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post #19711 of 19730 Old 10-23-2014, 12:56 PM
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Looking for opinions re CMC center vs CMC2 center for my CM9 s1 versions. Forum search didn't turn up much details. The CM center will fit in my stand. Is it really bad compared to the CMC2 ? Not looking for perfection, just good timber match.
I have the CM Center because the CMC2 won't fit in my stand...I really, really wish I had the CMC2. Only way to make it fit would have been to modify my stand, cutting out part of the front trim. The CMC isn't *bad*, but it's just...kind of blah, at least to my ears. I've heard the CMC2, and could hear the difference immediately. YMMV.

If you do end up going with the CMC, work extra hard to dial it in. After I ran my room correction, it had it set to "small". I changed it to "large", and that made a big improvement. Again, YMMV.

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Ok, thanks. Will try to check it out locally. To be honest, I don't really care for the center so much. For movies, as long as we can hear the dialogue, I am fine. Main purpose is music. I normally listen in stereo anyway, but sometimes like to turn on Dolby surround processing on my Onkyo 818. That's when the center matters to me because what I have is not timbre matched to the CM9s. As long as the CMC sounds good for music applications, I think I will be good to go.
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The CMC is a decent center but I think the smaller drivers and lower sensitivity (84-85 dB) make it harder to drive than the much better designed 3-way CMC2. It's really designed for smaller rooms. I think it should timbre match fine with the CM9s even though the CMC2 is the perfect match.

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Well, I measured the space in my AV stand, the CMC2 is not going to fit. I did listen to the HTM1 and HTM2 (i think) at best buy today. The HTM2 certainly sounded better than the smaller sibling, but I'm guessing once set up with Audyssey in my room, the sensitivity should be fine even with smaller drivers.
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I am considering the 802 Diamonds. The series appears to have love/hate constituencies.
I understand they do not measure flat (but don't know the sonic implications).
What are the knocks against the speaker that I should weigh in my decision? Thanks.
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I am considering the 802 Diamonds. The series appears to have love/hate constituencies.
I understand they do not measure flat (but don't know the sonic implications).
What are the knocks against the speaker that I should weigh in my decision? Thanks.
No offense, but don't bother asking this question.

For this kind of coin, you need to determine that answer by listening yourself - that's it. I can tell you how much I love my 800/802 speakers, and someone else will tell you., "meh..." You also don't list their function (two channel, multi-channel music/movies), room, treatments, associated equipment.

Regardless, you are still left with needing to listen, and compare to other speakers if you are not sure. If you fall in love, be happy and do it.

I personally use them for two channel and movies in a dedicated living space, and am continually thrilled by them. Now, discard that opinion...
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Done that and ready to pull the trigger, but dealer auditions do not reveal all that is learned living with a speaker. Just taking one more pass to learn what I can.
Two channel listening. 5500 sq ft room.
Have a Audio Research SP9 ll preamp and a Aragon 4004 ll. Considering replacing them with a Musical Fidelity integrated M6 500.
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Ok, thanks. Will try to check it out locally. To be honest, I don't really care for the center so much. For movies, as long as we can hear the dialogue, I am fine. Main purpose is music. I normally listen in stereo anyway, but sometimes like to turn on Dolby surround processing on my Onkyo 818. That's when the center matters to me because what I have is not timbre matched to the CM9s. As long as the CMC sounds good for music applications, I think I will be good to go.
The CMC2 is a much better center. It's very obvious when comparing them. 2ch audio will sound fine, but If you find yourself getting interested in multichannel audio or Blu-Ray concerts (and you really should) the CMC2 will be worth every penny. Even for movies that do any sort of musical split across the front channels the CMC2 will be much better.

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I need advice on surround speakers to go with the new B&W CM 9s. B&W doesn't really have a good surround selection, except perhaps in-wall/ceiling. Can anyone suggest a good on-wall surround option? My room is 25x15x10.
Also, one suggestion I'm considering is a pair of the 684S2s to be placed as back surrounds. This option would probably work well for music, but I wonder about the SQ for movies. Thanks, Ed
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I need advice on surround speakers to go with the new B&W CM 9s. B&W doesn't really have a good surround selection, except perhaps in-wall/ceiling. Can anyone suggest a good on-wall surround option? My room is 25x15x10.
Also, one suggestion I'm considering is a pair of the 684S2s to be placed as back surrounds. This option would probably work well for music, but I wonder about the SQ for movies. Thanks, Ed
Can you do CM8 or CM9 in the rear?

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KaliKid2013...I'm already exceeding the WAF with the CM9, so I have to think lower cost with the surrounds. But a room with CM9 up front and 8/9 rear would be awesome.
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I need advice on surround speakers to go with the new B&W CM 9s. B&W doesn't really have a good surround selection, except perhaps in-wall/ceiling. Can anyone suggest a good on-wall surround option? My room is 25x15x10.
Also, one suggestion I'm considering is a pair of the 684S2s to be placed as back surrounds. This option would probably work well for music, but I wonder about the SQ for movies. Thanks, Ed
Is there a problem with putting CM5 or CM1 on stands in the back?

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I need advice on surround speakers to go with the new B&W CM 9s. B&W doesn't really have a good surround selection, except perhaps in-wall/ceiling. Can anyone suggest a good on-wall surround option? My room is 25x15x10.
Also, one suggestion I'm considering is a pair of the 684S2s to be placed as back surrounds. This option would probably work well for music, but I wonder about the SQ for movies. Thanks, Ed
Either CM5 on stands or CCM7.4 ceilings or CWM7.3 or 4 for the walls.
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Done that and ready to pull the trigger, but dealer auditions do not reveal all that is learned living with a speaker. Just taking one more pass to learn what I can.
Two channel listening. 5500 sq ft room.
Have a Audio Research SP9 ll preamp and a Aragon 4004 ll. Considering replacing them with a Musical Fidelity integrated M6 500.
Not sure that a pair of them will be sufficient to "fill" a 5500 sq.ft. room with the Aragon amp but might be OK if your listening position is fairly close to the speakers. Also, with a room of that size, it is unlikely that the experiences of others will be directly relevant to your situation.

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Hi,

After reviewing Kal's MITR review for the yamaha pre/pro and amp, I took the plunge for both units (been eyeing them for a while now, got a great price for both).

The units are paired with a couple of CM10 S2 and CM5 for the back surround.

My dilemma lies in the center channel... As many others, my rack won't fit the cmc2, just the cmc... I auditioned a cmc s1 but I had to run the unit cracked up in order to avoid the cm10's from overpowering it. I having a carpenter over tomorrow to see if he can lower the center shelf by 1" and fit the cmc2.

In case this won't be possible, will the new cmc s2 be much better and blend better? Else, what are your thoughts on this?

My BDI rack has an 8" space to accommodate the center speaker...
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Hi,

After reviewing Kal's MITR review for the yamaha pre/pro and amp, I took the plunge for both units (been eyeing them for a while now, got a great price for both).

The units are paired with a couple of CM10 S2 and CM5 for the back surround.

My dilemma lies in the center channel... As many others, my rack won't fit the cmc2, just the cmc... I auditioned a cmc s1 but I had to run the unit cracked up in order to avoid the cm10's from overpowering it. I having a carpenter over tomorrow to see if he can lower the center shelf by 1" and fit the cmc2.

In case this won't be possible, will the new cmc s2 be much better and blend better? Else, what are your thoughts on this?

My BDI rack has an 8" space to accommodate the center speaker...
I know it's not the answer you're looking for but the CMC2 S2 would be the best match. The CMC2 S1 would be my second choice. The CMC S2 gets the new tweeter upgrade but it's still the same size with the same size woofers and might still be overwhelmed (although this is curious since I assume you're using some sort of calibration).

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I know it's not the answer you're looking for but the CMC2 S2 would be the best match. The CMC2 S1 would be my second choice. The CMC S2 gets the new tweeter upgrade but it's still the same size with the same size woofers and might still be overwhelmed (although this is curious since I assume you're using some sort of calibration).
Yep, Im using the Yamaha YPAO RSC calibration but I feel I have not reached a good performance from it.
Before the CM10's I had connected the Monitor Audio RX 8 Silver and Centre, and the balance was quite good. Now, with the B&W speakers, I find the overall timbre too bright (this was also with the CMC installed). I have fiddled with the manual eq but I find that selecting the through (no eq) setting sounds best for the B&W speakers.

The YPAO sets the level for the cmc at +6db but I find I need to raise it to almost +9db in order to have the balanced sound as before.

Maybe Kal Rubinson can shed some light on this subject since he thoroughly played with it for the Stereophile review...
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Yep, Im using the Yamaha YPAO RSC calibration but I feel I have not reached a good performance from it.
Before the CM10's I had connected the Monitor Audio RX 8 Silver and Centre, and the balance was quite good. Now, with the B&W speakers, I find the overall timbre too bright (this was also with the CMC installed). I have fiddled with the manual eq but I find that selecting the through (no eq) setting sounds best for the B&W speakers.

The YPAO sets the level for the cmc at +6db but I find I need to raise it to almost +9db in order to have the balanced sound as before.

Maybe Kal Rubinson can shed some light on this subject since he thoroughly played with it for the Stereophile review...
That definitely seems excessive. Is the center at ear height, pulled to the front of the stand/shelf or at least angled up slightly toward the listening position?

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Not sure that a pair of them will be sufficient to "fill" a 5500 sq.ft. room with the Aragon amp but might be OK if your listening position is fairly close to the speakers. Also, with a room of that size, it is unlikely that the experiences of others will be directly relevant to your situation.
I assumed he meant 5500 cu ft but even so 20 x 20 x 10 is 4000 cu ft so if true, that is a large room.
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18x28x10 so ~5000 cf; listening seat 12' from spkr.
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