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Has anyone compared B&W to PSA speakers?

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That's an odd comparison. It would matter just which B&W speaker line you'd be comparing, and what application to use them.

The Powersound Audio offerings are fine theater speakers for a darkened room, and perhaps best if behind an acoustically transparent screen unless you actually like flat black rectangular boxes. From your signature list, it appears this is exactly what you have for a home theater environment so go right ahead. It's good stuff for that and well supported. The money in those is in the drivers, crossovers and box construction, not in the finish.

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That's an odd comparison. It would matter just which B&W speaker line you'd be comparing, and what application to use them.

The Powersound Audio offerings are fine theater speakers for a darkened room, and perhaps best if behind an acoustically transparent screen unless you actually like flat black rectangular boxes. From your signature list, it appears this is exactly what you have for a home theater environment so go right ahead. It's good stuff for that and well supported. The money in those is in the drivers, crossovers and box construction, not in the finish.
I love my B&W Nautilus 805's and Htm2 center speakers but I was thinking of trying PSA and I was just curious if anyone has compared the 2. I would say I'm 50/50 movies and music.

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This is 100% HT, no music listening.
Currently I run my setup most for movies/tv, and maybe 5% music. The quality of the setup is just as important for movies as for music (maybe even more).

My setup:
Front: 2 * 803 D2
Center: HTM2 D2
Surround: 2 * 804 D2
Surrund-back: 2 * SCMS
Front-wide: 2 * 805 D2
Sub: 2 * DB1

Still looking for something useful to put on (not in) my concrete ceiling for atmos. I have listened to in-wall setups; not the same - I would go for external speakers any day.

Considering to replace front and center speakers with D3 (800 D3 or 802 D3 for front). But actually not sure if I will, the quality of my setup is one of the best I've heard (even when comparing to a lot more expensive setups). I've spent a lot of time tuning the room and setup (with multiple sound absorbing plates and bass-traps; and thick curtains (in front of windows) and thick carpet to reduce floor-reflections). Also running digital room-calibration on top of this.
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A question for long time B&W owners.
if you take a look at my signature you will see my set up My HT is a small room and the fronts speakers are at the long wall. My MLP is at 2,35m from the speakers. I consider it as a small distance from the 804D2. I read somewhere that those speakers do not need toeing unless in large room if they are far from the MLP.

Would you suggest to fire them straight forward or with a to toe in angle. My room is reasonnably (not heavily) treated (DIY).?

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/BD player Cambridge CXU/ set-top (cable box) rented from cable co.
Bis Audio cables and power bar from the wall to the receiver
My room:15'4" x 11' 6" x 7'6" tv near the center of the long side wall
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Thanks, I can not acces to used b&w in here. I see that you use 804d and CMC s2 , is the sound ok ?
I have 800D2 for sale
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Currently I run my setup most for movies/tv, and maybe 5% music. The quality of the setup is just as important for movies as for music (maybe even more).

My setup:
Front: 2 * 803 D2
Center: HTM2 D2
Surround: 2 * 804 D2
Surrund-back: 2 * SCMS
Front-wide: 2 * 805 D2
Sub: 2 * DB1

Still looking for something useful to put on (not in) my concrete ceiling for atmos. I have listened to in-wall setups; not the same - I would go for external speakers any day.

Considering to replace front and center speakers with D3 (800 D3 or 802 D3 for front). But actually not sure if I will, the quality of my setup is one of the best I've heard (even when comparing to a lot more expensive setups). I've spent a lot of time tuning the room and setup (with multiple sound absorbing plates and bass-traps; and thick curtains (in front of windows) and thick carpet to reduce floor-reflections). Also running digital room-calibration on top of this.
Nice set-up! What pre-pro do you use for wide?
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804D tweeters

Hello Lads,

How robust are the 804D tweeters? I've read quite a few posts of guys having to replacing their tweeters at 1000 bucks plus a piece.

Are they really that fragile? I like to listen to music at around 85db when I get the chance

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guys i need some help please!

CCM663 in-ceiling for 5.1 surround sound? Matched with CM9 S2 & CMC2 S2 or is there a better ceiling speaker?

Budget only allows for CCM663 max. House is being built is that matters (no retrofitting)

I keep reading comments of speakers with enclosures / back boxes being the only way to go such as Triad, PSB, Niles,
Speakercraft. B&W don't seem to do this unless it's their top end model. The negative being if it's not B&W is not timbre matched ..

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Hi leithm,

CCM663 will work great with your CM system. Back boxes are available for CCM663, and they will result in better performance and a higher price. Our CI700 and CI800 Series products all come with their own backboxes, as befits their higher price points.

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guys i need some help please!

CCM663 in-ceiling for 5.1 surround sound? Matched with CM9 S2 & CMC2 S2 or is there a better ceiling speaker?

Budget only allows for CCM663 max. House is being built is that matters (no retrofitting)

I keep reading comments of speakers with enclosures / back boxes being the only way to go such as Triad, PSB, Niles,
Speakercraft. B&W don't seem to do this unless it's their top end model. The negative being if it's not B&W is not timbre matched ..

many thanks
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How robust are they? Robust for playback (you'll not break the diamond dome playing music), but fragile around fingers. Play them as hard as you like, but don't touch the tweeter!

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Hello Lads,

How robust are the 804D tweeters? I've read quite a few posts of guys having to replacing their tweeters at 1000 bucks plus a piece.

Are they really that fragile? I like to listen to music at around 85db when I get the chance
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How robust are they? Robust for playback (you'll not break the diamond dome playing music), but fragile around fingers. Play them as hard as you like, but don't touch the tweeter!

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I appreciate the response !

So, since I'll be buying used, the only real risk of damage to the tweeter is on packing them up into their boxes and transporting I take it.

Also, the Speakers are only 2 years old and I'll have the receipt......but the Warranty won't apply will it?

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Yes, that is the only real risk. As for the warranty, think of it like a car. The warranty might cover your transmission, but it is not going to cover driving it into a concrete wall.

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I appreciate the response !

So, since I'll be buying used, the only real risk of damage to the tweeter is on packing them up into their boxes and transporting I take it.

Also, the Speakers are only 2 years old and I'll have the receipt......but the Warranty won't apply will it?
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Yes, that is the only real risk. As for the warranty, think of it like a car. The warranty might cover your transmission, but it is not going to cover driving it into a concrete wall.

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LOL....Sorry, I didn't mean for tweeter damage. I meant in general. Would the Warranty continue on for the last 3 years if I have the orig bill of sale ?

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Hi leithm,

CCM663 will work great with your CM system. Back boxes are available for CCM663, and they will result in better performance and a higher price. Our CI700 and CI800 Series products all come with their own backboxes, as befits their higher price points.

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Thanks, Patrick! Could you make an argument for the ccm684s as these are also within budget

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Unless you are buying a used product like a demonstration model from a dealer, the warranty is not transferrable. If you are buying from a private party, there is no warranty.

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LOL....Sorry, I didn't mean for tweeter damage. I meant in general. Would the Warranty continue on for the last 3 years if I have the orig bill of sale ?
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Hi leithm,

The CCM663 has better quality parts than the CCM684. The 8" driver equivalent to the CCM663 would be the CCM683. Both of those feature a better tweeter, kevlar instead of glass fiber, a cast basket, better x-over parts and a better motor. I would do the CCM663 if that is what you can afford.

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Thanks, Patrick! Could you make an argument for the ccm684s as these are also within budget

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Currently I run my setup most for movies/tv, and maybe 5% music. The quality of the setup is just as important for movies as for music (maybe even more).

My setup:
Front: 2 * 803 D2
Center: HTM2 D2
Surround: 2 * 804 D2
Surrund-back: 2 * SCMS
Front-wide: 2 * 805 D2
Sub: 2 * DB1

Still looking for something useful to put on (not in) my concrete ceiling for atmos. I have listened to in-wall setups; not the same - I would go for external speakers any day.

Considering to replace front and center speakers with D3 (800 D3 or 802 D3 for front). But actually not sure if I will, the quality of my setup is one of the best I've heard (even when comparing to a lot more expensive setups). I've spent a lot of time tuning the room and setup (with multiple sound absorbing plates and bass-traps; and thick curtains (in front of windows) and thick carpet to reduce floor-reflections). Also running digital room-calibration on top of this.
Hello

What is the minimum price for the 803 D2?

Send to portugal

thank you

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I was wondering how much difference it would make either Bi-Wiring or Bi-Amping my B&W speakers. Is it worth the extra money for either new cables or another AMP (Macintosh)? My system is in the sig line. I was thinking about only the front.

Thank you in advance for your help.

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I was wondering how much difference it would make either Bi-Wiring or Bi-Amping my B&W speakers. Is it worth the extra money for either new cables or another AMP (Macintosh)? My system is in the sig line. I was thinking about only the front.

Thank you in advance for your help.
Bi-wiring won't make any difference. Bi-amping might. What is it that you are dissatisfied with at the moment regarding SQ?

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Bi-wiring won't make any difference. Bi-amping might. What is it that you are dissatisfied with at the moment regarding SQ?
I turned up the volume and the speakers provided a better sound stage, which got me thinking that maybe the needed more power and if I bi-wired it would make it sound even better. Never tried it and had these speaker over 10 years.

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I turned up the volume and the speakers provided a better sound stage, which got me thinking that maybe the needed more power and if I bi-wired it would make it sound even better. Never tried it and had these speaker over 10 years.
From your signature it looks like you have some high quality gear. Bi-amping may improve low volume listening (like having a "loudness" control) but I wouldn't expect miracles. With the Marantz pre-amp you should be able to solve those low volume listening issues with EQ.

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Bi-amping may improve low volume listening (like having a "loudness" control) ..............
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