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Anybody? Any inputs? Thanks
I would look CM serie center used to match the front three. There is lot of opinions about this, but the safest bet would be to look the (bigger 3-way) CM center to go with the big CM10 towers.

Regarding the subwoofer there is no reason why you couldn`t buy some other brand subwoofer, usually it`s the most prefered route anyway. Depending where you live you can get great performance/price ratio from ID companies (SVS, HSU, PSA, Rythmik etc..). Your usage movies/music %, room size, budget and where you live, i would put a new thread at subwoofer section where you give as much information as possible about those i mentioned.
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Yeahh the Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 is $4,000. That's way out of my price range. There's got to be an amp out there but I could use for around $1,000 right?

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The Parasound Halo A23 is a killer amp and within your budget. I use one in my office 2 channel system with a pair of Sonus Faber stand mounts. Happy as a clam.

I also use it's big brother the A21 to drive my 802 D2's in my family room. The Halo line is great bang for the buck. Super solid amps.

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I'd like to hear some well thought out opinions, not "X is best", on using:

Rotel RB-1590 - 2ch http://www.rotel.com/product/rb-1590
Rotel RMB-1585 - 5ch http://www.rotel.com/product/rmb-1585

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Parasound Halo JC1 - Mono x2 http://www.parasound.com/jc1.php
Parasound Halo A51 - 5ch http://www.parasound.com/a51.php


vs

Classé CA-M600 - Mono x3 https://classeaudio.com/ca-m600/
Classé CA-2300 - 2ch https://classeaudio.com/ca-5300/


For a 802 D2 7.2 Home Theater:

Fronts: 802 D2
Center: HTM2
Surround Side: 804 D2
Surround Rear: 804 D2

I can get Rotel for nearly 1/3 of the price of Parasound, and I can get Parasound for 1/2 the price of Classé. (Classe 6x price of Rotel)


Patrick, do you have any unbiased thoughts x)?


I know it's said Rotel & Classé is supposed to be a good match with B&W in general, but what about Parasound?


I was told by a local dealer that Classé CA-M600 was going to be discontinued. Is that true? @Patrick Butler
For what it's worth, I use a Parasound A21 with my 802 D2's and don't think I'm lacking anything. Is there an amp out there that will sound better?...probably, but at that level you're paying a lot for exclusivity IMO. Parasound has all the right stuff while still being at a (relatively) mass market price point.

I have been underwhelmed with Rotel in the past, and have never tried Classe.

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Look at the frequency range and response of the 804 D3 speakers then look at the range and frequency response of The HTM2 D3 followed by the frequency range and response of the CM centre 2 S2 and you will see that they are not even close. Then you are comparing diamond tweeters ,Continuum cones and Aerofoil cones to Aluminum, Kevlar and paper. Totally different sound, you spent the money on the 800 series for your mains complement them with the correctly matched timbre center. Your system will end up being nice. Why not put the HTM2 on stand on the floor in front of the screen? What does your room look like and how are the speakers placed? maybe some pics will help?
I see your point, but disagree with your conclusion.

You're already giving up a lot of timbral matching by turning the thing on its side, mounting it differently, comb filtering and lobing characteristics will be different, etc. Thats true with ANY horizontally oriented center speaker, which is why so many guys prefer to run three identical speakers as LCR.

Now, room correction is pretty good nowadays and can counteract a lot of those difficulties. Indeed, it can also help blend timbral differences between not only speakers from different lines but also different brands even. In the context of a film, with good room correction, I think the CMC 2 S2 (which I have owned in the past) is a VERY capable speaker and will pair quite well with diamond mains.

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I'd like to hear some well thought out opinions, not "X is best", on using:

Rotel RB-1590 - 2ch http://www.rotel.com/product/rb-1590
Rotel RMB-1585 - 5ch http://www.rotel.com/product/rmb-1585

vs

Parasound Halo JC1 - Mono x2 http://www.parasound.com/jc1.php
Parasound Halo A51 - 5ch http://www.parasound.com/a51.php

vs

Classé CA-M600 - Mono x3 https://classeaudio.com/ca-m600/
Classé CA-2300 - 2ch https://classeaudio.com/ca-5300/


For a 802 D2 7.2 Home Theater:

Fronts: 802 D2
Center: HTM2
Surround Side: 804 D2
Surround Rear: 804 D2

I can get Rotel for nearly 1/3 of the price of Parasound, and I can get Parasound for 1/2 the price of Classé. (Classe 6x price of Rotel)


Patrick, do you have any unbiased thoughts x)?


I know it's said Rotel & Classé is supposed to be a good match with B&W in general, but what about Parasound?


I was told by a local dealer that Classé CA-M600 was going to be discontinued. Is that true? @Patrick Butler
in general, for practicality and quality, I would go with this 7.2 configuration:
Parasound A51
Parasound A21

You will be happy, period
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Here is my dilemma:

1 - Can get a used pair of CM10 (first series) for $1,850 locally. Good condition

2 - Brand new pair of CM6 S2 from a dealer at $1,700 plus tax. Obviously for these I would need to buy the matching stand separately for $500.

Which way do I go?

Bass not an issue since I have dual SVS SB-12 subs.
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Here is my dilemma:

1 - Can get a used pair of CM10 (first series) for $1,850 locally. Good condition

2 - Brand new pair of CM6 S2 from a dealer at $1,700 plus tax. Obviously for these I would need to buy the matching stand separately for $500.

Which way do I go?

Bass not an issue since I have dual SVS SB-12 subs.
That's a great deal on the CM10s. I guess your decision depends on the listening area and how far you are sitting back as well as listening habits. If you have a large room the CM10s are a no brainer. If you went with the CM6s it's not really necessary to get the matching stands. Decent stands are available for less than half the price.

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That's a great deal on the CM10s. I guess your decision depends on the listening area and how far you are sitting back as well as listening habits. If you have a large room the CM10s are a no brainer. If you went with the CM6s it's not really necessary to get the matching stands. Decent stands are available for less than half the price.
I've heard the cm6 but never owned them. I do own the s2 versions of the cm10s and love them dearly. My room is pretty large though and they do a great job. To my knowledge it's just design that changed slightly from s1 to s2 for the cm10s. I say it does depend on the room and what you're going to listen to.

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I've heard the cm6 but never owned them. I do own the s2 versions of the cm10s and love them dearly. My room is pretty large though and they do a great job. To my knowledge it's just design that changed slightly from s1 to s2 for the cm10s. I say it does depend on the room and what you're going to listen to.

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That's correct. The changes for the CM10 S2 were cosmetic to match the new CM S2 speakers. Fine speaker though. Had a pair before moving to the 804 D2s.

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Man, seeing discussion on the prices of the Classe and Bryston gear while I'm running my 803D2s on the $599 Outlaw Audio Model 5000, maybe I'm doing it wrong, lol.
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I recall there was a fantastic diamond room with 5 or 7 b&w800d in a room each flank by a subwoofer. Anybody got a link to those pictures?

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Ive decided to go with the CM10 s2 for my listening room. Any recommendations on dealers near the NYC area who will give me a good deal on the speakers. No one I call wants to deal. I don't want to buy from Magnolia but at least I can go to a 3.5% tax store in NJ, and get 10% reward zone.
Call up IQ home entertainment in Fairfax Va., they are a brick and mortar store that has a huge internet business. IQ is also a Bowers & Wilkins certified large volume dealer.
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So my 803D2s have some scuffs and scratches on them since they were demo models at the shop, would it be OK to use Old English Scratch Cover on them to try and cover some of them up? http://www.oldenglishpolish.com/sf2_scratch.shtml
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Call up IQ home entertainment in Fairfax Va., they are a brick and mortar store that has a huge internet business. IQ is also a Bowers & Wilkins certified large volume dealer.
I second this! I am in the area and very close to their shop. Unlike Magnolia @ Best Buy, IQ is able to make some pretty sweet deals. Ask for James Fisher.
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So I picked up he CM10s today locally (S1). Immaculate condition. I paid $1,800 cash. Very nice guy who helped me with packing them in he original boxes and load them up in my truck.

Sweet sounding speakers. By far the best I have ever had. I am not even sure I still need my dual SVS SB-12 subwoofers. Maybe I'll sell them. The CM10s have good bass. Or maybe I keep the SVSs, and just set their crossovers to 40 kHz. Does anybody have a graph showing the lower frequency the CM10s start to roll off?
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So my 803D2s have some scuffs and scratches on them since they were demo models at the shop, would it be OK to use Old English Scratch Cover on them to try and cover some of them up? http://www.oldenglishpolish.com/sf2_scratch.shtml


Old English could add a darker color to the veneers. I'd try some pledge with orange oil first and see how that works before the old English. worst case your out $8.
It you use old English try it in an inconspicuous area.


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Old English could add a darker color to the veneers. I'd try some pledge with orange oil first and see how that works before the old English. worst case your out $8.
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Old English does have multiple color options, I would think if I went with the lightest it would be ok, but my speakers are cherry which is the lightest veneer they had, so it definitely could darken it.
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I'm considering buying a 5.1 system layer this year. I have in wall wiring and can't add or them.

Fronts: 804d3 towers
Center: htm2 d3
Rears:?
Sub: budget $1000
Reciever: marantz sr6012? Sr7012?

I'd love to get the 805d3 bookshelves for rears but they are not in my price range and I need to ceiling mount whatever rears I get.

Also, I was thinking the 6012 or the 7012 by marabtz because they have 185watts and 200 watts per channel.

I was considering the cm6s2 bookshelves for the rears, but they only take 120watts.

1. Can I drive these speakers with these recievers? What about the max 120 watts for the bookshelves?

2. Will the cm6s2 bookshelves sound OK as rears?

3. Can I ceiling mount the cm6s2 bookshelves?

I am trying stay within $15k totally without tax. Any recommendations would help a lot.

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Old English does have multiple color options, I would think if I went with the lightest it would be ok, but my speakers are cherry which is the lightest veneer they had, so it definitely could darken it.
Try Old English lemon oil first. That works good with light colored veneers.

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Try Old English lemon oil first. That works good with light colored veneers.
Thanks!

To go with this, the grilles lost some of their magnets and left some sticky residue from the double sided tape that is used to hold the magnets in, what can I use to safely remove the stickum, I don't want to damage the veneer or anything else.
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So I picked up he CM10s today locally (S1). Immaculate condition. I paid $1,800 cash. Very nice guy who helped me with packing them in he original boxes and load them up in my truck.

Sweet sounding speakers. By far the best I have ever had. I am not even sure I still need my dual SVS SB-12 subwoofers. Maybe I'll sell them. The CM10s have good bass. Or maybe I keep the SVSs, and just set their crossovers to 40 kHz. Does anybody have a graph showing the lower frequency the CM10s start to roll off?
The CM10 is rated at 45 Hz (+/- 3 dB) so I would definitely keep the subwoofers.
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Thanks!

To go with this, the grilles lost some of their magnets and left some sticky residue from the double sided tape that is used to hold the magnets in, what can I use to safely remove the stickum, I don't want to damage the veneer or anything else.
Goo Gone. Works really well and safe on anything.
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Goo Gone. Works really well and safe on anything.
That's what I was thinking but wasn't 100% sure it would be safe.
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That's what I was thinking but wasn't 100% sure it would be safe.
Just to be sure before you go at it, test a small spot on the back or bottom of a speaker. Get some Goo-B-Gone onto a small cloth and rub it into the finish. Wait 15 minutes or until you're sure it's soaked in long enough and wipe it clean. Check the finish for a dull spot, make a decision then.

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Old English does have multiple color options, I would think if I went with the lightest it would be ok, but my speakers are cherry which is the lightest veneer they had, so it definitely could darken it.


I'm glad my 802 D2's came into my home already pre loved with a couple big scuffs. That way I dont have to ruin my kids when toys bounce off of them.
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New owner of a pair of 685's and I am loving the way these speakers image. Are there any owners on here of the CT 8.2 LCRs? I was wondering how they sound and if they are worth the higher price.


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The CM10 is rated at 45 Hz (+/- 3 dB) so I would definitely keep the subwoofers.
Thanks! Will keep the two subwoofers.

I searched the B&W website and came up with nothing (no graphs found) in terms of at what frequency the CM10s start to roll off at lower end. Any idea? My presumption is that although they can go as low as 45 Hz, they probably start to roll off at higher frequencies.
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45 Hz is the -3 dB point; it will slope gradually down to that point from perhaps 90 Hz or so (octave above). You can search for reviews with graphs, but my rule of thumb is to cross over at least one-half if not a full octave above the -3 dB LF corner. Since the 80 Hz THX standard crossover is in that range, that's what I would use.

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45 Hz is the -3 dB point; it will slope gradually down to that point from perhaps 90 Hz or so (octave above). You can search for reviews with graphs, but my rule of thumb is to cross over at least one-half if not a full octave above the -3 dB LF corner. Since the 80 Hz THX standard crossover is in that range, that's what I would use.

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Thanks!

However, I received a completely different response from B&W just a few moments ago, after I had reached out to them with the same question. Copy / paste:

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The frequency response of the CM10 is 45Hz - 28kHz ±3dB on reference axis. The more gradual the roll off is, the lower the frequency should be set. The CM10 speakers have a gradual roll off, so the frequency should be set anywhere between 27Hz and 40Hz.

It's not an exact science, but multiplying the lowest frequency(45Hz), by 0.6 and 0.9 will give you an idea of where the frequency should be set.
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