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I recently helped clean out a family members shed and found a M&K MX-125 MK II, and since it had been sitting there and the owner did not want it, I decided to give it a new home. I just tried hooking it up to my amp using the mono input on the back with the gain knob set at low, ran some tunes through and then turned the amp up. I got sound out of it for a split second then nothing. I checked the fuse and it seems fine, the red light on the plate amp is on and solid. I know it isn't my RCA cable, it works fine with my other sub.

I know this is an older sub after doing research, and I couldn't really find much information online and saw this somewhat active thread on M&K products. I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as far as troubleshooting what my issue might be, the unit seems to be in great condition and id hate to toss it. Thanks in advance
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forgot to mention that when I plug the sub in, I can hear the subs power up, is it possible the potentiometer for the gain just crapped out? If so, can anybody point me in the direction of a replacement part?

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I just found out that M&K is changing US distribution again. This is likely the reason I haven't gotten more info regarding the noise from the grill on my X12.
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This is the explanation I received from M&K Denmark regarding the difference between THX EQ and MK ANECHOIC EQ.

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EQ position THX EQ is the THX specified response – which is flat down to 30 Hz followed by a roll off – ending at -6dB at 20 Hz.

The MK EQ / MK anechoic is then rolling off a bit more at app 35 Hz to be -12 dB at 20 Hz.
I think the THX specified response referred to here is the Select2 spec for the X10 rather than the Ultra2 spec for the X12 which should be flat down to 20 Hz.

I also found the graph below which supports the MK ANECHOIC having a slightly greater roll off. It comes from an asian language (Chinese?) site: http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/foru...read&tid=56485

Translated version: [Official test report] MK THX Sound X12 test report

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How does a single mx-150 stack up today? I currently have 2 svs cylinder subs and they rock. I have a guy willing to sell me a mx-150 for $400. That's the only piece that's missing from my original 150 system. Would that blend better with the speakers since it was designed together or should I just be happy with my current setup, is $400 to much for a sub of this age?
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I have a stupid question. Can the MK Sound Sub X12 be placed on their side? Or will that harm them?
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I have a stupid question. Can the MK Sound Sub X12 be placed on their side? Or will that harm them?

I can't see any reason not to place an X12 on its side. Just put some isolation underneath it.


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I'm off to the ISE in Amsterdam next week. I will be visiting the MK Sound booth. Will report back to you guys.


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I can definitely attest to how good the 300 series are.


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Spent a lot of time with MK at the ISE. Talking to the engineer who designs and builds the MK's was fascinating.


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Maybe to you, but he's a tracer!!
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Maybe to you, but he's a tracer!!

And you assume this why?


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Hey, lemme ask you something. If somebody draws something and you draw, like right on top of it, without going outside the original designated art, what do you call that?
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Hey, lemme ask you something. If somebody draws something and you draw, like right on top of it, without going outside the original designated art, what do you call that?

Who do you think was involved in the original designs? I'm not getting into the Ken is god debate. It's not as black and white as you think.


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Who do you think was involved in the original designs? I'm not getting into the Ken is god debate. It's not as black and white as you think.


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Nothing to with Ken being god at all. It is obvious which side of the story you have chosen and you clearly don't know as much as you think. Anyone who knew the full story wouldn't set up a business dealing with such a supplier. I do wonder how some people can sleep at night.
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Nothing to with Ken being god at all. It is obvious which side of the story you have chosen and you clearly don't know as much as you think. Anyone who knew the full story wouldn't set up a business dealing with such a supplier. I do wonder how some people can sleep at night.

I will pass on your concerns to the owners of MK when I'm at theirs next. Oh and I do know the Full story.
Let's leave it there I think.


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I will pass on your concerns to the owners of MK when I'm at theirs next. Oh and I do know the Full story.
Let's leave it there I think.


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Please do so.

You know the full story from who? Rob Sinden? One if the main culprits that stabbed Ken in the back? Let's not leave it there.
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Please do so.

You know the full story from who? Rob Sinden? One if the main culprits that stabbed Ken in the back? Let's not leave it there.

No from the OWNERS of MK, the OEM at the time and several ex MK staff.

Ken went bust. There were no fake Chinese copies. The gloss 150's were legit.

I sell MK, I own MK old and new. New MK walks all over old MK. If you want to carry this on please feel free to pm me as this is not the plea to do it.

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Ken went bust. There were no fake Chinese copies. The gloss 150's were legit.
I received 3 x gloss black 'unauthorised' MP150s (one of which had a full short across the speaker terminals) long before Ken ceased trading.


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New MK walks all over old MK...
Yes, you tell us on a very regular basis...
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No from the OWNERS of MK, the OEM at the time and several ex MK staff.

Ken went bust. There were no fake Chinese copies. The gloss 150's were legit.

I sell MK, I own MK old and new. New MK walks all over old MK. If you want to carry this on please feel free to pm me as this is not the plea to do it.

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So there we have it, you do not know the full story at all. You were not involved in any if this 10 years ago, so I can understand how you have been so easily brainwashed into your current state.

There were fake products being sourced by the UK dustributor. I saw them with my own eyes and handled them as well, but sadly I did not know at the time. One of Robs reps brought round a couple of pre-production gloss cabinets to dealers. Ken never supplied these. Shortly after we had stock of this supposedly new finish, which Ken knew nothing about, along with other products that we were told now come direct from China instead of the USA to save on shipping time and costs, again not something that Ken knew about.

So yes Ken went bust but, as you have already admitted, the story that you know and believe has come from the people that contributed to this happening.

You have to question the ethics of a distributor that plays a big part in putting a manufacturer out of business, by knowingly sourcing fake and below par goods behind the back of the manufacturer, but then has the nerve to be involved with the company that was set up to continue to make money off of the products and reputation of the original manufacturer.

Anyone knowing the full story would have to be just as selfish and greedy to support this distributor in any way, shape or form.
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I received 3 x gloss black 'unauthorised' MP150s (one of which had a full short across the speaker terminals) long before Ken ceased trading.
Around 10 years ago now, I saw and held a gloss black cabinet for the MP150 and also the K5 speaker. Neither of them had drivers in them. Ken knew nothing about them being shown to dealers and would never have authorised just a cabinet being shown in advance of the product being released.
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Around 10 years ago now, I saw and held a gloss black cabinet for the MP150 and also the K5 speaker. Neither of them had drivers in them. Ken knew nothing about them being shown to dealers and would never have authorised just a cabinet being shown in advance of the product being released.
It was in the UK that I bought the gloss black MP150s from an authorised M&K retailer. They were supplied by the M&K official UK distributor - Rob Sinden's company.

As previously mentioned, one speaker didn't work at all due to having an internal short circuit. That's when I contacted M&K in the US. After reading about M&K's quality control I didn't expect a speaker that didn't work at all.

After an initial reply from Barry Ober, Ken himself contacted me and, as you say, said he had never authorised any gloss black MP150 speakers to be built and sold. This was quite some time before Ken ceased trading with M&K.

If the new MK speakers were somehow officially announced as the World's best speakers, I certainly wouldn't buy them.

Like you say, I like to sleep at night.
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There were no fake Chinese copies. The gloss 150's were legit.
To back up my statement and prove you wrong:

M&K: End of Story

"Beware of the MP-150 in the painted high-gloss finish. No legitimate MP-150s have been produced in this finish. M&K-built MP-150s have cabinets painted in the standard M&K textured matte finish used on the S-150."
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Seems to me that you want to hide behind the lies, especially now that you have set up a business that relies on people not knowing the real story, so are not being put off buying products sourced from a greedy selfish liar. I'm sure you will do well out of the ignorance and lack of honesty about the situation.
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Seems to me that you want to hide behind the lies, especially now that you have set up a business that relies on people not knowing the real story, so are not being put off buying products sourced from a greedy selfish liar. I'm sure you will do well out of the ignorance and lack of honesty about the situation.

Please enough. My business does not rely on MK for a start. There are always two sides to a story.
If you want to remain bitter then by all means do so. Do not bring me or my business into it.

Do I think MK is good? Yes I do or I wouldn't sell or own it. MK is under new ownership. They have superb products. They are great guys. The products are better than ever.

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