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If one were to go with the CM5S2's up front, could I continue to use the HTM4D2 with them? Would this be a horrible matchup? I just haven't been all that happy with the sound I have been hearing from the current and older CM series centers.
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I'm using a pair of old Sony bookshelf speakers (model number is in my sig). Nothing to write home about, obviously. My set up is in my bedroom as well and it's about the same size as yours. Was thinking of getting M-1s but I'm waiting to move to a new house, which will happen soonish...
I like them they did not cost that a lot money and they sound good.
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If one were to go with the CM5S2's up front, could I continue to use the HTM4D2 with them? Would this be a horrible matchup? I just haven't been all that happy with the sound I have been hearing from the current and older CM series centers.
If it was me, I would go with CMCS2 or S1, the HTM4D2 805 or 804 diamonds.
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real curious how the newer CM6 S2 models perform? Was considering these over Monitor Audio GX100 monitors and GXC350 centre.

Employing as fronts along with CM Centre 2 S2
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real curious how the newer CM6 S2 models perform? Was considering these over Monitor Audio GX100 monitors and GXC350 centre.

Employing as fronts along with CM Centre 2 S2
I am absolutely loving them, but it's very subjective (especially in this price range of entry-level audiophile speakers). I've read reviews of people who say they sound "muddy" and undefined, but I find them to be the exact opposite. I love their accuracy and detail, especially in a smaller size speaker. I admit, however, that I've never heard the GX100s, so I can't really make a comparison. The CMC2 is a great center and I have no complaints about it as well.

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Are you using a sub in your system?
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I just saw your post about the CMC2 S2. Were you able to make a side by side comparison by the CMC2 S1? I recently got the CMC2 S1, and I am also considering moving to the S2, but I don't know if it is worth it.
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I did do a side by side with the CMC2 S1 and S2. I didn't post about it because it wasn't very scientific, just my ears. The S1 sounds fine with the CM9s and matches them well. It's still lacking on the high end in my opinion and too heavy on the bass in my opinion, but the bass issue is solved with an 80Hz crossover. The highs can't quite be solved, even with EQ as I've tried.

The S2 really is an all around better sounding speaker, especially with the CM10. In my testing I did find that both speakers sound much better above the TV than below it. Maybe it gives more vertical dispersion because that's what it is designed to do.

If you have S2 fronts (or CM10 S1) then definitely go for the CMC2 S2 if you can. It's a huge difference in transparency. I would 'notice' my CMC2 all the time, but I rarely notice the CMC2S2 unless I pull myself out of the action to gaze in awe of a spectacular center channel speaker.
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Okay, then setting your front L/R, Center, or Surrounds to large will defeat the purpose of using your subwoofer in the first place.

Setting those speakers to large basically means no bass management, and no LFE from your awesome Hsu subwoofer.

Set your crossover at 80Hz and your speakers to "small", then come back and let us know how that sounds.

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real curious how the newer CM6 S2 models perform? Was considering these over Monitor Audio GX100 monitors and GXC350 centre.

Employing as fronts along with CM Centre 2 S2
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I am absolutely loving them, but it's very subjective (especially in this price range of entry-level audiophile speakers). I've read reviews of people who say they sound "muddy" and undefined, but I find them to be the exact opposite. I love their accuracy and detail, especially in a smaller size speaker. I admit, however, that I've never heard the GX100s, so I can't really make a comparison. The CMC2 is a great center and I have no complaints about it as well.
this is good. thanks

The Monitor Audio GX100's and CM6-S2 are fairly equally priced. Hence I'm very curious to actual sound differences, especially whether the B&W's "bullet" type tweeter [noticeably] exceeds Monitor Audio's "ribbon" type tweeter? I know the GX100 yields very nice mid-range/mid-bass

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this is good. thanks

The Monitor Audio GX100's and CM6-S2 are fairly equally priced. I'm very curious to actual sound differences, especially whether the B&W's "bullet" type tweeter [noticeably] exceeds Monitor Audio's "ribbon" type tweeter? I know the GX100 yields very nice mid-range/mid-bass
I don't know if "exceeds" would be the proper word to describe the CM6 tweeter vs the ribbon tweeter of the GX100. They're different that's for certain. Many listeners really enjoy the ribbon tweeter whether it is incorporated in a Monitor Audio loudspeaker or otherwise. The level of detail is amazing and they're not fatiguing (ribbon tweeters that is).

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Really- work the rack and not the other way around. Can't you mount your display on the wall and use your top shelf for a better center? You don't need to run the cables in the wall. I conceal mycables with a cable strip you can pick up at Best Buy. Painted wall color.

Folks are being sweet here. The CM center is crap. I know I have it my bedroom with CM5s. I tolerate it as for a lazy evening in bed for an occasional TV movie or Nik at nite it's fine.

Your front speakers are much better and deserve the CMC2. Seriously.

Hang the display already and get a better center. But that's just my opinion of course .

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Trust me, I've done my research... Can't hang the display as I have a large window behind it. Also can't raise the monitor more with the back stand... I even tried to modify the rack but my carpenter examined it and said it is not possible to lower the shelf....

I'm screwed, big time.
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Hello, i'm looking for Center, please give me some advice about center: CM centre 2 S2 or HTM1? i read spec that CM2S2 is better in high-frequency, newer techologies (may be clearer and filler in room).
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Okay, then setting your front L/R, Center, or Surrounds to large will defeat the purpose of using your subwoofer in the first place.

Setting those speakers to large basically means no bass management, and no LFE from your awesome Hsu subwoofer.

Set your crossover at 80Hz and your speakers to "small", then come back and let us know how that sounds.
L/R and surrounds are set to small, crossover is set to 80hz, and center *was* set to small...but I changed it to large. When set to small, it sounds like crap. Dialog sounds distant. Much brighter and better balanced when set to large. I'm still getting output from the sub...

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L/R and surrounds are set to small, crossover is set to 80hz, and center *was* set to small...but I changed it to large. When set to small, it sounds like crap. Dialog sounds distant. Much brighter and better balanced when set to large. I'm still getting output from the sub...
I set everything back to small and played around with the channel level of the center...it helps a bit. Still not great, but better.

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Hello, i'm looking for Center, please give me some advice about center: CM centre 2 S2 or HTM1? i read spec that CM2S2 is better in high-frequency, newer techologies (may be clearer and filler in room).
thanks.
What does the rest of your system consist of? The center channel is the most important speaker when it comes to movies. Far less important if you only listen to music.

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was checking specs on CM Centre-2 S2, noticed weight is listed at 41.0lbs? Could'nt be correct? Should'nt it be somewhere near 20lbs to 25lbs?

Specs from B&W web-site:
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Flowport
Technical features Nautilus tube loaded Decoupled Double Dome aluminium tweeter
Kevlar® brand fibre FST midrange
Flowport™
Description 3-way vented-box system
Drive units 1x ø25mm (1 in) Decoupled Double Dome aluminium high-frequency
1x ø100mm (4 in) Kevlar® cone FST midrange
2x ø165mm (6.5 in) Paper/Kevlar® cone bass
Frequency range -6dB at 45Hz and 50kHz
Frequency response 50Hz - 28kHz ±3dB
Dispersion Within 2dB of reference response
Horizontal: over 60º arc
Vertical: over 10º arc
Sensitivity 89dB spl (2.83V, 1m)
Harmonic distortion 2nd and 3rd harmonics (90dB, 1m)
<1% 90Hz - 22kHz
<0.5% 120Hz - 20kHz
Nominal impedance 8Ω (minimum 3Ω)
Crossover frequencies 350Hz, 4kHz
Recommended amplifier power 30W - 200W into 8V on unclipped programme
Max. recommended cable impedance 0,1 Ω
Dimensions Height: 225mm (8.6 in)
Width: 590mm (23.2 in)
Depth: 285mm (11.2 in) cabinet only
301mm (11.9 in) including grille and terminals
Net weight 18.7kg (41.1 lb)
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Any SC models and Atmos does not impress me for my house I don't need it plus Bw's speakers separate very well.
What differs the SC range then in that regard to the VSX range? Specifically the VSX elite models?

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My room is about 14x20, I think. Also, I had CM9s S2 for few weeks till I exchanged them with CM10s. Thought lets get the best I could effort and few hundred dollars wont make much difference over the period of time...rather than regretting later. But frankly speaking, I was not able to hear much difference between CM9s and CM10s (not sure if this is because new changes in S2 series compare to S1s) and now I know think I should have just kept CM9s...since they are little smaller and aesthetically would have been more pleasing . But I think you won't go wrong with either CM9s or CM10s
I'll have to take the measurements for my room, but I think it's a little smaller. The reason I asked is because I'd like to get the CM10's, but I'm unsure as to whether that may be "too much" speaker or not. If I still want the look of the external tweeter though I have to skip down to the CM6's and I'm unsure on that.
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was checking specs on CM Centre-2 S2, noticed weight is listed at 41.0lbs? Could'nt be correct? Should'nt it be somewhere near 20lbs to 25lbs?

Specs from B&W web-site:
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Technical features Nautilus tube loaded Decoupled Double Dome aluminium tweeter
Kevlar® brand fibre FST midrange
Flowport™
Description 3-way vented-box system
Drive units 1x ø25mm (1 in) Decoupled Double Dome aluminium high-frequency
1x ø100mm (4 in) Kevlar® cone FST midrange
2x ø165mm (6.5 in) Paper/Kevlar® cone bass
Frequency range -6dB at 45Hz and 50kHz
Frequency response 50Hz - 28kHz ±3dB
Dispersion Within 2dB of reference response
Horizontal: over 60º arc
Vertical: over 10º arc
Sensitivity 89dB spl (2.83V, 1m)
Harmonic distortion 2nd and 3rd harmonics (90dB, 1m)
<1% 90Hz - 22kHz
<0.5% 120Hz - 20kHz
Nominal impedance 8Ω (minimum 3Ω)
Crossover frequencies 350Hz, 4kHz
Recommended amplifier power 30W - 200W into 8V on unclipped programme
Max. recommended cable impedance 0,1 Ω
Dimensions Height: 225mm (8.6 in)
Width: 590mm (23.2 in)
Depth: 285mm (11.2 in) cabinet only
301mm (11.9 in) including grille and terminals
Net weight 18.7kg (41.1 lb)
Finishes
Cabinet: Rosenut
Gloss Black
Satin White
Grille: Black
Grey (Satin White only)
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What differs the SC range then in that regard to the VSX range? Specifically the VSX elite models?



I'll have to take the measurements for my room, but I think it's a little smaller. The reason I asked is because I'd like to get the CM10's, but I'm unsure as to whether that may be "too much" speaker or not. If I still want the look of the external tweeter though I have to skip down to the CM6's and I'm unsure on that.
The SC have more power and 85 on up, plus has Atmos.
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I set everything back to small and played around with the channel level of the center...it helps a bit. Still not great, but better.
Do this as a quick test. swap your center speaker with one of your CM1s up front. Then, do your same listening tests and see if you hear this sound quality follow the center speaker or stay with the center speaker wires. Then, reset your speaker output levels back to even dbs (I'm guessing you bumped up the level of your center a db or 2?)

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