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post #1141 of 1157 Old 04-29-2015, 04:04 PM
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Mark, I've meant to ask: how familiar are you with the classic Thiel "coherent source" speakers?

I'm wondering because, while an assessment of the new Thiels in of itself - whether they sound any good - may be interesting, the big story is new Thiel's break from the engineering principles of the past, so a sense of what was gained or lost in performance with the new designs would be of interest.
Not enough, so I'm going to see if I can audition a pair of legacy Thiels in the next 48 hours or so, using some of the same audio tracks I'm featuring in the TT1 review.

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That's nice to hear Mark. That is certainly a game attempt to be thorough. Given all but 2 of the coherent source models are discontinued, that's no easy feat.

BTW, something that really galls me is that even though they still offer a legacy coherent source product like the CS2.7, all mention of the phase/time "coherent source" design has been removed:

http://www.thielaudio.com/Speakers/Hi-Fi/CS2.7

The very goal of the speaker of time/phase/frequency coherence left out of the description! So of course it doesn't compete with the new non-coherent models ("Wait, if time/phase coherence is so important a goal in this legacy model, why aren't I getting it in the new models?")

Sigh.

(Still, as I've mentioned, they have some really good people left working for them, a pleasure to deal with).
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That's nice to hear Mark. That is certainly a game attempt to be thorough. Given all but 2 of the coherent source models are discontinued, that's no easy feat.

BTW, something that really galls me is that even though they still offer a legacy coherent source product like the CS2.7, all mention of the phase/time "coherent source" design has been removed:

http://www.thielaudio.com/Speakers/Hi-Fi/CS2.7

The very goal of the speaker of time/phase/frequency coherence left out of the description! So of course it doesn't compete with the new non-coherent models ("Wait, if time/phase coherence is so important a goal in this legacy model, why aren't I getting it in the new models?")

Sigh.

(Still, as I've mentioned, they have some really good people left working for them, a pleasure to deal with).
Fortunately, I live in Philly. It puts me smack in the middle of a high concentration of audio (including Thiel) dealers. I'll pull it off—hopefully.

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Fortunately, I live in Philly. It puts me smack in the middle of a high concentration of audio (including Thiel) dealers. I'll pull it off—hopefully.
David Lewis Audio might be your best choice.
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Rich wrote: "The first observation is: these speakers are NOT bright. They are just super clear and incredibly smooth, as in low of hash and distortion. This actually makes them much less fatiguing to listen to than many other speakers."

I have a large room (16 x 24 x 12) and you've just described the sound of my 2.7s (however, mine are driven by a Bryston 4BssT2)

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Thiels where never harsh or bright. The older models were considered bright by some but that's was due to the electronics used upstream or a very bad recording.
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David Lewis Audio might be your best choice.
Yup, agreed. I left a voice mail and sent an email. I want to get it done today or tomorrow.

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When I checked the dealer list on the Thiel Web Site I looked up NH and they still listed Fidelis as a dealer. They dropped the line a year ago. I wonder how accurate their dealer list is.
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When I checked the dealer list on the Thiel Web Site I looked up NH and they still listed Fidelis as a dealer. They dropped the line a year ago. I wonder how accurate their dealer list is.
Alas, David Lewis Audio has no Thiel product. It may not be possible to make that comparison in a timely fashion, that store was my best bet. I'll ask Thiel about currently-active dealers in my area.

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it's interesting they would send AVS (unless imagic a freelancer and write for others?) a pr of their new speakers for review. so that means they are aware of AVSforum and probably this thread....maybe they are trying to put an end to all our doubt, what's better than getting a good review from AVS, right? Ballsy, hope it doesn't backfire. oh Hi Thiel management!
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Woonder if it is going to be similar to the PSB sound being designer Mark Mason came from there.
There are some common elements between the Imagine X2T towers I have in for review, the SVS Prime towers I already reviewed, and the TT1s.

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David Lewis Audio might be your best choice.
I just asked about doing a comparison to the CS1.7 (which the TT1 replaces) and Thiel offered to send me a pair. I'm considering following-up my review of the TT1s with that, but making it a separate piece.

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When I checked the dealer list on the Thiel Web Site I looked up NH and they still listed Fidelis as a dealer. They dropped the line a year ago. I wonder how accurate their dealer list is.
The dealer list is in flux. Thiel suggest contacting them directly for now.

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it's interesting they would send AVS (unless imagic a freelancer and write for others?) a pr of their new speakers for review. so that means they are aware of AVSforum and probably this thread....maybe they are trying to put an end to all our doubt, what's better than getting a good review from AVS, right? Ballsy, hope it doesn't backfire. oh Hi Thiel management!
I write about AV for AVS exclusively, I am not a freelancer. The company is aware of AVS Forum, yes.

The design of the TT1 appears to come from Mark Mason's influence—he of PSB fame who also spent the last few years with SVS. If you look at the SVS Prime tower, it's a bit like a budget version of the TT1. SVS used Peerless woofers instead of Scanspeak, flat-sided cabinets instead of curved, but there are also a lot of features in common. I don't think it's a spoiler to mention that the TT1 outperforms the Prime Tower, which itself is a very good speaker.

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I used PSB speakers for many years for my work monitors (and for music occasionally). They are certainly competently designed speakers.
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I'm sure the new Thiels will sound very good. But it looks like they are going to have to build their customer base up from scratch. Loyal Thiel owners that are fans of the Jim Thiel house sound are very unlikely to convert. I'm also sure a lot of stores left their dealership base. But I wish them success and hopefully they can rebuild the name and find a new niche in the industry.
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I just asked about doing a comparison to the CS1.7 (which the TT1 replaces) and Thiel offered to send me a pair. I'm considering following-up my review of the TT1s with that, but making it a separate piece.
As a reader I'd be interested in that comparison as a separate piece. I don't see any reason to make it a rushed comparison, if that's what it would amount to now.

(Not telling you what to do, just giving reader feedback).
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I look forward to the review but unfortunately it doesn't matter how good the speakers sound as not one dealer I've spoken to will touch them. They all knew Jim Thiel personally and respected him so much that they despise what the accountants have done to the company. Call it stubborn but most hi-end audio dealers, at least around these parts, are eccentric, opinionated and call the shots.

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I look forward to the review but unfortunately it doesn't matter how good the speakers sound as not one dealer I've spoken to will touch them. They all knew Jim Thiel personally and respected him so much that they despise what the accountants have done to the company. Call it stubborn but most hi-end audio dealers, at least around these parts, are eccentric, opinionated and call the shots.
The TT1 is not directly aimed at that "strictly audiophile" crowd anyhow.

Also, the local high-end shop I contacted was not too helpful; it took two phone calls and an email to get a one-sentence reply "Sorry Mark. I have no Thiel products left in stock." And when I thanked 'em and asked about visiting the showroom anyhow, I got no reply at all. Way to go, high-end shop. It reminds me why I have not gone into one of those stores for over a decade.

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The TT1 is not directly aimed at that "strictly audiophile" crowd anyhow.

Also, the local high-end shop I contacted was not too helpful; it took two phone calls and an email to get a one-sentence reply "Sorry Mark. I have no Thiel products left in stock." And when I thanked 'em and asked about visiting the showroom anyhow, I got no reply at all. Way to go, high-end shop. It reminds me why I have not gone into one of those stores for over a decade.
That's too bad.

Over many years I've experienced some excellent audio dealers, a lot of eccentrics, and some classically bad treatment.
One famous audio store in New York (this was years ago) was well known to be snobby to anyone who didn't look like they were full of money, or to young people. And that's exactly the vibe I encountered, almost visible snearing, and asking to hear anything was waved off and excuses were made.

The worst example was actually a high end store in Toronto, which had a similar reputation. I brought my brother-in-law in to the store to shop for some high end speakers. He was in to high end sound, and also happened to be a self-made multimillionaire (he lived in Tokyo at the time and was visiting me). He had been interested in meridian speakers or sonus fabor. They had exactly the speakers he wanted to hear in one demo room. But when we asked to hear them the salespeople were dismissive.
They took a look at this guy in jeans and just said, "sorry, it's not set up." My BIL was like "What do you mean, we can see it's all set up right here." They salesman, using his "look, don't you get the hint" scowl said "the CD player isn't hooked up." (The CD player was sitting right there in the rack - if it wasn't hooked up, all it needed was the interconnects to be attached). I told him, look, my BIL was in from Tokyo, and he didn't have access there to hear these speakers, which is why we'd just made a long drive to this high end store. Can we just audition the speakers?

The salesguy just shook his head and told us to go to another store.

We left incredibly incensed, disgusted. And my BIL went right to another High End store and dropped many thousands of dollars on high end speakers there, Meridian sources, and Krell amplification. Boy did that idiot store miss out!

I mentioned the story to a friend who was writing for a well known Canadian high end audio magazine at the time, and he was so enraged he wrote a story about it. The high end store naturally saw the story and apparently the salespeople who screwed up, offending and sending away a rich person who would have spent lots of money there, got a dressing down. The next time I showed up I was certainly treated much better. (And hopefully they learned the lesson of not judging books by their cover).
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As a reader I'd be interested in that comparison as a separate piece. I don't see any reason to make it a rushed comparison, if that's what it would amount to now.

(Not telling you what to do, just giving reader feedback).
OK, now that has to happen is members need to ask for that follow-up with the CS1.7 comparison! If there's enough support, I'll get to keep the TT1s around for a little while longer, which I would not mind at all. Thiel TT1 Tower Speakers Official AVS Forum Review

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