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I don't like the front face of the new CM bookshelf speakers. The previous version with the overlapping circles and the little bolts around the ring had a high-tech, rugged, yet extremely classy look.

The new ones look too smooth and perhaps too generic. They almost look like KRK Rokit monitors now.

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I have the CMC2 with the CM10s up front with CM1s for surrounds with some CWM can;t remember the model in the ceiling for back surrounds. I too will be considering selling the CM1s for maybe the CM6s. Although at $2,000.00, they are a bit steep.
I agree, I think the CMC2 S2 and the CM9 S2 will be the accompaniment to my 1st gen CM5's. I don't think the CM6 is going to be $400 better, especially for a speaker that will eventually find it's way to surround duties. If they made a CMC3 with a tweeter on top, I might change my story. Then they would have 3 full systems to mix and match from. CM10, CM6, CMC3 all tweeter on top, CM9, CM5, CMC2 inboard tweeters, and CM8, CM1, CMC for smaller rooms or lower cost.

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I don't like the front face of the new CM bookshelf speakers. The previous version with the overlapping circles and the little bolts around the ring had a high-tech, rugged, yet extremely classy look.

The new ones look too smooth and perhaps too generic. They almost look like KRK Rokit monitors now.

Just my opinion.
I agree the 1st gen seemed to have a more industrial design element. The newer version is too smooth and plain.

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The big benefit of the new trim ring around the drivers is that it allows the use of larger bolts to fasten drivers to the front baffle. This better connection results in clearer bass with better pitch definition and dynamics.

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I don't like the front face of the new CM bookshelf speakers. The previous version with the overlapping circles and the little bolts around the ring had a high-tech, rugged, yet extremely classy look.

The new ones look too smooth and perhaps too generic. They almost look like KRK Rokit monitors now.

Just my opinion.

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Patrick, when will the 803 and/or 804's see a new model? Imminent?
When did the current iterations appear on the market?
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Patrick, when will the 803 and/or 804's see a new model? Imminent?
When did the current iterations appear on the market?
See his previous response here: B&W Owner's Thread

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Thx.
How about how long these models 803,4 have been out? If 2 years unlikely to change soon; if 7 years....
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Are most of the CM S2 speakers going to have the same tweeter as the CM10 - just not necessarily external to the cabinet?

If so, then with the CM9's getting the upgraded tweeter with some cabinet isolation with the gel packs and also improvements to the midrange speaker, is the gap between the CM9 and the CM10 going to increase, stay the same, or decrease?

I am still trying to understand the main changes and the differences between each of the models both new and old.

Thanks
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Thx.
How about how long these models 803,4 have been out? If 2 years unlikely to change soon; if 7 years....
Current diamond series were launched in the beginning of January 2010. Still don´t think we will see any update here for a while. They are still great!

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Hi MultimediaGeek,

CM9S2 features the following changes:
- Decoupled Double Dome tweeter- originally developed for the CM10
- Heavier and better braced cabinets- reduces cabinet flex for a quieter presentation
- Improved crossovers featuring Mundorf Evo capacitors (silver/gold oil) which are clearer sounding the previous capacitor
- Improved wiring harness
- Nickel plated binding posts

CM10S2 adds the following features
- Tweeter on top- reduces cabinet diffraction for a more three dimensional presentation
- An additional bass driver- more dynamic, more powerful
- Fully decoupled FST midrange driver.- more resolved, clearer midrange. Placement closer to top of cabinet also reduces diffraction.

Hope this helps!

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Are most of the CM S2 speakers going to have the same tweeter as the CM10 - just not necessarily external to the cabinet?

If so, then with the CM9's getting the upgraded tweeter with some cabinet isolation with the gel packs and also improvements to the midrange speaker, is the gap between the CM9 and the CM10 going to increase, stay the same, or decrease?

I am still trying to understand the main changes and the differences between each of the models both new and old.

Thanks
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What sort of discount might I expect purchasing new 803's from a dealer?

Also, what center might mate with these speakers other than the Diamond model? I am purchasing these speakers primarily for 2 ch audio, but they will be used for TV & movies as well, but I'm not looking to spend 1000's for a center (what difference does it make if the actors voice is not dead accurate?). Is it fair and accurate to think similar tonality is the key and all B&W speakers will share this, to a meaningful degree? Are other mfg also in play? Thanks
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So any confirmation when the cm## s2 will be available at BestBuy both in stock and in their system. Checked with magnolia mgr and seemed like it was news to them.
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What sort of discount might I expect purchasing new 803's from a dealer?

Also, what center might mate with these speakers other than the Diamond model? I am purchasing these speakers primarily for 2 ch audio, but they will be used for TV & movies as well, but I'm not looking to spend 1000's for a center (what difference does it make if the actors voice is not dead accurate?). Is it fair and accurate to think similar tonality is the key and all B&W speakers will share this, to a meaningful degree? Are other mfg also in play? Thanks
The average I have heard is up to 10% on new items. Floor model, leftover etc may have a larger discount. For 5.1 or 7.1 the center channel is the most important speaker, since most of the dialog is going to be from the center speaker. The HTM4 Diamond would be the same tone, since it uses the same tweeter. I'm guessing the CMC2 S2 at $1250 would be a cheaper but still good option as well.

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So any confirmation when the cm## s2 will be available at BestBuy both in stock and in their system. Checked with magnolia mgr and seemed like it was news to them.
My guy at Magnolia said it should be available mid September.

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Hey guys what do you think about the B&W CM10 (the first version)? I have decided to just spend some money on myself instead. My cousins have B&W before so they are great. The local dealer can give them to me (ex-demo) at $3200 for the pair in piano black. Is that a good deal? He said I could come over to listen to them first to see if I like them or not. Will the new CM10 s2 be better? I mean if it is and its $800 more brand new then I mine as well just get the new one instead.
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Here is (briefly) what's new:

Decoupled Double Dome tweeter- First seen last year in the CM10 and now applied to the entire series.
Cabinets- thicker, heavier, quieter. Same dimensions.
Crossovers- completely new and using Mundorf Silver/Gold Oil capacitors on the tweeters.
Bass driver- a newer, heavier duty spider is used on the bass drivers for greater control at higher outputs
Midbass- all of the 2 way designs now use the Anti-Resonance plug to reduce distortion at higher frequencies at higher volumes caused by voice coils going out of round.
Cabling- all the internal cabling has been upgraded
Binding posts- Nickel plated binding posts are mechanically better.

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So, Patrick could you describe the difference between the CM10 and CM10 S2 and between the CMC2 and CMC2 S2.

Like some people here I recently purchased the first ones, and well I agree that I just need to think if I like the sound of what I have. However pucharsing something and getting a new versión soon after doesn´t let you with good emotions…

Thank you!
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Hi Acerox,

CM10S2 uses heavier duty bolts to fasten bass drivers to the cabinet, and the new nickel plated binding posts. Small improvement in the bass, but otherwise identical performance.

The CMC2S2 is another matter altogether. New tweeter, improved bass drivers (better spiders), new crossover, new cabinet that has a thicker front baffle and optimized bracing, new wiring harness, new binding posts.

So, the CMC2S2 is a clear improvement from the CMC2. The CM10S2 is mainly a cosmetic change to align it visually with the rest of the CM Series 2 products. If you already have CM10, keep them. If you are looking for a center channel upgrade, then you'll definitely get that by upgrading to the CMC2S2.

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So, Patrick could you describe the difference between the CM10 and CM10 S2 and between the CMC2 and CMC2 S2.

Like some people here I recently purchased the first ones, and well I agree that I just need to think if I like the sound of what I have. However pucharsing something and getting a new versión soon after doesn´t let you with good emotions…

Thank you!

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Hi Acerox,

CM10S2 uses heavier duty bolts to fasten bass drivers to the cabinet, and the new nickel plated binding posts. Small improvement in the bass, but otherwise identical performance.

The CMC2S2 is another matter altogether. New tweeter, improved bass drivers (better spiders), new crossover, new cabinet that has a thicker front baffle and optimized bracing, new wiring harness, new binding posts.

So, the CMC2S2 is a clear improvement from the CMC2. The CM10S2 is mainly a cosmetic change to align it visually with the rest of the CM Series 2 products. If you already have CM10, keep them. If you are looking for a center channel upgrade, then you'll definitely get that by upgrading to the CMC2S2.

Regards,

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Thank you Patrick! And for the CM5 S2? I was planning to get them for surround duties for movies. Now with the new models might a good time find a good deal for the old model. But the new ones, or even the CM6, might be too much just for that purpose.
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With the exception of CM10, every CM Series 1 product was redesigned. Changes to the CM5 in the CM5S2 include:

1. Decoupled Double Dome tweeter
2. New Anti Resonance Plug tuned mid bass driver
3. New cabinet with a thicker front baffle and optimized bracing
4. New crossover with Mundorf Evo capacitors
5. New wiring harness
6. New nickel plated binding posts


Best,

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Thank you Patrick! And for the CM5 S2? I was planning to get them for surround duties for movies. Now with the new models might a good time find a good deal for the old model. But the new ones, or even the CM6, might be too much just for that purpose.

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Guessing 6 above meant to say nickel coated even if that is quite nice. 😄
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Question for Patrick: my 2-year-old grandson got to my Nautilus 805 speaker and pushed in the tweeter. I have a spare Nautilus 804 tweeter. Can I use it as a replacement or are the specs different? Thanks in advance.
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Yikes. I'm afraid the answer is no. The Nautilus 805 has a tweeter unique to it and the center channels of the period. Nautilus 804 shares the same part with 803, 802, 801. If you live in North America, the replacement tweeter can be found here: http://www.bwgroupusa.com/bwgroup-pa...2-tweeter.html

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Question for Patrick: my 2-year-old grandson got to my Nautilus 805 speaker and pushed in the tweeter. I have a spare Nautilus 804 tweeter. Can I use it as a replacement or are the specs different? Thanks in advance.
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Guessing 6 above meant to say nickel coated even if that is quite nice. 😄
Hoping they really did plate them.
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So, Patrick could you describe the difference between the CM10 and CM10 S2 and between the CMC2 and CMC2 S2.

Like some people here I recently purchased the first ones, and well I agree that I just need to think if I like the sound of what I have. However pucharsing something and getting a new versión soon after doesn´t let you with good emotions…

Thank you!
Thank you soooooo much for asking this. I am looking into purchasing the 10 and center 2 and was struggling with the possible discounts that may happen on the older 10's.
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Thanks Patrick for being so kind to answer all the questions. I will definitely keep my CM10 and I will think what to do with my CMC2 and with the CM5 I was planning to purchase, I guess I will wait until the first reviews appear, or try to go to some demo...
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Ok guys I need some quick advice quick before late tomorrow. I have a deal for $3000 for a pair of B&W cm10 ex demo or $3400 for a new pair of CM10. These are not the cm10s2 that just came out which is $4000/pr. Do you guys recommend ex demo. I mean it is $400 cheaper which I could use towards something else.
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Did B&W revise in ceiling and inwall speakers too?


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