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post #10801 of 18914 Old 03-31-2012, 06:47 AM
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I gave in and ordered the calibrated CM-140. Hey,it wasn't the first time this week I spent more than I had to. (double grins-one for each sub)

Sweet! Let us know on the Rythmik forum how it goes. I'm particularly interested in what you discover by tweaking phase settings and how that changes interaction with your mains at the crossover. Especially compared to where your receiver set things.
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Sweet! Let us know on the Rythmik forum how it goes. I'm particularly interested in what you discover by tweaking phase settings and how that changes interaction with your mains at the crossover. Especially compared to where your receiver set things.

I know it's the wrong forum,but it might help folks here too. I actually set the phase by ear. I put on some music that had strong bass that I knew was in my xover freq(60hz) range. Then I set the distance on my pre/pro higher than I knew I would use. I closed my eyes and slowly decreased the distance until the bass was the strongest(loudest). The distance setting was the exact same as Brian's subtuner's result! Using the LFE input on the sub allows you to adjust the phase with the distance setting in the bass management,much more accurate than using the phase control on the sub(much easier too,no reaching behind the sub,just sit in your LP and use the remote!). For you folks on this thread,I'm using two Rythmik F15HP subs with my B&W(see,it is relevant) speakers and I can't recommend this combination enough, a perfect match!!
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I am very interested in purchasing the new B&W M1s and have a couple of questions before I buy. The PV1 D subwoofer is a little steep on the price but is it worth the extra money? Would the ASW 608 or 610 suffice for a 16'x16' family room? I don't really need a HT system to shake the walls. Any other subwoofers that would match the M1s? I heard these speakers with both the Yamaha Aventage and Pioneer Elite VSX 52. The Yamaha produced a more natural sound than the Pioneer(much too bright treble). The Pioneer sounds much better with floor standing speakers IMO. Any other recommendations for
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The PV1 D subwoofer is a little steep on the price but is it worth the extra money? Would the ASW 608 or 610 suffice for a 16'x16' family room?

Thanks!

Ask for options in the subwoofer forum. B&W makes decent subs but they cost too much for what you get. There is no need to match B&W speakers with B&W subs, I once swapped out a better sub for a B&W sub that was about the same price because I wanted all B&W in my system and it was the worst audio mistake I ever made. Again, my B&W sub is nice, but I regretted downgrading performance just to have the name match. Take a look at HSU, SVS, Rythmik, and Outlaw (an HSU designed sub) for a better value.
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added some panels from MYTHEATER..very cheap and work nice...really improves sound...very easy to install

only 124 for 4 at Sam's club..they are 199 for 4 at Audioadvisor.com.. they were delivered in 3 days from Sam's via Fed Ex..

I will adding the smaller 24x24's later on and will update
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Good advice-Thanks!
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Just picked up a pair of CM1s. Beautiful looking speakers. I'm hoping to get some advice on an amplifier to pair them with.

I have an old Carver PM-175 laying around I was thinking of using. However, I'm a bit concerned that it has too much power - 175 watts at 8 ohms. The CM1 has recommended power of 30-100 watts.

Can anyone give me their thoughts?
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Just picked up a pair of CM1s. Beautiful looking speakers. I'm hoping to get some advice on an amplifier to pair them with.

I have an old Carver PM-175 laying around I was thinking of using. However, I'm a bit concerned that it has too much power - 175 watts at 8 ohms. The CM1 has recommended power of 30-100 watts.

Can anyone give me their thoughts?

Actually, too little power is more dangerous as that is when clipping occurs. This will kill speakers. That amplifier should make them sing so no need to worry.

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your Carver is fine.........I agree too little power is not a good thing

when you hear them in stores they are usually working with an AV with lots of power
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I got some new Bowers & Wilkins M1 for cheap because they were my store's shelf display...wow. Can't believe how good these are. They were only on display for a few months.
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I got some new Bowers & Wilkins M1 for cheap because they were my store's shelf display...wow. Can't believe how good these are. They were only on display for a few months.

welcome to the club ....B&W's are the best at every level IMO
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I got some new Bowers & Wilkins M1 for cheap because they were my store's shelf display...wow. Can't believe how good these are. They were only on display for a few months.

They're probably the just discontinued old M-1. The new ones were announced in Feb.;http://blog.bowers-wilkins.com/speak...heatre-series/

Here's the new ones;http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eatre/M-1.html

There's usually a reason......but if the price was right,enjoy!
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I am very interested in purchasing the new B&W M1s and have a couple of questions before I buy. The PV1 D subwoofer is a little steep on the price but is it worth the extra money? Would the ASW 608 or 610 suffice for a 16'x16' family room? I don't really need a HT system to shake the walls. Any other subwoofers that would match the M1s? I heard these speakers with both the Yamaha Aventage and Pioneer Elite VSX 52. The Yamaha produced a more natural sound than the Pioneer(much too bright treble). The Pioneer sounds much better with floor standing speakers IMO. Any other recommendations for
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jackte50,

I bought 5 of the new M1s from BestBuy which are hooked up to an Onkyo 709 receiver. I bought a Definitive Technology SuperCube 2000 to fit behind our couch. We live in a relatively small Brooklyn apartment so at first I wasn't even going to get a sub. I'm very happy I did end up getting it and sounds awesome. The system is amazing - I'm very happy.

I purchased the KEF wireless system for the rears and the Audioengine W1 to make SC2000 wireless. The KEF wireless works flawlessly and sounds great. I'm having issues with the W1 adapter killing my wireless network when it is plugged in. My speeds goes from 35mb up/down to 1.2 up/down and making my Airplay unusable. I'm going to try a few things this evening their tech recommended otherwise return them and look for a different wireless option.

Right now, internet issue aside, the W1 works very well. I couldn't believe how good The Game of Throne's sounded last night. Even my wife who was extremely skeptical of the whole system loved it - she is having a bit of issue figuring out the receiver but she'll get it eventually, I hope.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Have the M1 on the stands .... Looks awesome !
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Have the M1 on the stands .... Looks awesome !

dadlersberg - can you post a pic? I'm trying to decide if I want stands or mount to the wall in the rear.

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A couple of things: I have heard both the Onkyo 709 and Yamaha Aventage 1010 and both sound good with the M1s. The yamaha is maybe a touch more musical. I am somewhat interested in wireless systems but am unsure of the quality. Is your KEF wireless the new 2.0 model? I am also going to need the
stands which are ver stylish but expensive. There is a good picture on the B&W website.
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dadlersberg - can you post a pic? I'm trying to decide if I want stands or mount to the wall in the rear.

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There is a good picture on the B&W website.

You could just click on the links in post#10813 above.
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sschwar2 and dadlersberg

A couple of things: I have heard both the Onkyo 709 and Yamaha Aventage 1010 and both sound good with the M1s. The yamaha is maybe a touch more musical. I am somewhat interested in wireless systems but am unsure of the quality. Is your KEF wireless the new 2.0 model? I am also going to need the
stands which are ver stylish but expensive. There is a good picture on the B&W website.

I bought this from Amazon: KEF UWIRELESS Wireless System
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added some panels from MYTHEATER..very cheap and work nice...really improves sound...very easy to install

only 124 for 4 at Sam's club..they are 199 for 4 at Audioadvisor.com.. they were delivered in 3 days from Sam's via Fed Ex..

I will adding the smaller 24x24's later on and will update

Did you think about placing panels behind speakers? I do not think that they will do much being behind TV.
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I followed the video instructions on audioadvisor.com...they show the set up with these panels not directly behind the speakers very much like my set up. I also used blu tac as they do to keep panels straight..just happen to still have some of that and it works great...smaller rear panels arriving tomorrow


I did move panels 8 inches apart now..can always move them back it is that easy..put up 4th panel on side wall and 24x24's being delivered today for back wall
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I know a lot of you have the higher end stuff, but I got my hands on a pair of 685's and I'm loving them.
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I'm new to this speaker brand I plan on buying the following system for my man-cave that I'm starting in June!
Center m1mw
Fronts b&w 685
Rears m1mw
Sub epik legend (1)
Receiver txnr 809

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Fronts RB 81 II BLK
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Rears RB 61 II CHERRY (going to be replaced with a black set)
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I know a lot of you have the higher end stuff, but I got my hands on a pair of 685's and I'm loving them.

Imo, compared to a lot of other big box brands, even the 600 series is high end.
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Imo, compared to a lot of other big box brands, even the 600 series is high end.

Yeah I think it is, I'm just mentioning that because everyone is talking about the CM series or better.

It's funny to spend 1200.00 on a setup and basically have people tell you you have a low end system. It's true no doubt but it also sounds nothing like any of the other stuff I've ever heard before.
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Yeah I think it is, I'm just mentioning that because everyone is talking about the CM series or better.

It's funny to spend 1200.00 on a setup and basically have people tell you you have a low end system. It's true no doubt but it also sounds nothing like any of the other stuff I've ever heard before.

Anyone who tells anyone they have a low end system is a jerk anyways.
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anyone who tells anyone they have a low end system is a jerk anyways.

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I'm new to this speaker brand I plan on buying the following system for my man-cave that I'm starting in June!
Center m1mw
Fronts b&w 685
Rears m1mw
Sub epik legend (1)
Receiver txnr 809

Big mis-match with your fronts and center. Use the HTM62 as the center. From the B&W website;

"The HTM62 is the smaller of the two centre speakers in the 600 Series, and is tailor-made to partner either the 684 floorstander or 685 standmount loudspeaker at the front of a home theatre system." I've used the HTM62 in a system with 683s,sounds great!

It'll sound much better than a M1!

P.S. Take a look at the Rythmik FV12 sub.
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I know a lot of you have the higher end stuff, but I got my hands on a pair of 685's and I'm loving them.

Add a good sub and you've got a first class system! The 600 series responds very well to electronics upgrades and they love high current. If you think they sound good with your AVR,add an external high current power amp,upgrade your sources and you'll be amazed! You can build a great affordable system around the 600 series.
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I'm new to this speaker brand I plan on buying the following system for my man-cave that I'm starting in June!
Center m1mw
Fronts b&w 685
Rears m1mw
Sub epik legend (1)
Receiver txnr 809

I suggest to use 685 all around. If you can't get 5 of them (they are usually sold in pairs), use 6th as back surround (for 6.1 setup).
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Big mis-match with your fronts and center. Use the HTM62 as the center. From the B&W website;

"The HTM62 is the smaller of the two centre speakers in the 600 Series, and is tailor-made to partner either the 684 floorstander or 685 standmount loudspeaker at the front of a home theatre system." I've used the HTM62 in a system with 683s,sounds great!

It'll sound much better than a M1!

P.S. Take a look at the Rythmik FV12 sub.

Thanks can I use the m1 for rears

Main System
Fronts RB 81 II BLK
Cener RC 52 II BLK
Rears RB 61 II CHERRY (going to be replaced with a black set)
Subwoofer SW112 BLK
SR 5006
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Bedroom RB 41 II BLK/ TXSR 607 / TCL32X1 / BDPS370 / Apple TV 2 wife ipad3 remote
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