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Yeah keep an eye on Audiogon. I see them pop up from time to time in the different finishes. Going to cost a lot of have something that big and heavy shipped though.

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Looking for an old htm1d. Any one have a lead on one?

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I'm not sure if the picture I see in your avatar is your HT room or not but if it is and your screen in not wall mounted and comes down from the ceiling with some space behind it you would be better off acoustically getting a center to match your mains than a HTM1D. I suppose that would also mean you need an acoustically transparent screen.

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I'm not sure if the picture I see in your avatar is your HT room or not but if it is and your screen in not wall mounted and comes down from the ceiling with some space behind it you would be better off acoustically getting a center to match your mains than a HTM1D. I suppose that would also mean you need an acoustically transparent screen.
I have not updated my pictures for my system. I currently have 802d up front, and the 802n have been moved for surround duties. The htm1d would match. I have thought of all different ways to get the screen up high enough to allow for another 802d as a center. It is just too much of a compromise with the viewing angle being so high. I also do not want to go to a perforated screen as I want the clearest picture I can get. Again, I do not want to compromise any more there. So I am back to getting an htm1d.

I have audiogon on my favorites page... I was looking for other avenues. .. maybe someone close and I could do some trading for my 802n with the matching center for the one htm1d.

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Hey guys,

I purchased a pair of 683s last year and of course as luck would have it they redesigned them. I was unable to find a matching center so i bought htm61 S2. I did notice that although the overall design didn't change much the crossover frequencies are different. Is this a problem?

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I have not updated my pictures for my system. I currently have 802d up front, and the 802n have been moved for surround duties. The htm1d would match. I have thought of all different ways to get the screen up high enough to allow for another 802d as a center. It is just too much of a compromise with the viewing angle being so high. I also do not want to go to a perforated screen as I want the clearest picture I can get. Again, I do not want to compromise any more there. So I am back to getting an htm1d.

I have audiogon on my favorites page... I was looking for other avenues. .. maybe someone close and I could do some trading for my 802n with the matching center for the one htm1d.

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Gotcha, then yeah the HTM1D is the closet match you could get. Are your 802d's current gen or last gen? If current gen then I suspect there might be some slight timbre mismatching to the HTM1D but it may not be noticeable. Obviously cosmetically they aren't going to perfectly match.

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First generation diamond.

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Hey guys,

I purchased a pair of 683s last year and of course as luck would have it they redesigned them. I was unable to find a matching center so i bought htm61 S2. I did notice that although the overall design didn't change much the crossover frequencies are different. Is this a problem?

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Nope S2 is better.
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First generation diamond.
Perfect then, I hope you are able to find the speaker and it would be even better if it matches the color of your 802's.

Or B&W could start making them again..cough... Patrick..cough...
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Quick question...Just moved and will be putting the HT system in the basement. I have room for a 55-70" TV above fireplace in family room where previous owners mounted 7 Definitive small speakers on the wall (LCR and 2 rears in addition to 2 others in an adjacent room. Looks pretty bad and I have no intention of going 5.1 in the family room. So, in an effort to compromise with the wife I'm "offering" to remove the 7 small speakers, mount the TV and just use the sound from the TV and get 2 reasonably priced speakers for 2 channel listening and also to fill the first floor with sound. I'm very partial to B&W as I love the silky smooth highs and the vocals on this brand.

My question is, if I look around and spend maybe $2,000 on speakers, can they be driven with just a regular high end receiver or am I definitely looking at adding an amp? Been a while since I've looked on Audiogon to see what is out there but if I can get the OK for the 2 speakers something tells me I'll need an amp to drive them properly.

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Quick question...Just moved and will be putting the HT system in the basement. I have room for a 55-70" TV above fireplace in family room where previous owners mounted 7 Definitive small speakers on the wall (LCR and 2 rears in addition to 2 others in an adjacent room. Looks pretty bad and I have no intention of going 5.1 in the family room. So, in an effort to compromise with the wife I'm "offering" to remove the 7 small speakers, mount the TV and just use the sound from the TV and get 2 reasonably priced speakers for 2 channel listening and also to fill the first floor with sound. I'm very partial to B&W as I love the silky smooth highs and the vocals on this brand.

My question is, if I look around and spend maybe $2,000 on speakers, can they be driven with just a regular high end receiver or am I definitely looking at adding an amp? Been a while since I've looked on Audiogon to see what is out there but if I can get the OK for the 2 speakers something tells me I'll need an amp to drive them properly.

Thanks for the help and suggestions.
In most cases you should be fine. Fortunately, the vast majority of B&W speakers are relatively efficient, with sensitivities in the 88 to 90 dB range. And this holds true pretty much across all popular series, including the 800, CM and 600 lines. Of course you also need to consider other factors such as room size, etc. as well.

The main concern is that you don't want to drive the receiver into clipping, which can generate strong harmonics which can cause tweeter damage. But if the speakers are relatively efficient, you shouldn't need to drive the receiver into clipping, even on the loudest passages.
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Hi all. Newbie here. Just wanted to ask if anyone upgraded from last generation's 685 to the s2s, or if it is worth upgrading to the current version. I'm trying to decide if i should replace mine, or upgrade my receiver first, thanks.
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Hi all. Newbie here. Just wanted to ask if anyone upgraded from last generation's 685 to the s2s, or if it is worth upgrading to the current version. I'm trying to decide if i should replace mine, or upgrade my receiver first, thanks.
If you have an opportunity you should audition the S2s. IMHO, the S2 is much improved over the S1.

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anyone do any comparing to the Bryston speakers?
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Hi all. Newbie here. Just wanted to ask if anyone upgraded from last generation's 685 to the s2s, or if it is worth upgrading to the current version. I'm trying to decide if i should replace mine, or upgrade my receiver first, thanks.
I have both and both sound good to me.
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Two questions that I'm hoping to get some help on please:

1) I just bought a pair of CCM 636 speakers for about $350 (used of course). According to the seller they're worth $1200, but B&W said they were last selling, new, for about $150 each. That was in 2010 when they were discontinued. So did I get ripped off, or are they actually worth $1200 now...or even the $350 that I paid for the pair?

2) Also, in regards to in-ceiling speakers - does anyone own the Rock Solid speaker line and also own in-ceiling speakers? I'd like to know how the two compare, sound quality wise.


Thanks in advance!
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Two questions that I'm hoping to get some help on please:

1) I just bought a pair of CCM 636 speakers for about $350 (used of course). According to the seller they're worth $1200, but B&W said they were last selling, new, for about $150 each. That was in 2010 when they were discontinued. So did I get ripped off, or are they actually worth $1200 now...or even the $350 that I paid for the pair?

2) Also, in regards to in-ceiling speakers - does anyone own the Rock Solid speaker line and also own in-ceiling speakers? I'd like to know how the two compare, sound quality wise.


Thanks in advance!
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Two questions that I'm hoping to get some help on please:

1) I just bought a pair of CCM 636 speakers for about $350 (used of course). According to the seller they're worth $1200, but B&W said they were last selling, new, for about $150 each. That was in 2010 when they were discontinued. So did I get ripped off, or are they actually worth $1200 now...or even the $350 that I paid for the pair?

2) Also, in regards to in-ceiling speakers - does anyone own the Rock Solid speaker line and also own in-ceiling speakers? I'd like to know how the two compare, sound quality wise.


Thanks in advance!
Best thing I can tell you go on BW's archives, since I been on this site most guys don't talk about BW's in ceiling speakers that much especially the old ones.
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Best thing I can tell you go on BW's archives, since I been on this site most guys don't talk about BW's in ceiling speakers that much especially the old ones.
Hi, yeah, I got a price listing from B&W (in their archives), which has the speakers listed for $150, I believe. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some "black market" value of these that were close to what I paid, or if in fact these speakers were actually good enough to hold such a value. I don't mind paying what I did, but only if they're worth it.

Good to know about nobody really commenting on B&W in-ceilings - the ones that I did actually hear at best buy didn't impress me greatly either. I'm leaning towards just returning the ones I bought, unless someone can convince me otherwise. ANyway, thanks for your help!
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Hi, yeah, I got a price listing from B&W (in their archives), which has the speakers listed for $150, I believe. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some "black market" value of these that were close to what I paid, or if in fact these speakers were actually good enough to hold such a value. I don't mind paying what I did, but only if they're worth it.

Good to know about nobody really commenting on B&W in-ceilings - the ones that I did actually hear at best buy didn't impress me greatly either. I'm leaning towards just returning the ones I bought, unless someone can convince me otherwise. ANyway, thanks for your help!
Hold up my friend I did not say they where bad it depends which one you try and tell me what are you using them for example like surrounds or fronts and center.
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Hold up my friend I did not say they where bad it depends which one you try and tell me what are you using them for example like surrounds or fronts and center.
The plan was to use them in a few different rooms for music - living room, dining room, kitchen, etc. - this pair, for example, would go into the living room. Mostly for music listening purposes.
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I think the B&W ceiling speakers are quite good for ceiling speakers.
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I think the B&W ceiling speakers are quite good for ceiling speakers.
Which model do you have, if I may ask?
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CCM618 as surrounds in one system and CCM616 not being used in the other.
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Two questions that I'm hoping to get some help on please:

1) I just bought a pair of CCM 636 speakers for about $350 (used of course). According to the seller they're worth $1200, but B&W said they were last selling, new, for about $150 each. That was in 2010 when they were discontinued. So did I get ripped off, or are they actually worth $1200 now...or even the $350 that I paid for the pair?

2) Also, in regards to in-ceiling speakers - does anyone own the Rock Solid speaker line and also own in-ceiling speakers? I'd like to know how the two compare, sound quality wise.


Thanks in advance!
yes I am using rock solid for ceiling as atmos. It came in handy and was tucked away in store room. I think it makes excellent ceiling speaker and has swivel mount. Never thought one day I would redeploy it as atmos ceiling speaker. Bought extra 2 more from a used hifi shop for $15 dollars!!!!
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yes I am using rock solid for ceiling as atmos. It came in handy and was tucked away in store room. I think it makes excellent ceiling speaker and has swivel mount. Never thought one day I would redeploy it as atmos ceiling speaker. Bought extra 2 more from a used hifi shop for $15 dollars!!!!
Lucky you! I'm trying to convince one person to sell me his HCM's for $150, and no dice.

That said, if anyone on here has a set of white HCM1's in great condition, and they want to part with them, I'd love to negotiate a deal.

Tanwn1 - are you also using any ceiling speakers? Are you able to compare the two, meaning Solid Monitors vs ceiling speakers?
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Lucky you! I'm trying to convince one person to sell me his HCM's for $150, and no dice.

That said, if anyone on here has a set of white HCM1's in great condition, and they want to part with them, I'd love to negotiate a deal.

Tanwn1 - are you also using any ceiling speakers? Are you able to compare the two, meaning Solid Monitors vs ceiling speakers?
For some strange reason, I see a revitalization of the architectural speaker market.
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Lucky you! I'm trying to convince one person to sell me his HCM's for $150, and no dice.

That said, if anyone on here has a set of white HCM1's in great condition, and they want to part with them, I'd love to negotiate a deal.

Tanwn1 - are you also using any ceiling speakers? Are you able to compare the two, meaning Solid Monitors vs ceiling speakers?
I have not compared, but I am sure the rock solid will and should definitely sound better. Reason, rock solid is not mounted flat in ceiling therefore there is no compromise in the openness of the sound and the bass though limited should sound more accurate. A proper speaker should always sound better than a flat ceiling mounted speaker assuming tweeter and woofer are comparable in quality. Imagine, put a bookshelf speaker on proper stand and put it flat in the wall, which should sound better? With regards to atmos speaker firing towards ceiling is also a compromise which can sound acceptable. But if you have rain sound sound coming down from the top, wouldn't you rather have the speaker attached to the ceiling?
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I think the B&W ceiling speakers are quite good for ceiling speakers.
I agree! In fact I think the B&W ceiling/wall speaker product line is as vast as their other speaker lines. There's pretty much something for everybody in the ceiling/wall speaker products. That's not saying everybody is willing to pay the price, but I like them a lot. In particular the back box options allows you to get close to free standing speaker SQ with less space needed. For example I have 800D2 for mains, paired with Sig8NT for rear surrounds. It was the only way i could get full use of my room and get the best SQ too. If I had the space I would have paired 802D2 for rear surround.

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Out of curiosity I auditioned some 802D2s driven by all Mcintosh gear, from top to bottom. The sound seemed a bit warm. Would you guys attribute this more to the Mc gear or the 802s? It almost seemed like it dampened the sparkle that I experienced from the 805d on a different setup in a different store. I don't have much experience with Mc gear but I have heard attributes like this in the past.

I might try and audition the 802s at a different store running other equipment.
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I suppose it's possible but it's more likely to have been the room. It's also possible that you may always hear the 802's as warm.

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