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Will something like the XTZ 99 Floorstand Matt Black work? They seem to be rather solid... and cheaper than the Atacama's I already bought.
These look really solid. Unfortunately it doesn't look like you can bolt the speakers to the top plate so I would still recommend blu tak or similar compound to prevent the speakers from sliding (due to accidental bumping of the stands).

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Hi Guys,
I just did my first measure with my XTZ Pro kit in my room but I wondering How bad it is, in the Bass region I see a dip in 89Hz and another to 250Hz do you think that a bass trap would help with it?



in the full band I saw a dip to 3800 hz but in my room I'm using 8 panels (4x4" and 4x2" to thick) in the front and rear wall , How I can get better response?

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Yes in high bias mode first 25 watts is Class A...low bias would be first 10 watts. But where the rack is this is no longer an issue, and I have a large fan for the rack that turns on from a switched outlet on the Furman when the system is powered up.
Did you find certain Bryston amps were noticeably hotter than the others, say the 7's were borderline hot while the 6 and 3 were just warm or would you say they were all equally warm or hot? Like you say now it's not going to matter no matter how warm the Halo's may get since they are no longer in the room. It will be intersting to see if you observe what leo sees that the amps don't really get all that warm.

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I thought the same thing when I bought my A31 but I had a big surprise when I found it is more cool than my rotel and classe amplifier, my rack not have fans to my amplifiers and it still remain cool almost for 4 hour at least.
Very interesting, I wonder why that would be? Is the A31 different than the JC-1's with respect to it's Class A operation?

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Did you find certain Bryston amps were noticeably hotter than the others, say the 7's were borderline hot while the 6 and 3 were just warm or would you say they were all equally warm or hot? Like you say now it's not going to matter no matter how warm the Halo's may get since they are no longer in the room. It will be intersting to see if you observe what leo sees that the amps don't really get all that warm.



Very interesting, I wonder why that would be? Is the A31 different than the JC-1's with respect to it's Class A operation?
I don't think the MCH amps run nearly as high into Class A as the monos, though I'm not sure the cutover...


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Very interesting, I wonder why that would be? Is the A31 different than the JC-1's with respect to it's Class A operation?
yes It is only 7W in class A. But In my case it never go more than 2W because my room is very small and I'm not listen more than 80dB in my spot.

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Does the Rosenut S1 CM1 have the same finish as the 'newer' S2 versions coming out? Is it the same Rosenut color? Can anyone confirm who may have seen the S2's?
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Suggestions for best Surround speakers with B&W CM10s S2 and CMC2 S2
I recently started upgrading my home theater from KEF T205 systems.

Equipments ordered so far:
Pair of B&W CM10s S2 version
CMC2 S2 for center
ASW10CM S2 for SUB
Receiver - Denon 4520ci or 4100

Looking for suggestions for best surround speakers that goes well with above combination. Can anyone recommend something? I have open space behind my couch, so it has to be either speakers on the stand or mounted on the side walls.

Thanks in advance....
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Suggestions for best Surround speakers with B&W CM10s S2 and CMC2 S2
I recently started upgrading my home theater from KEF T205 systems.

Equipments ordered so far:
Pair of B&W CM10s S2 version
CMC2 S2 for center
ASW10CM S2 for SUB
Receiver - Denon 4520ci or 4100

Looking for suggestions for best surround speakers that goes well with above combination. Can anyone recommend something? I have open space behind my couch, so it has to be either speakers on the stand or mounted on the side walls.

Thanks in advance....
CM5 or CM6S2's
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Suggestions for best Surround speakers with B&W CM10s S2 and CMC2 S2
I recently started upgrading my home theater from KEF T205 systems.

Equipments ordered so far:
Pair of B&W CM10s S2 version
CMC2 S2 for center
ASW10CM S2 for SUB
Receiver - Denon 4520ci or 4100

Looking for suggestions for best surround speakers that goes well with above combination. Can anyone recommend something? I have open space behind my couch, so it has to be either speakers on the stand or mounted on the side walls.

Thanks in advance....
Hi,
CM6 would be the smart choice.
That said, if your budget allows, you can do CM10S2 in the rear also and have the same speakers in the front and rear.
I have CM10S1 for fronts and CM10S1 for rears with the CM Center 2 S1. I was going to do a CM10S1 center, but they discontinued them before I had a chance to get a single CM10 for the center, and the CM10S2 have different rings around the drivers, so it would look cheesy and not match.

Anyone know if B&W is going to come out with a center with the tweeter on top?
Probably not if they didn't do it with the CM Center 2 S2, but I would think it would make sense.

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Hi,
CM6 would be the smart choice.
That said, if your budget allows, you can do CM10S2 in the rear also and have the same speakers in the front and rear.
I have CM10S1 for fronts and CM10S1 for rears with the CM Center 2 S1. I was going to do a CM10S1 center, but they discontinued them before I had a chance to get a single CM10 for the center, and the CM10S2 have different rings around the drivers, so it would look cheesy and not match.

Anyone know if B&W is going to come out with a center with the tweeter on top?
Probably not if they didn't do it with the CM Center 2 S2, but I would think it would make sense.
I wish I could do that...I dont think I have money and space in living room for buying more CM10s for rear .

I was thinking about spending around $1000-1500 on surround speakers and I guess choices are either go with CM5 S2 or CM1 S2 or DS3 (dipole speakers). Any more insights in these choices?
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I was thinking about spending around $1000-1500 on surround speakers and I guess choices are either go with CM5 S2 or CM1 S2 or DS3 (dipole speakers). Any more insights in these choices?
Are your surrounds mostly for movies, or will you be listening to a good amount of multichannel music?

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Are your surrounds mostly for movies, or will you be listening to a good amount of multichannel music?
I would say around 60-70% movies and 30-40% music
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I would say around 60-70% movies and 30-40% music
Well, the CM5's would be better for multi-channel music (although the CM1's are no slouch). For movies it won't matter much.

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Hi Guys,
I just did my first measure with my XTZ Pro kit in my room but I wondering How bad it is, in the Bass region I see a dip in 89Hz and another to 250Hz do you think that a bass trap would help with it?



in the full band I saw a dip to 3800 hz but in my room I'm using 8 panels (4x4" and 4x2" to thick) in the front and rear wall , How I can get better response?

someone has advice about it?

I'm posting some pictures of my setup now:





Leo,
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My HT: B&W 804D fronts, HTM4D center, 805D rears, Classe CA-2300 Main amp, Preamp Stereo CLASSE CP800, Preamp Multi Channel Denon AVR 3310, A31 parasound center and Surround Amp, Source Oppo BDP-95 screen Samsung 55" UE55d8000 SVS SB12-NSD
Stereo: B&W 804S fronts, Pre: Yamaha AVR663 amp, Rotel RB1582.

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Hey guys, first post here!

Have anybody listened the new 684 S2? Is it worth it VS. 685 S2? 2.1 hometheater, using BK Gemini2 for sub. So which one would you pick? Price wise 685 is better. 650€ VS. 1000€

My room is about 4 x 5 meters (13.12 x 16.40 feet). I don`t listen music that much, just radio sometimes. So this would be movies only. I have heard good stuff from this new S2 serie. I had 601 S3? (i think...) many years ago in small apartment, liked them then.

I am upgrading from q-acoustics 2010.

I want something more dynamic, sounding bigger, wider/big soundstage etc. Is b&w 685/684 S2 my choice? Or would you say CM S2 serie would be better for movies? I only could afford CM1 S2 (900€), which is kind of small one.. But da*n it looks nice!

AVR is warm sounding, but beefy Harmann Kardon AVR-255.Thx!
I would go with the 685s2 and save some money, I have the B&W 683s1 685s1. I just upgraded to the 683s2 for front L&R 685s2 for surrounds. The most improvement I notice in the B&W 2nd series is in the 685s2 deeper bass allot more dynamic, if you have a budget of $1,000 i would get some used 683s1 that will be worth the $1000 they sound amazing. I don't think the 684s2 is worth spending $1,000 on personally.

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The rosenut finish is the same in the new CM series was the previous generation.

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Does the Rosenut S1 CM1 have the same finish as the 'newer' S2 versions coming out? Is it the same Rosenut color? Can anyone confirm who may have seen the S2's?
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The rosenut finish is the same in the new CM series was the previous generation.

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Patrick, did B&W discontinued Wenge finish in new CM series?
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someone has advice about it?

I'm posting some pictures of my setup now:




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Hi Guys,
I just did my first measure with my XTZ Pro kit in my room but I wondering How bad it is, in the Bass region I see a dip in 89Hz and another to 250Hz do you think that a bass trap would help with it?



in the full band I saw a dip to 3800 hz but in my room I'm using 8 panels (4x4" and 4x2" to thick) in the front and rear wall , How I can get better response?

That looks pretty bad. You might try some room correction software like Dirac or others.

http://www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series
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That looks pretty bad. You might try some room correction software like Dirac or others.

http://www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series
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What do you think about the waterfalls?
I saw this review and with the dirac you will not get a flat response either.
http://www.hifizine.com/2014/05/mini...vr-case-study/

According the range of his graphics looks like he has dips of more o less 10dB

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Is that with L+R (and sub) or did you take the L/R measurements separately?
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Is that with L+R (and sub) or did you take the L/R measurements separately?
It's front channels together, I did measure for each channel but I posted only the response R+L.

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Is that with L+R (and sub) or did you take the L/R measurements separately?
It's front channels together, I did measure for each channel but I posted only the response R+L.
That's what I suspected. Looking at the L and R graphs separately, is the "comb" shape for each more or less severe after 1/12 octave smoothing is applied?

Also, that dip around 70 hz might smooth out some by adjusting your sub's distance setting +/- a few feet after you've determined optimum placement.
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That's what I suspected. Looking at the L and R graphs separately, is the "comb" shape for each more or less severe after 1/12 octave smoothing is applied?

Also, that dip around 70 hz might smooth out some by adjusting your sub's distance setting +/- a few feet after you've determined optimum placement.
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Thanks for your feedback, yes with both channels the graphic was better. Each channel separately was worse, even the right channel has a room mode to 55 Hz but when I test both channels this room mode disappear. I have not used the SW, I never do with music because I like the sound without it and this response it’s only of the 804D's working together; at like you can see the bass is very strong even in the 30’s range.

This was the response for the right channel:



And this the left channel:



I not understand very well the waterfalls but what I read if the decay is even in the full frequency band is good, I saw in my waterfall that over 40Hz and up to 19kHz is very even with a decay of 80 ms in average for this range. So I need face with the 30’s Hz range and get the same result so I’m thinking in buy a bass trap that could work with this. I tried several position for the speakers but the current position is the best to my ears.


I know that this is not the right thread for asking that but if someone could help me to identify the best bass trap I appreciate this and if I misunderstood the waterfalls in the full range please feel free to correct me.

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Hi all -

back at the first of the year, I purchased a pair of 685's which have now been moved back into the Surround spots. Unfortunately, the stands that were purchased with them are about 6" too short to allow the speaker to sit completely over the top of my couches. I have read that the primary consideration is to have the tweeters at (or pointing at) ear level, but is the top of the couch liable to interfere with the mid-range response from my surrounds? Before working further on moving the speakers onto stands on the wall, I wanted to get the forum's input on whether I'm wasting my time. Room layout sketch is attached.

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Thanks,
What do you think about the waterfalls?
I saw this review and with the dirac you will not get a flat response either.
http://www.hifizine.com/2014/05/mini...vr-case-study/

According the range of his graphics looks like he has dips of more o less 10dB
Waterfalls didn't appear too shabby. How is the SQ in that room? I suppose as long as it sounds good, then no biggie.
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Waterfalls didn't appear too shabby. How is the SQ in that room? I suppose as long as it sounds good, then no biggie.
it sound pretty good for me, I think that I'm not missing nothing.

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it sound pretty good for me, I think that I'm not missing nothing.
Yeah, if it sounds good, then it is good. No worries.
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