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post #20821 of 20841 Old 05-13-2015, 11:54 PM
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His advice was spot on. Listen to the 803D's. Such a difference from the 804's. They have the ability to give you amazing rock n roll and just as quickly change to Mahler or Miles Davis. The 804's are a step down from this ability. I have dual SVS SB13 ultras with my 803D's and you will not be disappointed. Jethro Tull or Grover Washington or ZZ Top. All worth the 803D's.

I have the TOTL 800 Di's but agree that the 803 Di's are great bang for buck and far more room friendly than the larger models, and I could easily live with them long term.

804 Di's are tuned slightly differently which gives them a slightly different mid-treble balance, which isn't a bad thing in some respects as it gives prospective buyers a choice of flavors. The 804's have a slight dip at 2kHz in the response - which is actually due to a slight variation in the crossover pcb. It's possible to remove the dip by installing the missing 'C2', a 10uF capacitor, but the overall balance might become a bit too forward in the upper mids without additional tuning so I suspect that's why it was omitted.
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CM9's are indeed pretty easy to drive, but you still should see some performance gains in going to a stronger amp. Will it sound like a different speaker?...probably not, however the biggest difference will be at very high listening levels where the speaker otherwise would start to compress with the AVR. I have a Parasound Halo A21 driving my CM9's. The biggest difference sound quality wise between it and the amps in my Pioneer Elite receiver is that the Halo sounds a little flatter in the upper bass region, and a little softer way up top. These differences are very slight though, so to justify the $2500 retail price of that piece of gear can be a tough call for a lot people (like my wife, for instance).


From your initial post though, I suspect that your dissatisfaction has more to do with your room, or perhaps your speakers, than your receiver or your amp. Your room and speakers, in that order, are going to have about a 90% influence on how your sound is presented. Fancy electronics can smooth a little here, boost or cut a little there, but the room and speakers have to be right.
My CM9s2's sound great in my bedroom with a old Acurus 200 x3 amp.

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My CM9s2's sound great in my bedroom with a old Acurus 200 x3 amp.


I enjoy mine very much as well.


My room sucks though, and since it is my family's main living area, there's only so much I can do about tuning it. Its 37.5 feet long, but only 12 feet wide, with mostly an 8 foot ceiling. The gear is oriented to fire towards the short width, so the speakers are too close to the back wall, and the ceiling reflections in particular as they bounce towards my 10 foot listening distance are nasty business. Good luck with that one.

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Hey guys what are you opinions on the 684 vs the 684 s2? For music.
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Hey guys what are you opinions on the 684 vs the 684 s2? For music.
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I hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday!

I snapped a picture of my setup and wanted to share it.
I love my setup but unfortunately the room is far from ideal.

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I hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday!

I snapped a picture of my setup and wanted to share it.
I love my setup but unfortunately the room is far from ideal.

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I don't think your room is all that bad. You have an area rug on the floor. It looks like you have a good amount of room for the front sound stage. Do a few diy acustic panels at the first reflective points and really enjoy. It is not that expensive at all.

Looks good
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Hey guys what are you opinions on the 684 vs the 684 s2? For music.
My opinion is to get 683 for music.
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My opinion is to get 683 for music.
The 683 S2, that is.

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B&W - CCM682 For Overhead Atmos Speakers

Hello Everyone,

I am in the process of upgrading my system to an Atmos configuration and am considering the CCM682s for the four overhead speakers. I will be powering these with 4 of the 5 channels from a Parasound A51 amp. I would like to hear thoughts about these or if there are any other suggestions.

I currently have the 802s and the HTM2 and will power each of these with Parasound JC1 amps.

I am planning on buying 4 805s for the surrounds and rears. These will be powered with the remaining channel of the A51 and a 3 channel A31 I already own.

I have a DB1 sub and am going to add a 2nd one.

These will all connect to a Marantz AV8802A and I also have a Parasound JC2 BP.

Lastly, any recommendations for XLR cables to connect everything?

I am somewhat of a beginner so appreciate the help.

Other gear I have is an Oppo BD-105 and Marantz SA-1163 CD player.

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Hello Everyone, I am in the process of upgrading my system to an Atmos configuration and am considering the CCM682s for the four overhead speakers. I will be powering these with 4 of the 5 channels from a Parasound A51 amp. I would like to hear thoughts about these or if there are any other suggestions.

I currently have the 802s and the HTM2 and will power each of these with Parasound JC1 amps. I am planning on buying 4 805s for the surrounds and rears. These will be powered with the remaining channel of the A51 and a 3 channel A31 I already own. I have a DB1 sub and am going to add a 2nd one. These will all connect to a Marantz AV8802A and I also have a Parasound JC2 BP.

Lastly, any recommendations for XLR cables to connect everything? I am somewhat of a beginner so appreciate the help. Other gear I have is an Oppo BD-105 and Marantz SA-1163 CD player. Thanks! KD
KD Sounds fantastic you will have a great amount of equipment hope the room is also acoustically treated!

I would suggest XLR cables from Belden, Canaree or Mogami pro-studio cables good quality and reasonable prices
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Thanks for the quick reply! The CCM682 spec sheet says maximum amplifier power 150w but the Parasound A51 is 250w per channel. Any issue there? Again, still kind of a beginner so appreciate the assistance. BTW I checked out your system. Wow!

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Thanks for the quick reply! The CCM682 spec sheet says maximum amplifier power 150w but the Parasound A51 is 250w per channel. Any issue there? Again, still kind of a beginner so appreciate the assistance. BTW I checked out your system. Wow!
It is never an issue to have more power the biggest issue is underpower
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It is never an issue to have more power the biggest issue is underpower

wse is %100 right.


Underpowered speakers is where most blown Tweeters come from since the Amp/AVR is no longer in control at a certain frequency due to a lack of power to make the driver to not come back after it was told (electronically for a specific frequency to go forward and past the point of no-return to come back).


When this happen, you get blown tweeters in speakers and sub that go out of it's excursion (bottom- out).


It is always better too have more power than you need, that not enough.


The movie "Aliens vs Predator" said it best "I rather have a condom and not need it, than need one and not have it".


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Thanks for the quick reply! The CCM682 spec sheet says maximum amplifier power 150w but the Parasound A51 is 250w per channel. Any issue there? Again, still kind of a beginner so appreciate the assistance. BTW I checked out your system. Wow!
I would venture off to even substitute those CCM682's to something equivalent in the CI700 range or even up it to the 800 series matching ones from the CI800 which are the CCM8.5. You seem to be having the amplifier power on hand. If budget permitting maybe start with two height channels and add the other ones later.

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I would venture off to even substitute those CCM682's to something equivalent in the CI700 range or even up it to the 800 series matching ones from the CI800 which are the CCM8.5. You seem to be having the amplifier power on hand. If budget permitting maybe start with two height channels and add the other ones later.

scanido - Thank you for the recommendation to consider the CCM8.5s. I haven't looked at those but will definitely check them out. I really appreciate it.

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I have a question for you guys. I'm putting up my 804 Diamonds up for sale. I have the original packaging for them. Do you think it would be safe to ship these without paletizing them and shipped out via freight. I mean, do you think the original packing materials are strong enough to withstand a 3 or 4 day trip with FedEx?
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I have a question for you guys. I'm putting up my 804 Diamonds up for sale. I have the original packaging for them. Do you think it would be safe to ship these without paletizing them and shipped out via freight. I mean, do you think the original packing materials are strong enough to withstand a 3 or 4 day trip with FedEx?
If you feel that packaging will allow to survive three 5' drops (common with FedEx/ups) then you can ship.
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I have a question for you guys. I'm putting up my 804 Diamonds up for sale. I have the original packaging for them. Do you think it would be safe to ship these without paletizing them and shipped out via freight. I mean, do you think the original packing materials are strong enough to withstand a 3 or 4 day trip with FedEx?
I would not try it!
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