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post #19921 of 19938 Old 11-23-2014, 02:21 PM
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I just bought a pair of 804 Diamonds and an HTM-4 Diamond center. I currently have an Emotiva XPA-3 Generation 2 amplifier. Will I be doing these speakers a disservice by using this amp? I'm sure there better amps out there, but if I was looking to keep my budget under $2000 is there anything out there was will give me a noticeable improvement over the XPA-3?
With a Parasound you will not missing nothing, it's the best amp under its budget to me and better than rotel.
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Hi Richard,

FYI, the ports on new Series 2 CM and 600 products are identical.

Regarding the "button" (we refer to as an anti-resonance plug) we use them in both new series because it is very effective, as we found when developing the PM1. You can read more about the technology here. There are advantages and disadvantages to putting a port on the rear or front of a speaker. No free lunches.

Every room is a unique acoustical space, and how a speaker is maximally used in that space is as unique a solution as the room itself.

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Hello - I'm just a stereo-tot by modern standards. But I once owned some pretty good gear back in the 80s and still use some vintage equipment in the basement.

I recently purchased last year's 685s as well as 686s. I'm using a pair of 686's as a center channel - mostly because they probably sound as good as BWs traditional center channel - and can be re-used in a future configuration differently. I figure a pair of 686's laying "top-to-top" works as well as a HTM62. (maybe better)

Before I deployed these speakers - I gave them a good listen. Now that I realize the even B&W can't figure out where and how to port their various speakers - some to the front -some to the back - I have to conclude that it's up to each speaker owner to engineer the best sound they can from their own acoustical environs.

While it can be fun and entertaining to wax on about the qualities of each forum members sound machines and listening experiences, I find it amusing that the engineers of an award winning speaker company resort to changing the "button" on a driver - or the direction of an enclosure port to "improve" their products. (as in the new S2 series)

I guess the point of my comment is this - if professional engineers, that have studied problems relating sound reproduction, can make radical changes to their products from year to year - don't carry too many preconceived notions into your attempts to configure your own sound space.

Let your grin be your guide...........
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Patrick, I noticed the CM5 S2 no longer uses the Mundorf Supreme cap. Was there a particular reason for the change?
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I ended up purchasing the new FS-CM S2 stands in black for my CM5s. I am super impressed with the quality of these stands. They are beautiful and extremely well built. It's too bad I am using them for surrounds because they really do look good.

They have built in cable management and can be filled with sand. Don't think the previous version had this capability.
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We added some CM6s to the showroom. I spent a few minutes with them this morning and liked their tonal presentation. I need to tinker with the setup a bit to bring out a better soundstage. They look classy.
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I ended up purchasing the new FS-CM S2 stands in black for my CM5s. I am super impressed with the quality of these stands. They are beautiful and extremely well built. It's too bad I am using them for surrounds because they really do look good.

They have built in cable management and can be filled with sand. Don't think the previous version had this capability.
I am curious - are speaker stands critical enough in quality of build and improvement in placement/sound of speakers to justify paying 2/3 the cost of the pair of speakers brand new?

No offense to the poster, really, I am honestly curious on the matter.
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The short answer is yes. Unfortunately, they are best made out of metal and by the time you actually build a proper stand, it costs really money. Let me know if you want the longer answer.

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I am curious - are speaker stands critical enough in quality of build and improvement in placement/sound of speakers to justify paying 2/3 the cost of the pair of speakers brand new?

No offense to the poster, really, I am honestly curious on the matter.
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One of my friends is looking to buy B&W speakers from a local store. 50% music and 50% TV - Sports/Movies. This is for his living room 20 x 18 with 12' ceiling

I'm a klipsch guy and don't have lot of knowledge on B&W. Can you please comment on pricing and options for him


Tower Option 1 (Highest Model in B&W 600 Series) - http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/683.html
2 x 683bk
2 x 686bk
1x Htm62bk
$1926.00 before tax
$2084.90 after tax


​Tower Option 2 - http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/684.html
2 x 684bk
2 x 686bk
1 x htm62bk
$1688 before tax
$1827.26 after tax

Book shelf Option - http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/686.html
4 x 686bk
1 x htm62bk
1210 before tax
1309.83 with tax + $100 stands
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The short answer is yes. Unfortunately, they are best made out of metal and by the time you actually build a proper stand, it costs really money. Let me know if you want the longer answer.

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I also like the fact that you can actually bolt the CM5 down to the stand. The whole thing becomes very sturdy especially when filled up with sand.
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A Question for Patrick re 802 Diamonds.
I heard these at my local dealer and was impressed. My listening room is only 13 feet x 16 feet long, is this too small for them or will they be able to breathe in that space ?
Amps are Dvialet 400 , any observation on 802 Diamond with SAM?

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I have the opportunity to buy a pair of CM8's(series 1) display units in great shape for $1000


I am considering buying them and using them for rear surrounds instead of the CM5's( series 1)


I paid $800 for the pair of CM5's and I am in still in the return period


for $200 more..IMO...it seems like the better value


thoughts?


I could return the CM5's..or run 7.2 with them


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I have the opportunity to buy a pair of CM8's(series 1) display units in great shape for $1000


I am considering buying them and using them for rear surrounds instead of the CM5's( series 1)


I paid $800 for the pair of CM5's and I am in still in the return period


for $200 more..IMO...it seems like the better value


thoughts?


I could return the CM5's..or run 7.2 with them


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I'd keep the CM5. With the CM8, you'd be going down to a smaller midrange driver.
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I got to hear the new S2 CM9 and thought it was a brighter sounding speaker then my own S1 CM9s. It was at Best Buy, so perhaps the rest of the gear was not up to par. Can't recall what was powering them but I did think they sounded brighter and not necessarily better. I'd be curious to hear what you guys think of the new CM series. I also like the looks of the older CM line with the exposed hardware and the tweeter.
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One of my friends is looking to buy B&W speakers from a local store. 50% music and 50% TV - Sports/Movies. This is for his living room 20 x 18 with 12' ceiling

I'm a klipsch guy and don't have lot of knowledge on B&W. Can you please comment on pricing and options for him


Tower Option 1 (Highest Model in B&W 600 Series) - http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/683.html
2 x 683bk
2 x 686bk
1x Htm62bk
$1926.00 before tax
$2084.90 after tax


​Tower Option 2 - http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/684.html
2 x 684bk
2 x 686bk
1 x htm62bk
$1688 before tax
$1827.26 after tax

Book shelf Option - http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...eries/686.html
4 x 686bk
1 x htm62bk
1210 before tax
1309.83 with tax + $100 stands
anyone ?
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I got to hear the new S2 CM9 and thought it was a brighter sounding speaker then my own S1 CM9s. It was at Best Buy, so perhaps the rest of the gear was not up to par. Can't recall what was powering them but I did think they sounded brighter and not necessarily better. I'd be curious to hear what you guys think of the new CM series. I also like the looks of the older CM line with the exposed hardware and the tweeter.
Drew I went to the Design Center and listen to them with Marantz 7702 I was blown away with the soundfield.
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Option one use 685 for surrounds and center HTM-61S2.
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Hello, all I am new to AVS and this would be my first post on this thread. I recently acquired a pair of B and W CM1s for use as a purely 2.1 stereo system for my office. Currently I am running them with an old Onkyo HT R520 Receiver and the Sub that came with it. All things considered, I am pretty pleased with the results of the current setup, but I know I will eventually improve on the Sub. I am curious as to whether I would see any significant benefit in eventually upgrading the Receiver. I would be interested in hearing input from the group as to what type of receiver would best compliment the CM1s. I realize that to some extent things are subjective, but I have read in different places that the CM1 pair more optimally with some Receivers than others. My music source is a Mac Pro connected via digital optical, with output maxed at 24 bit/96kHz.

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Hello, all I am new to AVS and this would be my first post on this thread. I recently acquired a pair of B and W CM1s for use as a purely 2.1 stereo system for my office. Currently I am running them with an old Onkyo HT R520 Receiver and the Sub that came with it. All things considered, I am pretty pleased with the results of the current setup, but I know I will eventually improve on the Sub. I am curious as to whether I would see any significant benefit in eventually upgrading the Receiver. I would be interested in hearing input from the group as to what type of receiver would best compliment the CM1s. I realize that to some extent things are subjective, but I have read in different places that the CM1 pair more optimally with some Receivers than others. My music source is a Mac Pro connected via digital optical, with output maxed at 24 bit/96kHz.

Regards,

JMD

I think Marantz works nicely with CMs.
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