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No doubt that you need a matching center channel. However, I would never recommend the HTM61 to anyone. The 685 is a superior speaker. If you can't buy a single 685 then a pair costs no more than the HTM61.

You may be totally impressed by the HTM61 since it is an improvement over your current one. If possible also try the 685 in the same set up then decide.
Sorry not sure I'm 100% understanding what you're saying. Are you saying I should use the 685 floor speaker as my center with the 2 684s as my fronts?
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Sorry not sure I'm 100% understanding what you're saying. Are you saying I should use the 685 floor speaker as my center with the 2 684s as my fronts?
The 685 is not a floor speaker. It is a book shelf speaker.
Do some research and you will not find a good review of the HTM61.
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The 685 is not a floor speaker. It is a book shelf speaker.
Do some research and you will not find a good review of the HTM61.
Ah ok - I thought the 683, 684, and 685 were all front floor speakers, didn't realize the 685 model is bookshelf. So I am correct in understanding you as saying that would make a better center in your opinion.

A quick search shows a 4.6 star rating from 26 reviews on Bestbuy.com

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Ah ok - I thought the 683, 684, and 685 were all front floor speakers, didn't realize the 685 model is bookshelf. So I am correct in understanding you as saying that would make a better center in your opinion.

A quick search shows a 4.6 star rating from 26 reviews on Bestbuy.com
Many are fascinated by a brand name and think that anything with the name on it is perfect. I will bet that most of the 26 reviewers have never listened to a good center channel.

You can read this link and see where the defenders own the HTM61 and are unwilling to accept the faults. Instead they criticize those who show the faults. You need to listen and take all recommendations (mine included) with a grain of salt.
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...view-indicates
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Many are fascinated by a brand name and think that anything with the name on it is perfect. I will bet that most of the 26 reviewers have never listened to a good center channel.

You can read this link and see where the defenders own the HTM61 and are unwilling to accept the faults. Instead they criticize those who show the faults. You need to listen and take all recommendations (mine included) with a grain of salt.
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...view-indicates
Yup not saying I agree or disagree with the reviewers, how could I since I never heard the speaker? Simply showing you can find a good review :-) - although im guessing you were looking for a more scientific one.
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Yup not saying I agree or disagree with the reviewers, how could I since I never heard the speaker? Simply showing you can find a good review :-) - although im guessing you were looking for a more scientific one.
Another read:
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-system-page-3

I was not looking for anything scientific. I just think it is best to research as opposed to buying on the advice of an owner. Sometimes pride of ownership overpowers common sense.
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Yup not saying I agree or disagree with the reviewers, how could I since I never heard the speaker? Simply showing you can find a good review :-) - although im guessing you were looking for a more scientific one.
The review is you go listen to HTM-61 yourself, I have one it sound good enough for me.
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Yup not saying I agree or disagree with the reviewers, how could I since I never heard the speaker? Simply showing you can find a good review :-) - although im guessing you were looking for a more scientific one.
You should be able to demo all these speakers pretty easily since they are all available at Best Buy so they are easy to find and listen to yourself.

I will add one thing though, the negative reviews I'm reading are going on 6 years old now. They are clearly not reviews of the current HTM61 S2 which are new, many of the negative things I've read about the HTM61 would also apply to almost every horizontal center channel (which is a compromise). I'd love to read a more detailed review of the HTM61 S2.

I do agree 685s are outstanding speakers, and one would make a great center channel (I hadn't thought of that option as they are sold in pairs) if your situation allows for the use of a vertically oriented bookshelf speaker. I listened to the 683, 684, 685, and HTM62, HTM61 for quite a while. I didn't have any complaints about any of the line, but I was left really impressed with the 683s and 685s.

The HTM61 did sound better than the HTM62 to my ears. I wasn't really focused on selecting a center channel when listening though because I'm planning on using an in-wall CWM 7.3 for a center.
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To be fair, there was only one bad review of the HTM61. For some reason, Thomas Norton decided to harp on the issue, it became overblown, and the rest of the internet jumped on the bandwagon. In reality, the HTM61 was a rather clever solution by B&W to the problem of the typical MTM arrangement. Rather than having listening positions both left and right of center compromised, with the HTM61, only listening positions left of center had reduced sound quality. My own auditions of the speaker (not an owner) found the off-axis performance to not be anywhere near as bad as the internet would have you believe. It really didn't deserve the reputation it got from one review.
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To be fair, there was only one bad review of the HTM61. For some reason, Thomas Norton decided to harp on the issue, it became overblown, and the rest of the internet jumped on the bandwagon. In reality, the HTM61 was a rather clever solution by B&W to the problem of the typical MTM arrangement. Rather than having listening positions both left and right of center compromised, with the HTM61, only listening positions left of center had reduced sound quality. My own auditions of the speaker (not an owner) found the off-axis performance to not be anywhere near as bad as the internet would have you believe. It really didn't deserve the reputation it got from one review.
My auditions found it to sound muddy regardless of seating position. Really doesn't matter as log as the owners are satisfied.
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Pretty sure that all center channels which are horizontal are sub-optimal. It's just physics. And geometry. Vertically aligned speakers are best, and having all front 3 speakers being identical is better still. But the usual way to get that is with an acoustically transparent screen, and for B&W, you basically have to buy three floorstanders which are sold one by one (at least at BestBuy), like the 683s2.

The driver alignment issue I wanted to get 685s all around for my new setup. But it's really annoying that you can't buy them separately. It's not like B&W doesn't realize that people are using their speakers in home theaters, I just think it's kind of a cash grab but of course they are entitled to sell their product however they want.

I'm hoping with Dolby Atmos receivers I can do a 4.1 (LCR + rear, all 685s) then get two more for a 6.1 and have a decent setup. I love symmetry and really like the idea of three front channels and three rears, all with the exact same drivers and pumping out fully 3D spatially located soundtracks for Atmos movies.
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To be fair, there was only one bad review of the HTM61. For some reason, Thomas Norton decided to harp on the issue, it became overblown, and the rest of the internet jumped on the bandwagon. In reality, the HTM61 was a rather clever solution by B&W to the problem of the typical MTM arrangement. Rather than having listening positions both left and right of center compromised, with the HTM61, only listening positions left of center had reduced sound quality. My own auditions of the speaker (not an owner) found the off-axis performance to not be anywhere near as bad as the internet would have you believe. It really didn't deserve the reputation it got from one review.
When I first read his review I guess five years ago I paid it no mine.
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Pretty sure that all center channels which are horizontal are sub-optimal. It's just physics. And geometry. Vertically aligned speakers are best, and having all front 3 speakers being identical is better still. But the usual way to get that is with an acoustically transparent screen, and for B&W, you basically have to buy three floorstanders which are sold one by one (at least at BestBuy), like the 683s2.

The driver alignment issue I wanted to get 685s all around for my new setup. But it's really annoying that you can't buy them separately. It's not like B&W doesn't realize that people are using their speakers in home theaters, I just think it's kind of a cash grab but of course they are entitled to sell their product however they want.

I'm hoping with Dolby Atmos receivers I can do a 4.1 (LCR + rear, all 685s) then get two more for a 6.1 and have a decent setup. I love symmetry and really like the idea of three front channels and three rears, all with the exact same drivers and pumping out fully 3D spatially located soundtracks for Atmos movies.
Im thinking of buying a third 684 down the line to use as my center.
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Im thinking of buying a third 684 down the line to use as my center.
Very good if your room can accommodate 684 x 5 or x 3 up front.

Hypothesis aside, if a speaker sounds great to you, then it is great regardless of whether it is a vertical or horizontal center.
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Hey guys.... looking for some feedback/help. I currently have the following set-up:

F: B&W XT8
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SR: B&W DM601 S3
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all driven by Marantz SR8002. I'm looking to replace my SR and R speakers. My SR speakers are against the wall, so I would desire something that's front ported.

I've never heard the SCM1's or the N805's, but would the SCM1's be a better match for my system/needs over the newer CM1's? I know I'm comparing old vs, new; nautilus vs non-, etc.... But which would you prefer.... SCM1 or CM1?

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Hey guys.... looking for some feedback/help. I currently have the following set-up:

F: B&W XT8
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SR: B&W DM601 S3
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Sub: SVS SB12-NSD

all driven by Marantz SR8002. I'm looking to replace my SR and R speakers. My SR speakers are against the wall, so I would desire something that's front ported.

I've never heard the SCM1's or the N805's, but would the SCM1's be a better match for my system/needs over the newer CM1's? I know I'm comparing old vs, new; nautilus vs non-, etc.... But which would you prefer.... SCM1 or CM1?

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Go to BestBuy and listen to the new ones then make decision.
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Go to BestBuy and listen to the new ones then make decision.

I've listen to the CM1's at Best Buy/Magnolia and liked them away from the wall. Once they were pushed up against the wall, they weren't as great. But never heard the SCM1's or the N805's (been discontinued for a while now).
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I've listen to the CM1's at Best Buy/Magnolia and liked them away from the wall. Once they were pushed up against the wall, they weren't as great. But never heard the SCM1's or the N805's (been discontinued for a while now).
Unless you're listening to multi-channel music you could probably make due with the 685 S2 or 686 S2 both of which are front ported.

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Unless you're listening to multi-channel music you could probably make due with the 685 S2 or 686 S2 both of which are front ported.
Wife doesn't like the look of the new 600 series speakers. Also want something a but better in the mids/ highs to match the XT8's.
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Hey Bill Thanks for the info. Here are my thoughts on your points based on my experimenting so far.

1. Center channel is the most important of the home theater... buy the best one you can that will match your left and right. Best yet buy the same as your left and right. ( one of the largest improvements)
So my next priority will be to buy the B&W 684 center. Unfortunately it (HTM62) is about $450 - will work on this for my next HT purchase.
citsur86 -

Having played with the HTM62 paired with a pair of 685's, I'd recommend stepping up to the HTM61. The output of the HTM62 was low, IMO and I had difficulty balancing it with the 685's. I would expect that the 684's would overpower the HTM62 even more. If you can make it fit your budget, the HTM61 is worth it!

My two cents,

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citsur86 -

Having played with the HTM62 paired with a pair of 685's, I'd recommend stepping up to the HTM61. The output of the HTM62 was low, IMO and I had difficulty balancing it with the 685's. I would expect that the 684's would overpower the HTM62 even more. If you can make it fit your budget, the HTM61 is worth it!

My two cents,

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I recently added the HTM61S2 to my system. I was concerned that it wouldn't hold it's own between a pair of diamonds. I have been impressed with it so far. Dialogue is clear. Panning is blended. It hasn't run out of gas during loud passages. I am quite pleased, especially for the price.
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I recently added the HTM61S2 to my system. I was concerned that it wouldn't hold it's own between a pair of diamonds. I have been impressed with it so far. Dialogue is clear. Panning is blended. It hasn't run out of gas during loud passages. I am quite pleased, especially for the price.
What that's something I never tried I will do that today.
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A question for Patrick, are there any wall or ceiling mounts recommended by B&W for the 805 Diamonds?

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Wife doesn't like the look of the new 600 series speakers. Also want something a but better in the mids/ highs to match the XT8's.
Fair enough. Did you try installing the port plugs for the CM1s before placing them against the wall?

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Wife doesn't like the look of the new 600 series speakers. Also want something a but better in the mids/ highs to match the XT8's.
I have 685S2 with CMC center, as for 685 i dont like the cover on them so i took them off, the 685S2 sound really good even for music.
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I have 685S2 with CMC center, as for 685 i dont like the cover on them so i took them off, the 685S2 sound really good even for music.
Agreed. The new 600 series are much improved. Apparently the black ash finish doesn't meet WAF.

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Agreed. The new 600 series are much improved. Apparently the black ash finish doesn't meet WAF.
Get the white 685 S2. They look real nice.
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Agreed. The new 600 series are much improved. Apparently the black ash finish doesn't meet WAF.
I don't have a problem with the black ash just the cover plus I don't have any little kids in my home.
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I don't have a problem with the black ash just the cover plus I don't have any little kids in my home.
I don't mind the black ash either. The WAF comment was directed at ZachF88.

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Recommend me an AV-Reciver.

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I'm in need of an AV receiver to replace my SR4200 that are powering CMC2 and CM9s.
What would you guys recommend?
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