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post #10861 of 19150 Old 04-06-2012, 06:32 PM
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Let me add, there is nothing wrong with Audyssey XT32. It set up all my speakers perfectly, including the front two LCR60s. I am otherwise very happy with how XT32 has set the distances and levels, the only issue I have is with how the LCR600 sounds. So as a test, I plugged it into another receiver and it stil sounds abnormal. It's either that the 600 is faulty or it is designed to sound that way.

Oh and I always chuckle about the "true" audiophiles around here. To them, someone is only a "true" audiophile if you set up your system their way and buy Tributaries speaker cables for $1000/inch.
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On Denon receivers, PURE or PURE DIRECT mode gives you double bass, as I have described. Other brands of equipment may do this as well, but I have no experience with them to know for sure.


This is incorrect. I own two Denon receivers and both cut off the subwoofer in pure/direct mode.
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This is incorrect. I own two Denon receivers and both cut off the subwoofer in pure/direct mode.

Which models? I have a 3805 and a 4310. In Pure/Direct you either get double bass or sub OFF.

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On Denon receivers, PURE or PURE DIRECT mode gives you double bass, as I have described. Other brands of equipment may do this as well, but I have no experience with them to know for sure.

it will redirect all of the bass to your 2 front speakers so it may sound that way....you should be able to feel the front of your sub and get no movement or air. I am using a Marantz pre amp, before that an Anthem AVM 30 and that is how they work . Check your owner's manual on the Denon to see what it does and do you have to make any changes in the setup menu to have it work in a bypass mode.
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Oh and I always chuckle about the "true" audiophiles around here. To them, someone is only a "true" audiophile if you set up your system their way and buy Tributaries speaker cables for $1000/inch.[/quote]

there are always the hardcore audiophiles out there, but you can be one too just by doing what you are doing,learning how to adjust sound and get the best out of your system without overspending.Experience, not money, makes a real audiophile.The fact that you hear a problem and you are working on correcting it is a big plus.So many just live with it but you know it doesn't sound right and are working the problem.Good job!
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On Denon receivers, PURE or PURE DIRECT mode gives you double bass, as I have described. Other brands of equipment may do this as well, but I have no experience with them to know for sure.

I just looked at the 4310 model's manual and it does say that the pre-configured speaker setup will include use of the subwoofer in the pure 2 channel set up..so you are correct that the sub is on. There is a custom set up to turn sub off in 2 channel stereo.This is just the opposite of how my equipment and previously owned pre amps worked.
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I just looked at the 4310 model's manual and it does say that the pre-configured speaker setup will include use of the subwoofer in the pure 2 channel set up..so you are correct that the sub is on. There is a custom set up to turn sub off in 2 channel stereo.This is just the opposite of how my equipment and previously owned pre amps worked.

With my Yamaha RX-A2000, Pure Direct turns the feed to the sub off and shows it disappear just as it turns off the front display for 2 channel stereo. With multi-channel signals all fed channels, including LFE will be in use. Just no further processing will be added.
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that would be the norm but apparently the Denon's work differently according to owner's manual
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Just came back from Magnolia/Worst Buy to audition the M-1 because I'm looking for back channel speakers than can be wall mounted. I'm gonna get flamed: they sounded AWFUL.

There was no bass (obviously), indistinct highs and mids, and questionable build quality (caveat being they were display models but still...). I made a bunch of adjustments to the Yamaha Aventage 1000 that were driving them to see if I could squeeze some better sound out to no avail.

Both the larger Mirage Nanosats and the larger Polk Blackstones sounded better. It took all of my self control not to laugh when the teenager in the blue shirt said they would knock $20 off if I bought a pair of M-1s for $500.

I've heard computer speakers with better sound than the M-1 for a lot cheaper than $250 per.
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All, I'm moving abroad and my B&W 801 Series 80s will not be coming with. I'd love to pass these on to someone that would truly appreciate their sound. Details and shipping info here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...do=ad&id=17279

I've been driving them with twin Parasound 2250s (2 ohm stable and deliver 700W into 4ohms). If you'd like those too, PM me.

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Just came back from Magnolia/Worst Buy to audition the M-1 because I'm looking for back channel speakers than can be wall mounted. I'm gonna get flamed: they sounded AWFUL.

There was no bass (obviously), indistinct highs and mids, and questionable build quality (caveat being they were display models but still...). I made a bunch of adjustments to the Yamaha Aventage 1000 that were driving them to see if I could squeeze some better sound out to no avail.

Both the larger Mirage Nanosats and the larger Polk Blackstones sounded better. It took all of my self control not to laugh when the teenager in the blue shirt said they would knock $20 off if I bought a pair of M-1s for $500.

I've heard computer speakers with better sound than the M-1 for a lot cheaper than $250 per.

Get 685 and attach them to the wall like I did using TV mounts.
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that would be the norm but apparently the Denon's work differently according to owner's manual

I have a Marantz, now obviously quite similar to Denon. From the factory Pure Direct disables the subwoofer. With LFE+MAIN set Pure Direct does not disable the subwoofer. With my speakers being set to "Full Range" and the subwoofer set at 80HZ, I assume this is what you guys call "double bass". Am I correct about double Bass?

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Did you listen to the new M1 or the old ones ? Just curious... Because I just got the new m1 for the rears and they sound really nice.

IMO. The new M1s sound better than the older. The M1s sound good on surround duty. The 685s or 686 kill either M1 in SQ. Paying MSRP (or even close) in my opinion is never a good option for M1s unless you are limited in space. The similarly priced 600 series bookshelves are the better value, and again this is all my opinion from what I've heard listening to them.

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Get 685 and attach them to the wall like I did using TV mounts.

Dude, how'd you make that work??

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Dude, how'd you make that work??

TV mount comes with VESA plate wich is supposed to be attached to TV. I had to cut it a little and drilled two new holes to match two threaded holes already available in the speaker cabinet. Use TV mount rated for twice the weight of speaker. I found it in Walmart store. It was not very cheap, but for me it was the only reliable solution for heavy speaker like 685.
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I once used a couple of small angle irons..about a buck each in Home depot..to put a pair of Polks in back corners of my old home.I place some gummy stickers on them to hold the speakers from moving.They weren't angled down, but they held up a pair of pretty heavy Polks perfectly.
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Did you listen to the new M1 or the old ones ? Just curious... Because I just got the new m1 for the rears and they sound really nice.

Don't know if they were the new M-1 or not (don't know how to tell the difference). I know that compromises are made when it comes to small satellite speakers but there was a Panama Canal gulf between the Nanosats and the M-1s that went like this:

Nanosat (excellent) ------ Blackstones (very good) ------ M-1s (terrible)

On a side note, they're $250/per so a pair goes for $500. Who in their right mind would get the a pair of M-1s (unless they have space issues or the WAF) when a pair of 686s retail for less and sound leagues better?
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Who in their right mind would get the a pair of M-1s (unless they have space issues or the WAF) when a pair of 686s retail for less and sound leagues better?

Those, who buys CM series instead of 68x for half of the price. These are "lifestyle" speakers, where look is a major selling point.
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All, I'm moving abroad and my B&W 801 Series 80s will not be coming with. I'd love to pass these on to someone that would truly appreciate their sound. Details and shipping info here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...do=ad&id=17279

I've been driving them with twin Parasound 2250s (2 ohm stable and deliver 700W into 4ohms). If you'd like those too, PM me.

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Hm some month ago I believe I read a WTB ad at Audio Circle forum, what I'm not too sure is if they wanted the MK2 or these. I would put them up there too, you never know.

Good luck

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Those, who buys CM series instead of 68x for half of the price. These are "lifestyle" speakers, where look is a major selling point.

Poor analogy. The CM have different characteristics than the 600 series speakers.
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Poor analogy. The CM have different characteristics than the 600 series speakers.

Can you really prove it? Didn't you ever think why dealers never have CM9 and 683 in the same showroom?
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Can you really prove it? Didn't you ever think why dealers never have CM9 and 683 in the same showroom?

I actually heard both in the same showroom powered by the same receiver (at Best Buy). Chose 683.
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I actually heard both in the same showroom powered by the same receiver (at Best Buy). Chose 683.

Interesting... I demo'd both the CM9s and 683s at Modia and thought the CM9s sounded better - to each their own!

Then again, I went with neither and grabbed 803 diamonds
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Can you really prove it? Didn't you ever think why dealers never have CM9 and 683 in the same showroom?

I noticed you are from NJ, not sure what area. Christiana, DE has only one studio room so the CM9 and the 683 are in one room.

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Interesting... I demo'd both the CM9s and 683s at Modia and thought the CM9s sounded better - to each their own!

Then again, I went with neither and grabbed 803 diamonds

They actually sounded very similar to me. I bet it would be hard to distinguish if you weren't A/Bing them. Also, take my opinion with a grain of salt as it was in a Best Buy with a home receiver and while I consider myself to be a picky listener/audiophile, I have not had the means to purchase much gear in my life so my experience is rather limited.

That being said, since they were so close to my ears, the price of the 600 series was the deciding factor.

That's one good thing about B&W is a great sounding speaker at any price range.
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I did A/B them, and I half agree that some of the CM are lifestyle choices. The exception is the CM5 , CM9 and CMC2. The others, with their smaller drive units, don't differentiate themselves from the 68x series enough. But that's just me and my ears
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For all you 685 owner and using them as front left and right what are you using as a receiver? I'm thinking onkyo 818 or pioneer elite

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Fronts RB 81 II BLK
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I'm using Denon 2112 because got a good deal on it, instead of waiting for the 2012 models to come out.

Haven't really pushed it though.
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Hey there -

I bought B&W 6" loud speakers after hearing them in the store and am feeling like such a dumb a$$ cause needless to say the speakers that sounded so AWESOME and bassy in the store were not in zone 2 (Anthem MRX 500) which means the salesman could in fact control the bass via the receiver they were hooked up to. In my setting there is NO way to control the bass/treble in zone 2. I just called Anthem to confirm.

What that might mean is that perhaps I should have gone with my original inclination which was to buy the 8" speakers which I read online had good bass built in compared to the 6" speakers.

Do you have any ideas about how I might add bass in some other way (something I could do inside the ceiling maybe)? It's too late to add other wiring from the receiver two rooms over to the kitchen - the wiring installation was pretty expensive. Lastly, I'm a little nervous to ask the store I bought the speakers from (local small business) but they do have a 30 day exchange policy and I'm wondering if I should bother asking to upgrade to 8" speakers. I hate to do that to them though... Do you think it's worth it (assuming they even say yes)? Do the 8" speakers sound noticeably different re. the bass?

Thanks (feeling super neurotic right now - sorry)!
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Hey there -

I bought B&W 6" loud speakers after hearing them in the store and am feeling like such a dumb a$$ cause needless to say the speakers that sounded so AWESOME and bassy in the store were not in zone 2 (Anthem MRX 500) which means the salesman could in fact control the bass via the receiver they were hooked up to. In my setting there is NO way to control the bass/treble in zone 2. I just called Anthem to confirm.

What that might mean is that perhaps I should have gone with my original inclination which was to buy the 8" speakers which I read online had good bass built in compared to the 6" speakers.

Do you have any ideas about how I might add bass in some other way (something I could do inside the ceiling maybe)? It's too late to add other wiring from the receiver two rooms over to the kitchen - the wiring installation was pretty expensive. Lastly, I'm a little nervous to ask the store I bought the speakers from (local small business) but they do have a 30 day exchange policy and I'm wondering if I should bother asking to upgrade to 8" speakers. I hate to do that to them though... Do you think it's worth it (assuming they even say yes)? Do the 8" speakers sound noticeably different re. the bass?

Thanks (feeling super neurotic right now - sorry)!

I wouldn't expect any real bass from ceiling speakers. They are either suitable for background music or have to be accompanied by subwoofer.
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Thanks. I just talked to the owner of the store and he said he thinks the 8" will give it a boost of bass but that it really depends on the listener whether it's enough to bother with the upgrade. He did say he'd be willing to take the 6" ones back if I wanted though, which was great of him. I may not, but will research further whether or not it may be worth it since I have absolutely no control of bass from the receiver (darn it)!

So that's really my next question in general (wish I could get a few responses here) - whether or not it'll make a notable difference.

Thanks again!
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