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post #1171 of 19233 Old 05-08-2007, 08:51 AM
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Thanks for the feedback. Do I have to worry about pushing 140 wpc into speakers rated for 100 wpc ?
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Thanks for the feedback. Do I have to worry about pushing 140 wpc into speakers rated for 100 wpc ?

Not if you are a "normal" person.

Most listening occurs with 10-40 Watts of power. Peaks can take 80-120watts, but they are very quick peaks.

As long as you are reasonable with the volume, you have nothing to worry about. If you have a very large room which requires a higher level of volume knob turning, then you might want to start thinking about getting better speakers that have better power handling. If you have a small room, you are fine as you most likely will not ever exeed the capability of your speakers.
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I think you're saying that I won't notice a difference changing my 601's for 602's, am I correct? I can get them for $600 CDN, retail is $900.

That's what I meant. I edited my post to make it clear.

When I auditioned them, the only difference I heard was in the bass and a bit of midrange.
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To all you 802D owners and former owners... I am hoping you can help me with a decision. I know these sound questions come down to my room and my ears, but I would still like your opinions.

I have the chance to trade in my 6 months old 803s (plus $5000) to 802D. Currently my speakers have very similar timber, but the 802Ds are terrific sounding speakers.

Will I mess up my 5.1 imaging by upgrading, or will upgrading be a noticible improvment? Below is additional info about my listening habits, rquipment, and room.

I split time pretty evenly between:
Cable TV (5.1)
SACD & DVD-A (mostly 5.1)
HD-DVD (5.1)
CD (2CH)

I currently have the following equipment:
Fronts: 803s (considering upgrade to 802D)
Center: HTMS3
Rears: 804s
Sub: SVS 20-39pci w/ SMS-1
Amps: Krell Kav250a/3 (3CH), and Kav-250a (2CH)
Prepro: Halcro SSP-100
Source: Denon 3930ci Universal Player
Source: Toshiba HD-DVD player
Souce: SA 8300HD Cable Box
GIK Bass Traps and 4" Acoustic Panels

Room Size: 15'w x 27'l x 8'h

Thanks
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The HTM3S may be a problem as it is a better match to the 803S/804S than to the 802D. As for the 804S as surrounds, I use them with my 3 802Ds and find them good for that application.

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Yes, it sounds like I will have to upgrade the Center to at least a HTM2D. I hope that suffices. I don't mind upgrading the HTM2D, but I really would hate to have to go up to the HTM1D. It is too darn big and expensive.

I am glad to hear the 804s work well in the back with the 802Ds. I had debated a lttle bit, weather I should keep the 803s or 804s for the rears.
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Just wondering for 703s and HTM7, how do people usually set up the receiver settings for speaker size and crossover. Should I keep everything at small or set the 703 fronts as large? What about the HTM-7 (I'm thinking it should be small). What shoould I have the crossover set to the sub?

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Phil,

Set both speakers to Small, and try setting the crossover to 80hz.

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Just wondering for 703s and HTM7, how do people usually set up the receiver settings for speaker size and crossover. Should I keep everything at small or set the 703 fronts as large? What about the HTM-7 (I'm thinking it should be small). What shoould I have the crossover set to the sub?

My Denon 4806 decided (using Audyssey) that my 703's and HTM7 were all large - ie, they can all do a reasonable job with frequencies below 80hz (I believe this is the THX definition of "large" vs "small".) I currently have them set up that way, and they sound great. The 703's have no problem at all with low frequencies (in my room, to my ears, anyway). I sometimes wonder whether the HTM7 might be better off configured as "small". Haven't gotten around to trying it though.

I'd say "try it different ways, and see what you like".

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Thanks Reid & Darrell. I was thinking the 703s handles bass very well when I play some SACDs. Check out "Superstar" on the Carpenters greatest hits. Given the lack of any dedicated bass driver on the htm7, I would think it should be a small given the similar 705s are said to be best with a sub. I have a Sony 5es receiver, will need to check how the crossover settings work. I assume it only affects the speakers set as small.

I will play around with it. I guess it also depends on the sub too. If it's not considered musical, I would expect the 703s would handle the lower frequencies better?

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Reid and Phil,

"Large" is a speaker that will go down to 20hz. This is pretty rare. While the 703s have nice bass, you should still set them to small if you have a decent sub. They don't go down to 20hz.

BTW, Audessey's Large/Small choice isn't very accurate.

But hey, it only takes a few reconfigure things and give it a listen. My dealer runs everything as Large, and I have to admit it sound nice when I go in there. Dealers tend to do run them as large simply because resetting the crossover for each speaker demo would get pretty time consuming.

My recommnedations are purely "conventional wisdom", which is a good starting point. Play around, and let your ears decide.

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Reid and Phil,

"Large" is a speaker that will go down to 20hz. This is pretty rare. While the 703s have nice bass, you should still set them to small if you have a decent sub. They don't go down to 20hz.

BTW, Audessey's Large/Small choice isn't very accurate.

But hey, it only takes a few reconfigure things and give it a listen. My dealer runs everything as Large, and I have to admit it sound nice when I go in there. Dealers tend to do run them as large simply because resetting the crossover for each speaker demo would get pretty time consuming.

My recommnedations are purely "conventional wisdom", which is a good starting point. Play around, and let your ears decide.

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Based on these measurements:
http://guidetohometheater.com/speake...bw/index4.html
I'd set the crossover to 70Hz or 80Hz and call it good.
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Cribbs,

If you are going to get technical , then you can't use those measurements. You should use room measurements with something like REW. The room will affect things much more than the response of the speaker itself. So will speaker placement within the room.

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Subs , generally, blend in better for music at lower crossover points if your speakers allow for it (and most floorstanders do), they don't then draw attention to themselves as much.

Seeking a speaker recomendation? Compare for yourself or be swayed by others who hear differantly, or by marketing, or just save time and get the cheapest , nicest looking, or smallest.
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Finally got my rears installed.. Here is some final pics and info.














A couple of those pics are just to show how the rears were installed. Equipment is as follows:

Cary Cinema 11 Surround Processor
Parasound Halo A52 Amp
Lumagen Vision HDP Video Processor/Scaler
PS3 for Blu Ray
Escient SE-D1 for DVD Management/Control
B&W 804s Front L/R
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B&W SCMs Surrounds
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fathom 113 is what I think I will be replacing it with... It may be a bit though, my wife just had surgery last week and the copay ate up my subwoofer money. lol
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is there any listing of all these B&W Speakers and a rating/price guide? I am so confused - between what is on the official web site and what's in the used market (no longer manufactured) i have NO idea of what is what anymore!!

Has anybody done a basic analysis of at least the hierarchy of all the B&W speakers out there and their prices???

thanks for listening.

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Finally got my rears installed.. Here is some final pics and info.

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fathom 113 is what I think I will be replacing it with... It may be a bit though, my wife just had surgery last week and the copay ate up my subwoofer money. lol

Thats a nice equipment rack, do you have a link for it? Who made it? Dimensions?

Thanks!

Nice setup btw!
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fathom 113 is what I think I will be replacing it with...

Excellent choice too, I just prefer the servo control, musicality, and greater adjustment flexability of the DD, BUT, the JL has more output and reach and I , too, would be hard pressed to choose between them depending on the circumstances. I have heard them side by side.

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Thats a nice equipment rack, do you have a link for it? Who made it? Dimensions?

Thanks!

Nice setup btw!

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Ebanks great setup!

How do you find the SCMS together with your front speakers? Is the soundstage seemless between the front and rear speakers? I'm contemplating on the same rears.

Lastly, when mounting the SCMS are they required to be mounted on wall studs or will mounting on just the drywall suffice?

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Ebanks great setup!

How do you find the SCMS together with your front speakers? Is the soundstage seemless between the front and rear speakers? I'm contemplating on the same rears.

Lastly, when mounting the SCMS are they required to be mounted on wall studs or will mounting on just the drywall suffice?

Thanks,
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They had to be mounted to studs. We tried mounting with drywall anchors just a few inches from the studs as that would have been the ideal location but they were slowly backing out of the wall because the weight of the speakers is 4-5" off the wall unlike a picture where it is pulling straight down.

The soundstage is fantastic. I hadn't had rear speakers in so long it took me a bit to get used to hearing sound from that direction again, but they blend in wonderfully.
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The soundstage is fantastic. I hadn't had rear speakers in so long it took me a bit to get used to hearing sound from that direction again, but they blend in wonderfully.

I'll second that! I added a pair of SCMS recently to my setup (805S and HTM4S in front), and the sound field is incredible. I replaced a pair of stand-mounted CDM 1NTs. The placement (i.e., height), as well as the perfect timber match for the front soundstage made a huge difference.

And again, stud-mounting is pretty much mandatory.

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My speakers are B&W 704. Just was order these ref Marantz series.
What speaker cables and IC would give me best results for rock, jazz..
My budget is around $800.

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They had to be mounted to studs. We tried mounting with drywall anchors just a few inches from the studs as that would have been the ideal location but they were slowly backing out of the wall because the weight of the speakers is 4-5" off the wall unlike a picture where it is pulling straight down.

The soundstage is fantastic. I hadn't had rear speakers in so long it took me a bit to get used to hearing sound from that direction again, but they blend in wonderfully.

Perfect, now i know which rears to go with!

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Hi there,

Can anyone suggest a b&w retailer in Vermont ?
The B&W website dealer locator only suggests CREATIVE SOUND. There must be more than 1 retailer in Vermont!

Thanks.
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My speakers are B&W 704. Just was order these ref Marantz series.
What speaker cables and IC would give me best results for rock, jazz..
My budget is around $800.

Thanks,

50' of 12-gauge copper wire at Home Depot, leaving ~$775 left in your pocket.
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50' of 12-gauge copper wire at Home Depot, leaving ~$775 left in your pocket.

Anyone who has a budget of $800 for speaker wire would never use plain Home Depot wire unless that was the budget for wiring the entire house.
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