Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy
First, congrats on your new toy.
Regarding that statement, I think you duly expressed a little bit too much zealous there.
I'm glad you love the 800D2. But diminishing returns apply here like everywhere.
Regarding measurements, the 802D actually measures better than the 800D with frequency response. So technically, the 802D is probably a little bit more "accurate". Probably insignificant difference.
It is completely understandable to see how a $25K speaker would subjectively sound "better" than a $15K speaker. It is in another league - the league that costs $10K more. There are other leagues of speakers that cost $20K, $40K, $80K, $160K more too.
But I have compared the 802D vs 800D several times in dealer rooms and they are not in another league in terms of sound quality.
Too much zealous, perhaps but you continue to point out how the 800 compared to the 802 and their similarities but that Stereophile comparison was the 800 Diamond to the 802D and not the 802 Diamond so making the assumption that the same is true between the 802 Diamond and 800 Diamond is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, just saying, not looking to have an argument
I just wanted to point that out so everyone knows. Sound and Vision did a review by Thomas Norton of the 802 Diamonds as part of a complete Diamond series 5.1 setup but there was no mention on performance between it and the 800 Diamond that Kal did for Stereophile. Can't argue if B&W may have fine tuned performance by ear on the new series, or even the old as a means to explain the performance characteristics observed in the measurements, no one has anyway of proving that one way or the other.
There is certainly going to be diminishing returns, part of me wants to say beyond $10-$15k but in reality it probably starts less than that especially when a lot of the components in the speakers are the same such the B&W Diamond series but that's also true of say going from a Revel Studio 2 to an Ultima 2, or now a Wilson Sasha Series 2 to the Alexia to the Alexandria XLF or a Focal Scala to Maestro to Stella to Grande Utopia and on and on with the last two manufacturers seeing astronomical price differences between the 1st speaker I mention and last in the series.
Due to the similarities between the 2 in all honesty I personally think you do the speaker a major disservice by comparing the two in store, sure it's better than nothing I suppose but is no substitute for having the speaker in home setup in the same spot as the 802. Hopefully each store audition was at least performed by swapping between them then and there and ideally repositioning the speakers each time so they are always in the same position. Even if the home room is horrible at least it's going to be horrible for both speakers
so a proper comparison can be done in an environment and with equipment you are familiar with. So in that case, without using a sub and the right source material, in my experience in a blind test with a lot of low bass material and low midrange material that falls into the bass drivers not the midrange speaker itself I think most should be able to pickup on the differences and quite easily at that. I find it is that noticeable. Moving up to the upper mid range and then into the high frequencies then forget about it
Again my opinion
But whether it's a better sound is subjective to the individual and if viewed as better is it a whopping $10k better. Getting to the another league question, again very subjective to the individual. However because of the similarities to the 802's, definitely more than differences when looking at the components it's good to question, what am I really paying for.
I ask that of Transparent cables all the time, especially that Opus stuff. What the hell is inside those "network boxes" and what the hell are the cables actually made of
Yet nobody knows