted with thanks. Some friend suggested Supra '3.4 ply'(Made in Sweden) for only US$3.85/ft.. What do you guys think ?

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Thanks for your input. However, I am in Hong Kong n it will be a reach to get Monoprice in US. Hope there are other choices with more common brand.
The Monoprice is just an example. What I should have said is, ANY 12ga or 14ga wire is fine. If you had an electrical supply store or building supply store that carries wires, they should have something that will work just fine if you can put on your own connectors, or (gasp!) go connector-free. I've even cut up extension cord on occasion.

Funny you have problems dealing with Monoprice...yet I'm pretty sure all of their product comes from ...well, where you are.
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No problem to order from Monoprice but freight alone to ship it here may cost more than the cables. Tks for yr input.
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Has anyone here found a paint that matches the original product that M&K used on their speakers? (S-150thx etc)
I have some speakers that I plan to list for sale on that big auction site and they need a bit of TLC, I'm probably not going to mess with them but would like to list some paint options that the buyer could use.
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found a pair of these on ebay for 900 or so, I am not familiar with the brand. How do they sound, studios use them for mixing back in the day. Whats the sensitivity of the 150 speakers will they play at reference?

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found a pair of these on ebay for 900 or so, I am not familiar with the brand. How do they sound, studios use them for mixing back in the day. Whats the sensitivity of the 150 speakers will they play at reference?

These will be the the S150mk1's.
Probably some if the best and most iconic theatre speakers out there.
The company was bought out after it folded in 2007 by the Danish.

The 150 range is still produced today in a mk2 variant and continue to be used by mixing studios all over the world today.

Off the top of my head they are 88db efficient 4ohm,but sound best on the end of a power amp.
They love power and can be driven to well beyond reference level in all but the biggest rooms.

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These will be the the S150mk1's.
Probably some if the best and most iconic theatre speakers out there.
The company was bought out after it folded in 2007 by the Danish.

The 150 range is still produced today in a mk2 variant and continue to be used by mixing studios all over the world today.

Off the top of my head they are 88db efficient 4ohm,but sound best on the end of a power amp.
They love power and can be driven to well beyond reference level in all but the biggest rooms.
They would be hooked up to my Crown Cinema DSI amps getting 500 or so clean RMS or 1000 bridged it. Do people use ther surrounds as suggested or could I use more of the 150 for surrounds. They are so cheap now.
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They would be hooked up to my Crown Cinema DSI amps getting 500 or so clean RMS or 1000 bridged it. Do people use ther surrounds as suggested or could I use more of the 150 for surrounds. They are so cheap now.

You can def use more S150's as surrounds. The SS150 is the old tripole surround and works brilliantly if you can find some second hand ones. The current version is the S150T b

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Help with MK Movie Setup

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I am losing my surround set of M&K S-85s to a split up and do not have the budget to get a fair replacement. I debated the new Onkyo HTIB Atmos system but instead opted for the MK Movie system due to my love of the S-85s, M&K's reputation, etc. I was able to snag a brand new system for a great price. I am pairing it with a Denon receiver that I got for half price as it has reached it's model end (S900W). It's their lower line but reviews extremely high and is rated great for powering 4 ohms.

I am not an audiophile, do not know much technical "stuff" really. I am looking to get a decent mix of use for music, movies, and TV.

In a quick test of the receiver with only the two front K4s and the KX-10 subwoofer, I found that it performed very well in some ways but then was let down in others. Not being an audiophile, I am looking for help in where the issues might be and what I can do to improve performance with the equipment I have now. Long term upgrades will add better M&Ks (one of the reasons I started there - I figure I can add a better sub and front speakers easily keeping in the family.)

I am asking without having set up the center and surrounds because my concerns are more with the front channel tones and volumes, esp when it comes to music, so I am not too worried about the surrounds.

The short of it is that I have a deep bass tone and good higher end but am missing some oomph only in certain things. I suspect that either the front speakers are not getting good mids or not getting good lower end more specifically. They might be too little and underpowered. Or it's the sub. What do I know?

So, step one: which is more likely? Based on the fact that I can turn off the sub on the S-85s and still get great sounds, I think it's the front speakers not hitting good low-mids.... But if so, is that something that can be improved in tweaking settings and sub crossovers, etc?

The performance on movies and TV without the center or surround hooked up seems OK. My biggest concern there is volume - I have to drive it up to 55 for a decent listening volume, more if I want to watch at a great movie volume. That said, while 0-50 is way too quiet, from about 55-70, it goes from the low end volume I'd want to as loud as I'd ever want. 75 is room shaking, ear splitting. (Scale of 100.)

Should I be worried about driving them this hard? I am assuming that the center channel will improve this also.

Next: semi-noticeable in movies/tv but a much bigger problem in music is what it I said earlier that I amateurishly guess is something in the low mid-range. I hear a deep bass out of the sub, and the M4s are nice and bright, but in only certain music, there's something very, very missing. Newer music seems to do well (alternative, electronic, rock), bass and all. It's no S-85 system, but it's OK. But then I hit some things where they just lose a lot of oomph. I hear the really low bass, no power in the middle.

I played with the crossover settings, and that def makes a difference, but I don't know if that will be the solution/can make enough difference.

For compact higher frequency front speakers, do I want a higher crossover? Is there a recommendation between using the receiver to set one crossover for all speakers, using the receiver and setting different crossovers for different speakers, or using the crossover settings on the subwoofer directly?

Is there a fairly cheap add-on to give a little help since I cannot afford to buy the truly good stuff, assuming it's the underpowered mid-range/lower end mids or higher end bass, not a subwoofer problem? Or does it sound like the sub?

Is a high quality low gauge wire worth the money to help these get a little more out of them? Recommendations? the receiver is off center, so the right front is about 10-12 feet away. Rears retain their pre-existing super-duper wire but we don't remember what that was.

Any other suggestions? I feel good in getting a $1600 M&K system and a $700 receiver both for half price vs the $800 Onkyo system, so I am going to stick with it and work to upgrade if I find over time that I am not satisfied. I just want to get the best out of it that I can for now.

Note: the overall space is large but the listening area is not. I have some decent placement options in front to play with but probably cannot wall mount.

thanks for any help!
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