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Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson 07:45 AM 09-04-2009
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Originally Posted by thedankone View Post

Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes but there is minimal value in "passive" biamping.

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When you "passive bi-amp" do you bypass the internal crossover and leave it up to the audio processor?

No audio processor in common AVRs has any crossover and so cannot support "active' biamping. IMHO, this feature is mostly window dressing as it supports only "passive" biamping.

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Just wondering I use an Onkyo 875 and have used a Marantz 5001 to bi-amp in the past. It just lets you use the surround back channels as the extra amps.

Yup.

thedankone's Avatar thedankone 10:12 AM 09-04-2009
thanks...my onkyo 875 also offers a "bridged" feature, says it can output 200w in stereo vs the 140w normal rating. Is this feature worthless as well? When I have tried this setting it seems I need to turn the volume up to the get the same db output as on the normal setting.
thedankone's Avatar thedankone 10:19 AM 09-04-2009
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The HTM61 is one of the worst I have listened to. ]

Have you hear the htm62? if so what did you think about it?
TNguy22's Avatar TNguy22 10:59 AM 09-04-2009
Thanks for the comments. But those goodies on the XT8 are really good and probably place it much higher than THE XT4. I am still surprised at the lack of reviews.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson 11:33 AM 09-04-2009
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Originally Posted by thedankone View Post

thanks...my onkyo 875 also offers a "bridged" feature, says it can output 200w in stereo vs the 140w normal rating. Is this feature worthless as well?

Try it if you have the option and judge for yourself.

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When I have tried this setting it seems I need to turn the volume up to the get the same db output as on the normal setting.

Strange. I would have expected it to be the same.
joquito's Avatar joquito 01:10 PM 09-04-2009
There is no such thing as "True Biamping". Biamping is the simple act of using separate amplification for the high pass and low pass section of a loudspeaker. An active system puts the crossover in line level, before the amplifiers. The passive system has the crossover at speaker level, after the amplification. Both systems can provide more current, and better channel separation, but the active system exclusively provide lower phase distortion. The active system is the preferred systsem. Using the biamping feature of an AVR is worthless, because there is only one power supply.
dhakaiya's Avatar dhakaiya 03:39 PM 09-04-2009
I'm starting to build my HT slowly and have different mismatched speakers. I just bought a 3808ci receiver which I use with a pair of JBL 4312C (owned since 80's and still in very good shape) and a new SVS sub. I also have a pair of DM302's and a pair of bose 10.2's. I just found a set of 604 S2's in a very good condition for $500. Would it be a good choice as my fronts? Currently the JBL's are in front and Bose in the back. Can anyone please tell me if I should get the 604's? Do you think these would be a good buy? Any help will be appreciated since I've not heard 604 S2's.
HTMAN21's Avatar HTMAN21 04:11 PM 09-04-2009
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Have you hear the htm62? if so what did you think about it?

I only listened to it briefly because I did not think either HTM was worthy of mating with the 683's.
stepmback's Avatar stepmback 10:43 PM 09-04-2009
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I only listened to it briefly because I did not think either HTM was worthy of mating with the 683's.

What do you think a good match would be?
"Timoteo"'s Avatar "Timoteo" 01:59 AM 09-05-2009
I would just like to start off saying thats its very nice to be among fellow B&W fans!
I have a question/concern reguarding my HT setup.

I have been playing around with the crossover points of my mains (683s). For movies i was really enjoying them crossed over at 40hz. Sounded great! However one day i decided to go ahead and watch Batman Begins on BD with the towers set to large and LFE+Main. I was completely blown away by the power and dynamics those settings gave me!

I have decided that i would like to keep those settings for my movies however my question is, am i actually risking any damage to them?

They are being powered by my Denon AVR-889 which is 100w per ch.The front L/R levels in the reciever are set at -5db. Typically i turn the master volume to 0db for a good movie experience.

During the intense scenes i was watching the bass drivers and noticed that they had some pretty good excursion taking place. I am wondering if any clipping could be taking place.

Mind you im not hearing any popping or distortion. They sound great i just need some feedback so i can sleep at night...ya know!

Thanks for all your help with this!!!
recycleman's Avatar recycleman 09:36 AM 09-05-2009
I am putting together another audio system on the main floor and am just learning about the B&W speaker line. I've always used Klipsch and Paradigm speakers which I enjoy but a friend at work raves about his B&W system. After hearing it I know why! Now I have a Denon avr-3802 that will be driving the system on the main floor and wondered if the DM610i would be a good fit with this receiver? Thanks for helping the newbie!
HTMAN21's Avatar HTMAN21 09:46 AM 09-05-2009
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What do you think a good match would be?

My first choice would be the CMC2 then the 685 as a center.

If I was starting from scratch and budget was limited It would be CM9's (played phantom mode) until I could get a CMC2.
thedankone's Avatar thedankone 02:15 PM 09-05-2009
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Can anyone please tell me if I should get the 604's? Do you think these would be a good buy?

I owned some 601 s2, great speakers, yet no comparison to the new 600 line. The question you have to ask yourself is do you want to spend $500 for used speakers? Depending on your rooms size I would audition some new speakers. For about $100 more you could get some new 685s.

Looking at specs only the 604 s2 doesn't really look that much better than the 685s. Yes, the sound stage might be larger. I would be willing to bet the 685 sound much better in the right room.

604 s2:44Hz - 20kHz ± 3dB on reference
axis
90dB spl (2.83V, 1m)

685: 49Hz - 22kHz ±3dB on reference axis
88dB spl (2.83V, 1m)
thedankone's Avatar thedankone 02:22 PM 09-05-2009
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They are being powered by my Denon AVR-889 which is 100w per ch.The front L/R levels in the reciever are set at -5db. Typically i turn the master volume to 0db for a good movie experience.

Thats pretty loud! I'm guessing you own a sub? If your using this setup for ht THX recommends all speakers set at 80hz everything else goes to your sub. I think 40hz is a little low, let that sub do some work. If you think it sounds good then thats all that matters really. You can use a db meter and look up the THX recommended output for HTs...think its around 90db.
Padu2710's Avatar Padu2710 02:54 PM 09-07-2009
Hi all,
Could someone give me a quick list of online sellers of B&W?
Thank you in advance.
Padu.
FAUguy's Avatar FAUguy 03:00 PM 09-07-2009
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Hi all,
Could someone give me a quick list of online sellers of B&W?
Thank you in advance.
Padu.

I think this is the only one
http://www.hometheaterstore.com/Sear...x=0&Search.y=0
HDTimeShifter's Avatar HDTimeShifter 03:08 PM 09-07-2009
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I think this is the only one
http://www.hometheaterstore.com/Sear...x=0&Search.y=0

I noticed that store prices the 685 as a single - wonder if they really sell them as such? It is something a lot of owners here have considered for a center speaker.

Also http://www.listenup.com/, a store here in Colorado, sell via web, although not all their inventory or has quite as extensive a selection as above.
gchanjam's Avatar gchanjam 03:13 PM 09-07-2009
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I noticed that store prices the 685 as a single - wonder if they really sell them as such? It is something a lot of owners here have considered for a center speaker.

Also Listen Up - B&W Selection, a store here in Colorado, sell via web, although not all their inventory or has quite as extensive a selection as above.

I may be wrong but I do believe that B&W does not allow any online sales with the exception of the Zeppelin. I think arrangements are possible if there is no local dealer but if there is one, B&W will not allow anyone to ship their speakers and any dealers that do, risk their agreement with B&W and all warranties are void.
thedankone's Avatar thedankone 03:53 PM 09-07-2009
Thats right B&W is to prestigious to sell online. The HT doesn't sell online they just list the prices ect. They must have a b&m store like 6ave somewhere.
Padu2710's Avatar Padu2710 05:42 PM 09-07-2009
Once I can't buy it online, does any one know some good seller near Orlando, FL or North Canton, OH?
sofast1's Avatar sofast1 06:20 PM 09-07-2009
Don't know about Orlando, but Sound Waves in Lakeland and Audio Visions South in Tampa are both good dealers.
thedankone's Avatar thedankone 06:29 PM 09-07-2009
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Once I can't buy it online, does any one know some good seller near Orlando, FL or North Canton, OH?

Just go to the b&w dealer locator: http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1426
sofast1's Avatar sofast1 06:29 PM 09-07-2009
You can go to the B&W website and click on "Dealer locator" to find a dealer in your area
thedankone's Avatar thedankone 06:31 PM 09-07-2009
Anyone here own Salamander Designs tv or av stands? If so is the quality good?
pbarach's Avatar pbarach 06:47 PM 09-07-2009
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Once I can't buy it online, does any one know some good seller near Orlando, FL or North Canton, OH?

http://www.audiovisions-online.com is in Canton. I haven't been there, but I purchased B&W's from their Solon, Ohio location. Staff there were accommodating, informative, and obtained what I wanted in a reasonable period of time at a fair price. I wouldn't hesitate to shop there again.
dhakaiya's Avatar dhakaiya 11:57 AM 09-08-2009
thedankone,
Thanks for your reply. I think I will hold off and listen to the 685 first.
Appreciate your input.

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Originally Posted by thedankone View Post

I owned some 601 s2, great speakers, yet no comparison to the new 600 line. The question you have to ask yourself is do you want to spend $500 for used speakers? Depending on your rooms size I would audition some new speakers. For about $100 more you could get some new 685s.

Looking at specs only the 604 s2 doesn't really look that much better than the 685s. Yes, the sound stage might be larger. I would be willing to bet the 685 sound much better in the right room.

604 s2:44Hz - 20kHz ± 3dB on reference
axis
90dB spl (2.83V, 1m)

685: 49Hz - 22kHz ±3dB on reference axis
88dB spl (2.83V, 1m)


RLPIII's Avatar RLPIII 02:07 PM 09-08-2009
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Originally Posted by thedankone View Post

Thats right B&W is to prestigious to sell online. The HT doesn't sell online they just list the prices ect. They must have a b&m store like 6ave somewhere.

They do have b&m stores, and have really good prices. I have always gotten the best deals from them here in Dallas/Fort Worth for B&W and most other electronics and have easily spent over $30k with them. I believe that they have 3 stores here. They have since changed their name from The Home Theater Store to Modia.
Reid_T's Avatar Reid_T 10:03 PM 09-08-2009
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They do have b&m stores, and have really good prices. I have always gotten the best deals from them here in Dallas/Fort Worth for B&W and most other electronics and have easily spent over $30k with them. I believe that they have 3 stores here. They have since changed their name from The Home Theater Store to Modia.

I've bought most of my HT components from The Home Theater Store, and have been very pleased with them. Very helpful in the shopping process, and very good warranty service.

-Reid
Hammie's Avatar Hammie 11:41 AM 09-09-2009
I've enjoyed reading through the majority of this thread. Thought I would share my B&W setup.



I'm running a pair of 804s's and an HTM3s up front. I currently have Polk Audio FXi3's as my surrounds but will be upgrading them to B&W CWM DS8 in-wall bipole/dipoles before the end of the year (hopefully in October). Using a Denon 3808ci as a pre/pro and an Emotiva XPA-5 for amplification. an Oppo BDP83 rounds out my HD video setup. I use Apple TV and my ALAC collection for music, as well as the Oppo for my SACD collection.

Still have not decided on whether I want to upgrade to the D's before my one year trade-up program expires next June. I guess I'll wait and see if B&W decides to upgrade their 800 series speakers this year and see what kind of deals I can get.
stepmback's Avatar stepmback 11:52 AM 09-09-2009
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I've enjoyed reading through the majority of this thread. Thought I would share my B&W setup.



I'm running a pair of 804s's and an HTM3s up front. I currently have Polk Audio FXi3's as my surrounds but will be upgrading them to B&W CWM DS8 in-wall bipole/dipoles before the end of the year (hopefully in October). Using a Denon 3808ci as a pre/pro and an Emotiva XPA-5 for amplification. an Oppo BDP83 rounds out my HD video setup. I use Apple TV and my ALAC collection for music, as well as the Oppo for my SACD collection.

Still have not decided on whether I want to upgrade to the D's before my one year trade-up program expires next June. I guess I'll wait and see if B&W decides to upgrade their 800 series speakers this year and see what kind of deals I can get.

How do you like that center?
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