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post #19141 of 19925 Old 08-21-2014, 05:32 AM
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How about using 805D2 for Atmos!
Do you mean for the heights? If so from what I gather keeping an eye on the Atmos threads around here I get the impression no because I just don't see how you could mount them to the ceiling. You could build a custom wall mount like thrang had and mount them really high up on the walls but I'm not sure if doing that would even allow you to get the appropriate angles necessary to give the impression the sound was coming from over head in a x.1.2 setup. In a x.1.4 setup with say 2 mounted forward of the MLP and 2 mounted behind the MLP then perhaps but they may just be to easy to localize. I think the best way to go would be to add 2, 4, etc. CI800 series speakers. Only the CCM8.5 is designated as an in ceiling speaker but I suppose you could also use either of the in wall models, the CWM8.5 and CWM8.3.

Your current in ceiling setup, is that a single speaker or a pair and is it directly over the MLP? If it's a pair and it's over the MLP it looks like you are already set for the x.1.2 setup.

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The problem with incorporating Atmos and Auro 3D into the same processor is that they use speaker setups that are unique to, and not compatible with the other format.

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Maybe, please let us know if you go to CEDIA
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Yes, have two in ceiling speakers from B&W http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downlo...info_sheet.pdf

Fairly older speakers but still sound great
I am debating on selling off the 802 diamonds and the HTM2 Diamond in favor of some cheaper smaller in/on walls.... I know they won't be the same but given my current situation that may be a more practical fit. Any opinions?

P.S. I would keep the F212... maybe add another LOL....


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I am debating on selling off the 802 diamonds and the HTM2 Diamond in favor of some cheaper smaller in/on walls.... I know they won't be the same but given my current situation that may be a more practical fit. Any opinions?

P.S. I would keep the F212... maybe add another LOL....
If getting rid of the big speakers in favor of in walls you'll need to keep the F212 for sure, adding another is a must in my opinion and you may want to add 2 or 3 more

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Patrick do you have any good real world photos of the CI800 series speakers you could post or link to? I'm trying to get a sense of the size of the units with and without the box enclosures to get a sense of how much is behind the speakers. All of the good photos I have come across are just of the speakers face on thus nothing of the back.

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thrang, you are going to have to update the pictures in your system configuration thread

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The problem with incorporating Atmos and Auro 3D into the same processor is that they use speaker setups that are unique to, and not compatible with the other format.

Patrick
Yeah good point and that bugs me to no end. It was bad enough that DSX and Neo:X didn't line up now we have two new formats that don't either. Surely the dts take will conform to one or the other leaving someone the odd man out thus not worth the effort in trying to configure a room for that format and let it become yet anther failed attempt.

What these companies seem to fail to realize is that if they want this sort of tech to catch on there has to be consistency in order to get consumers to buy in. It's already a niche market to begin with, segmenting it even more only hurts the manufacturers trying to bring it to us.

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The only photos of CI800 that put's things in context would be the following. The CWM8.5 and CCM8.5: The back boxes are very substantial and critical to the speakers performance. The CWM8.3 back box is very large.

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Dolby's system makes sense. It takes an existing 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 system and adds ceiling speakers. This system is still compatible with DTS. Additionally, Atmos can readily be adapted to Blu-ray without buying a new player.

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The only photos of CI800 that put's things in context would be the following. The CWM8.5 and CCM8.5: The back boxes are very substantial and critical to the speakers performance. The CWM8.3 back box is very large.

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Thanks Patrick, this is exactly what I was looking for.


So throwing something really wacky out there, if one was so inclined could the boxes be mounted with some type of adhesion rather than what I'm assuming is either screws or nails? What if they are mounted, boxes and all directly to a finished wall or ceiling without inserting them into a cavity in the wall or hole in the ceiling which would other wise make the speaker flush with the wall or ceiling. So they would protrude form the wall or ceiling by the depth of the box + speaker? What would the sonic compromises be to an installation like that?

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Hi...i posted in another thread but does anyone know if DM603 S3 Tweeters will fit(same twist mount) in DM603 S2 speakers.
I've been told owners have fitted extended range Tweeters to the S2 but can't find any details. Big TIA.
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Hi Rod,

The number one resin why I'd mount a CI800 series product to the ceiling joists with proper fasteners is to potentially avoid a skull crushing object from falling off the ceiling. Other than the speaker no longer being part of an infinite baffle (which changes it's response) I can think of no other reason not to do this.

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Thanks Patrick, this is exactly what I was looking for.


So throwing something really wacky out there, if one was so inclined could the boxes be mounted with some type of adhesion rather than what I'm assuming is either screws or nails? What if they are mounted, boxes and all directly to a finished wall or ceiling without inserting them into a cavity in the wall or hole in the ceiling which would other wise make the speaker flush with the wall or ceiling. So they would protrude form the wall or ceiling by the depth of the box + speaker? What would the sonic compromises be to an installation like that?
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What the heck is up with the new way to view this site?
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That "enhanced view" is awful
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Does anyone have any experience with inwalls or onwalls? Either B&W or any other brand (e.g. Focal).

Thanks.
Wait, so why are you thinking of selling your 802D2 to get in-walls?

A friend of mine is a dealer/ custom installer. He has heard speakers from most manufacturers including 800D2, Salon2, KEF Blades, and systems costing $100K+.

And he still thinks the BG Radia in-walls are one of the best sounding speakers he has ever heard regardless of price or type (in-wall, on-wall, towers, bookshelf, etc.).

Personally I have a difficult time accepting that any in-walls can be better than towers like Salon2 and KEF Blades. But he unequivocally thinks the BG Radia sounds even better. He has heard a lot more speakers than I have though.

Others to consider include RBH, Phase Technology, and Atlantic Technology.

If you need more room, high quality in-wall subs can also sound absolutely fantastic. JL Audio subs are popular, but they are not the absolute best or anything.

Send me a PM if you want some info.

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That "enhanced view" is awful
It's unusable on mobile. No "threads I've posted in". Luckily there's a link to switch back to the old mode that actually works.

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No "threads I've posted in".
It is under "TOOLS."

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It is under "TOOLS."
Huh. For some reason I didn't see it when it first switched to the new view. Oh, well. I've already switched back to the old view.

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That "enhanced view" is awful
I had a panicked moment today when suddenly I was in the enhanced view in my iPhone, and couldn't get to any of my other browser tabs.

It took some effort to get back to normal. Crisis averted! Enhanced View is horrid.
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Hi Rod,

The number one resin why I'd mount a CI800 series product to the ceiling joists with proper fasteners is to potentially avoid a skull crushing object from falling off the ceiling. Other than the speaker no longer being part of an infinite baffle (which changes it's response) I can think of no other reason not to do this.

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Thanks Patrick


I didn't realize the boxes were that heavy.

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In BB they drop the prices on CM8 to 989.00 a piece.
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I had a panicked moment today when suddenly I was in the enhanced view in my iPhone, and couldn't get to any of my other browser tabs.

It took some effort to get back to normal. Crisis averted! Enhanced View is horrid.
+1. They can't seem to fix it to bring you to last read and now this?!
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Looking for a multi channel amp that is "AB" needs to be min 200 watts and good reserves for b&w speakers. Looking for used...

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Hello all,

I am experiencing a little trouble setting up my DB1 subwoofer, When attempting to do the room configuration an error message indicates that the SC-01 sound card is not installed thus the measurements cannot be taken. I've tried different usb ports with the card to no avail.The microphone, mono input, and other parameters seem to be wired correctly but, as stated, nothing has worked as yet. I've read that the usb ports need to be configured in some old world configuration but a computer geek I am not.

Signal is coming through Oppo 105 > Classe SSP-800 > Classe 5300 > B&W 803Ds front, HTM4 center and 805Ds surround, everything wired XLR if possible (as is the sub). Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Looking for a multi channel amp that is "AB" needs to be min 200 watts and good reserves for b&w speakers. Looking for used...

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Bill
Bryston, there is typically an assortment of Bryston amps on Audiogon on any given day, all for very reasonable prices. The ranges very from the ST, to SST to SST2 series. With the original sales receipt whatever remains on the 20 year warranty is honored no matter how many times the amp changes hands. Can't go wrong really. So with the minimum of 200 watts that you want that puts you at the 4B model which is 300 watts. Beyond that if you want stereo then there is the 14B, which is 600 watts and of course the 7B mono block, also at 600 watts. Below the 4B is the 3B but that's 150 watts.

Opps, I should have asked, by multi-channel do you mean stereo or 3+ channels? If 3+ channels that changes things as Bryston only offer 1 amp with the type of power you are looking at, that's the 6B which is 3 channels.

If looking for more than 3 channels then Anthem might be something worth considering, their P5 would fit the bill nicely, 5 channels at 325 watts.


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I was under the impression that bryston amps are class A.

I like that you recommend the anthem. That is what I currently have and I am trying to add channels to my theater.

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I was under the impression that bryston amps are class A.

I like that you recommend the anthem. That is what I currently have and I am trying to add channels to my theater.

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Bryston amps do operate in A but only for the 1st 1% of the overall power. I think that percentage is correct but don't hold me to that, I know the percentage is very very low. So for the 4B, the first 3 watts would be class A while beyond that everything else is AB.

If just trying to add more channels rather than change out everything I think it makes the most sense to try and stick with the same manufacturer. You could add P2's or another P5. If you don't need 5 channels, you might want to look at the MCA series as that series at least gives you a 3 channel amp in case you need exactly 3 channels.

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Do you have the most recent version of the Sub App? It can be found here: http://bwgroupsupport.com/download/software

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Hello all,

I am experiencing a little trouble setting up my DB1 subwoofer, When attempting to do the room configuration an error message indicates that the SC-01 sound card is not installed thus the measurements cannot be taken. I've tried different usb ports with the card to no avail.The microphone, mono input, and other parameters seem to be wired correctly but, as stated, nothing has worked as yet. I've read that the usb ports need to be configured in some old world configuration but a computer geek I am not.

Signal is coming through Oppo 105 > Classe SSP-800 > Classe 5300 > B&W 803Ds front, HTM4 center and 805Ds surround, everything wired XLR if possible (as is the sub). Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Bryston amps do operate in A but only for the 1st 1% of the overall power. I think that percentage is correct but don't hold me to that, I know the percentage is very very low. So for the 4B, the first 3 watts would be class A while beyond that everything else is AB.

If just trying to add more channels rather than change out everything I think it makes the most sense to try and stick with the same manufacturer. You could add P2's or another P5. If you don't need 5 channels, you might want to look at the MCA series as that series at least gives you a 3 channel amp in case you need exactly 3 channels.
Based on the power draw of my 4Bsst2 vs my Parasound Halo A31 I have to assume some notable class A bias. Also Thrangs note of significant heat from the 7Bsst2s vs the 600 watt Mac monos make me suspect a fair bit of class A bias.

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Based on the power draw of my 4Bsst2 vs my Parasound Halo A31 I have to assume some notable class A bias. Also Thrangs note of significant heat from the 7Bsst2s vs the 600 watt Mac monos make me believe class A bias.
What's your observation of the 4Bsst2 vs. the A31?

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