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Looking for opinions re CMC center vs CMC2 center for my CM9 s1 versions. Forum search didn't turn up much details. The CM center will fit in my stand. Is it really bad compared to the CMC2 ? Not looking for perfection, just good timber match.
I have the CM Center because the CMC2 won't fit in my stand...I really, really wish I had the CMC2. Only way to make it fit would have been to modify my stand, cutting out part of the front trim. The CMC isn't *bad*, but it's just...kind of blah, at least to my ears. I've heard the CMC2, and could hear the difference immediately. YMMV.

If you do end up going with the CMC, work extra hard to dial it in. After I ran my room correction, it had it set to "small". I changed it to "large", and that made a big improvement. Again, YMMV.

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Ok, thanks. Will try to check it out locally. To be honest, I don't really care for the center so much. For movies, as long as we can hear the dialogue, I am fine. Main purpose is music. I normally listen in stereo anyway, but sometimes like to turn on Dolby surround processing on my Onkyo 818. That's when the center matters to me because what I have is not timbre matched to the CM9s. As long as the CMC sounds good for music applications, I think I will be good to go.
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The CMC is a decent center but I think the smaller drivers and lower sensitivity (84-85 dB) make it harder to drive than the much better designed 3-way CMC2. It's really designed for smaller rooms. I think it should timbre match fine with the CM9s even though the CMC2 is the perfect match.

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Well, I measured the space in my AV stand, the CMC2 is not going to fit. I did listen to the HTM1 and HTM2 (i think) at best buy today. The HTM2 certainly sounded better than the smaller sibling, but I'm guessing once set up with Audyssey in my room, the sensitivity should be fine even with smaller drivers.
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I am considering the 802 Diamonds. The series appears to have love/hate constituencies.
I understand they do not measure flat (but don't know the sonic implications).
What are the knocks against the speaker that I should weigh in my decision? Thanks.
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I am considering the 802 Diamonds. The series appears to have love/hate constituencies.
I understand they do not measure flat (but don't know the sonic implications).
What are the knocks against the speaker that I should weigh in my decision? Thanks.
No offense, but don't bother asking this question.

For this kind of coin, you need to determine that answer by listening yourself - that's it. I can tell you how much I love my 800/802 speakers, and someone else will tell you., "meh..." You also don't list their function (two channel, multi-channel music/movies), room, treatments, associated equipment.

Regardless, you are still left with needing to listen, and compare to other speakers if you are not sure. If you fall in love, be happy and do it.

I personally use them for two channel and movies in a dedicated living space, and am continually thrilled by them. Now, discard that opinion...
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Done that and ready to pull the trigger, but dealer auditions do not reveal all that is learned living with a speaker. Just taking one more pass to learn what I can.
Two channel listening. 5500 sq ft room.
Have a Audio Research SP9 ll preamp and a Aragon 4004 ll. Considering replacing them with a Musical Fidelity integrated M6 500.
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Ok, thanks. Will try to check it out locally. To be honest, I don't really care for the center so much. For movies, as long as we can hear the dialogue, I am fine. Main purpose is music. I normally listen in stereo anyway, but sometimes like to turn on Dolby surround processing on my Onkyo 818. That's when the center matters to me because what I have is not timbre matched to the CM9s. As long as the CMC sounds good for music applications, I think I will be good to go.
The CMC2 is a much better center. It's very obvious when comparing them. 2ch audio will sound fine, but If you find yourself getting interested in multichannel audio or Blu-Ray concerts (and you really should) the CMC2 will be worth every penny. Even for movies that do any sort of musical split across the front channels the CMC2 will be much better.

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I need advice on surround speakers to go with the new B&W CM 9s. B&W doesn't really have a good surround selection, except perhaps in-wall/ceiling. Can anyone suggest a good on-wall surround option? My room is 25x15x10.
Also, one suggestion I'm considering is a pair of the 684S2s to be placed as back surrounds. This option would probably work well for music, but I wonder about the SQ for movies. Thanks, Ed
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I am considering the 802 Diamonds. The series appears to have love/hate constituencies.
I understand they do not measure flat (but don't know the sonic implications).
What are the knocks against the speaker that I should weigh in my decision? Thanks.
I agree with Thrang, you have to listen to them, and even better if you could borrow a pair and listen in your environment. But I can share my recent 802 Diamond experience.

I just got a shiny new pair of Piano Black 802 Diamonds Wednesday. I have a very small room, 10'X12', but I am confident, with the proper room treatment and electronics, these babies will sing. So far, they are a bit boomy, but I anticipated that in this room, and I have sufficient bass traps due to arrive early next week. I am really looking forward to getting the traps installed and playing around with these babies.

I am only about 3 years into this hobby (and I thought having a boat was bad), so I can't really give you some scientific, technical review, I just don't have that in my vocabulary yet...I am eagerly learning more and more every day. But I can share with you why I purchased the 802 Diamonds and how they sound so far.

I was on the fence between the 802 Diamonds and 804 Diamonds. Based on my room size, the 804 Diamonds would be a perfect match. I tried a pair for a couple of weeks and they sounded awesome...but I knew there was better...

So I recently was afforded the opportunity to hear the 802 Diamonds in a great environment, set-up by someone who knew exactly how to maximize their potential. The electronics were modest, Rotel equipment...CD player, pre and 200 watt amp...maybe $5,000 - $6,000 worth of electronics. I have to tell you, it was a stunning experience.

Having owned 684s, CM9s & CM10s for several years, and trying 804 Diamonds for an extended period of time, I was used to the B&W sound...crisp, clear and detailed mids and highs and controlled, accurate bass.

But the 802 Diamonds took my music to an entirely different realm of listening.

To say they sounded incredible would be doing them a tremendous injustice. The soundstage, imaging and detail was nothing short of spectacular...I know now what they mean when they say "make the speakers disappear".

I heard things in the music that I have never heard with any of the previous speakers I have owned or listened to. While putting them through their paces I listened to a wide variety of music, some easily listening acoustic folksy 70s, some progressive rock, some drum heavy bass driven fusion jazz and some extremely bass heavy tribal/techno. Everything sounded incredible, and I just wanted to keep listening. The music with the heavy bass was handled perfectly and was very detailed and revealing. Drum hits that on other speakers sounded like 1 or 2 hits, were now recognized as multiple hits or rolls. Where prior, that level of bass detail was never noticeable.

I don't see a lot of knocks in the 804 Diamonds. I now know their potential, and I know any minor shortcomings I am experiencing now, are 100% due to the room acoustics. And the only real complaint I have is the aforementioned bass...which is clearly my room and not the speakers. I don't know what else you are considering, but prior to going with the 802 Diamonds, I listened to a lot of other brands of the same quality/price. To make sure I was not being a B&W "fan-boy", I listened to Thiel, KEF, Legacy, Focal, Paradigm, McIntosh and several others. My goal was to find out what was better and buy it.

Many of the other brand I listened to were great...but for my taste and my ears, nothing came close to the 802 Diamonds. Now I just have to get this damn room to cooperate.

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I need advice on surround speakers to go with the new B&W CM 9s. B&W doesn't really have a good surround selection, except perhaps in-wall/ceiling. Can anyone suggest a good on-wall surround option? My room is 25x15x10.
Also, one suggestion I'm considering is a pair of the 684S2s to be placed as back surrounds. This option would probably work well for music, but I wonder about the SQ for movies. Thanks, Ed
Can you do CM8 or CM9 in the rear?

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KaliKid2013...I'm already exceeding the WAF with the CM9, so I have to think lower cost with the surrounds. But a room with CM9 up front and 8/9 rear would be awesome.
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