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Thanks, Fr. John. I wouldn't have guessed they are metric. Did they improve the sound at all?
I doubt it as I have my speakers sitting on hard surface anyhow.

They do however make it way easier to move around.

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So I just bought a pair of Canton GLE 436 bookshelves from amazon warehouse for $190 like-new. They arrive next week. Super excited.

I also noticed amazon had these: https://www.amazon.com/Canton-03369-.../dp/B00ZCZJZ6S

Why are they selling the 476 for $300 under retail as seen here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CEXNLLQ...RJKH41ZWEYJ4GD

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So I just bought a pair of Canton GLE 436 bookshelves from amazon warehouse for $190 like-new. They arrive next week. Super excited.

I also noticed amazon had these: https://www.amazon.com/Canton-03369-.../dp/B00ZCZJZ6S

Why are they selling the 476 for $300 under retail as seen here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CEXNLLQ...RJKH41ZWEYJ4GD

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Nice choice! Canton isn't very wellknow over there I see but they are great speakers! Very much details and crisp! I own 490 (496 are the newer version) and 420 as surrounds. Very satisfide with them!

I live in Sweden so I can buy them cheap. 3990 swedish kronor. Around 460 usd for a pair of 490. Check and see if you can buy them from here. www.netonnet.se or something like that ☺
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So I just bought a pair of Canton GLE 436 bookshelves from amazon warehouse for $190 like-new. They arrive next week. Super excited.

I also noticed amazon had these: https://www.amazon.com/Canton-03369-.../dp/B00ZCZJZ6S

Why are they selling the 476 for $300 under retail as seen here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CEXNLLQ...RJKH41ZWEYJ4GD

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I'd say the cheaper price looks about right for a single speaker, the higher price should be a pair of speakers. The odd thing with these amazon offers is they come from amazon directly and neither of the two gets all the details right in product data. So you gotta ask amazon why they screwed it up so badly...
check for reasonable pricing in Europe first to find out about real retail prices, e.g. http://skinflint.co.uk/?fs=canton+GLE+436&in= (these have VAT included - roughly 20% in UK/DE/AT)
btw your new bookshelves need a sub-woofer to shine below 100Hz
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Hi Miney, Welcome to the club.

I'm running my Karats on a Marantz SR-8001 which is a very warm sounding receiver.

Curiosity has me wondering what other Canton owners are using to drive their speakers?



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Using the RX-1052 to power Ergo 1002DCs. Love the combo! Not at all fatiguing, as some others have found with bookshelf models.
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I picked up a set of Canton Fonum 701s today on CraigsList (got them at a good price) ... and just have a couple of questions about them.

They are listed at 4-8 ohms (normal Canton labeling). They work fine with my Denon so far, but okay to assume I'll be fine since my Denon normally recommends no less than 6 ohms? I don't go crazy blasting my speakers anyway.

Positioning won't matter with these much, will they, since they are front ported?

And how good (or bad) is this model considered when compared to most Cantons? Sort of mid-level Canton? I think it was a late 90s model, and expensive at the time, but haven't found many reviews on them in english. They sound good to my ears though, but I'm an audio pauper ... most of the speakers I have owned so far hasn't exactly been high end stuff.

Woofers look intact, rubber looks good, no rips,no dry rot, so should be good there. If there is anything else I should check on these, let me know.

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... but okay to assume I'll be fine since my Denon normally recommends no less than 6 ohms? I don't go crazy blasting my speakers anyway.
Positioning won't matter with these much, will they, s...?
...And how good (or bad) is this model considered when compared to most Cantons? ...
Cantons behave like typical 6 Ohms, hence they r showing 4-8Ohms loads just as specified.
Positioning is same as with all other floor standers, just try what works best in your room.
The Fonum was positioned below Ergo series, just as GLE today. Cheaper housing just maybe sometimes a not as good x-over board, but same tech in general. Go hifi-wiki.de for more details.
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Cantons behave like typical 6 Ohms, hence they r showing 4-8Ohms loads just as specified.
Positioning is same as with all other floor standers, just try what works best in your room.
The Fonum was positioned below Ergo series, just as GLE today. Cheaper housing just maybe sometimes a not as good x-over board, but same tech in general. Go hifi-wiki.de for more details.
Thanks for the info. So I should be good as far as the receiver goes.

I started testing them a bit more and ran into an issue with higher pitched sounds/smoothness (mentioned this in a diagnosing problem post here). I didn't notice it at first, but for music that isn't bass-heavy, some of the higher pitched sounds come across as a bit rough/less smooth than they should be ... it's weird.

Not sure if it's normal for this model or something isn't working right.
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Thanks for the info. So I should be good as far as the receiver goes.

I started testing them a bit more and ran into an issue with higher pitched sounds/smoothness (mentioned this in a diagnosing problem post here). I didn't notice it at first, but for music that isn't bass-heavy, some of the higher pitched sounds come across as a bit rough/less smooth than they should be ... it's weird.

Not sure if it's normal for this model or something isn't working right.
I am not sure if the Fonums use the same tweeters as the Ergos; but my Ergos do not sound harsh at all. I have listened to music for 10 hours without fatigue. But they do reveal everything in the source - the good and the bad. Before you convict the Cantons of being the weak link, try a different CD player (or whatever) if you can borrow one. Also, if they are like the Ergos, you won't hear the best of the tweeters if they are pointed directly at your listening position. Canton recommends no more than 15 degrees of toe-in as the tweeters are designed to sound best slightly off axis. So positioning is important; just different than most speakers.

Hope you come to love your Cantons!
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I am not sure if the Fonums use the same tweeters as the Ergos; but my Ergos do not sound harsh at all. I have listened to music for 10 hours without fatigue. But they do reveal everything in the source - the good and the bad. Before you convict the Cantons of being the weak link, try a different CD player (or whatever) if you can borrow one. Also, if they are like the Ergos, you won't hear the best of the tweeters if they are pointed directly at your listening position. Canton recommends no more than 15 degrees of toe-in as the tweeters are designed to sound best slightly off axis. So positioning is important; just different than most speakers.

Hope you come to love your Cantons!

Thanks for the reply.

I figured out the problem with the help of some others in this forum ... the problem was the woofer on one of the speakers (the one right above the tweeter). It sort of sounded shaky, almost rattling or rough. I noticed if I simply touched the woofer, the problem went away.

Opened it up, and noticed the foam behind that woofer was a bit further back in the case than I would think normal. So I pulled the foam up closer to where the woofer normally goes, carefully put the wire in the center so it wouldn't touch the sides -- and all seems good. Nice and smooth.

I do notice however that yeah, the tweeters will sort of fully reveal the source. It's much more detailed than speakers I normally use. But overall, I think they sound great. Much, much better than the speakers I have used before.

I played a little with toe-in, but couldn't decide if I liked it better, so put them both even again.

Some quick questions:

Do you think I need a sub with these? I may need one for my center/backs, but these seem to get pretty low.

And what center would you recommend? Ideally one that doesn't cost a fortune ... been getting my speakers from craigslist, so I can keep an eye out for any cantons listed.
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Someone local to me has a Canton AV 700 center for sale... would that be an okay-ish match for my Fonums?

I might also be able to pick up a pair of Nestor 303s, which, again, a good match, or no?

I previously tried a CD 50 as a center, but that was too dinky sounding in comparison.
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Someone local to me has a Canton AV 700 center for sale... would that be an okay-ish match for my Fonums?
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I previously tried a CD 50 as a center, but that was too dinky sounding in comparison.
The AV700 is a much better center speaker compared to a CD series. The CD series is more about looks tryin to match certain AV gear for little money. The AV700 should match the Fonums with similar quality, voice is very clear, but sized for rooms not too big. Bass is weak so you should route sub 100Hz to a sub woofer or the fronts - e.g. it's not a "wide" center speaker in Dolby Surround terms....
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The AV700 is a much better center speaker compared to a CD series. The CD series is more about looks tryin to match certain AV gear for little money. The AV700 should match the Fonums with similar quality, voice is very clear, but sized for rooms not too big. Bass is weak so you should route sub 100Hz to a sub woofer or the fronts - e.g. it's not a "wide" center speaker in Dolby Surround terms....
Thanks for the reply.

Although the AV700 sort of looks just like a CD50 (and later CD series), it is a little fatter ... but it's not like one of the GLE/Ergo centers. I wasn't sure if it'd be closer to the CDs in sound, or Fonum. The CD50 I currently have has a bit of a 'tin can' effect ... not exactly a full sound.

As for bass, I think the AV 700 is rated down to 40ish ... misleading specs? Right now I'm sort of sub-less (or to be exact, lacking in a powered sub), but eventually plan to get some sort of proper sub.

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Hi Miney, Welcome to the club.

I'm running my Karats on a Marantz SR-8001 which is a very warm sounding receiver.

Curiosity has me wondering what other Canton owners are using to drive their speakers?



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I know this is an old post; but I am running Ergo 1002DCs off a RX-1052. So sweet!
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Does anyone have any experience with Karat M 10 or Karat 20? What is the difference between the M and non M lines. Even the dimensions of these two models would help.
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where to find info about old Cantons

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Does anyone have any experience with Karat M 10 or Karat 20? What is the difference between the M and non M lines. Even the dimensions of these two models would help.
For a quick reference always look here first: http://www.hifi-wiki.de/index.php/Canton_Lautsprecher
For models after Y2k you should find reviews/pics via google search - be prepared to use translate.google for German pages, i prefer to search for pics as you usually find articles or reviews better that way.---
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Quick question in regard to centers... anyone here own the GLE 456 center and if so, what is your opinion? Do you think it'd match well with a pair of fonum towers?

Currently using an AV 700.2, which is okay, but a bit small-ish in sound.

I realize the GLE would unlikely be a timbre match, but neither is my AV 700.
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Quick question in regard to centers... anyone here own the GLE 456 center and if so, what is your opinion? Do you think it'd match well with a pair of fonum towers?

Currently using an AV 700.2, which is okay, but a bit small-ish in sound.

I realize the GLE would unlikely be a timbre match, but neither is my AV 700.
I have the GLE-serie with 455 (456 are the newer one) and I am very happy. Clear, detail, dynamic and realistic sound. Using it most of the time for movies and it works great! Also with music. Recommend it.

I can't say how well they match. But I can say that I have GLE and Canton Inceiling 465 and they work really good together.
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I have the GLE-serie with 455 (456 are the newer one) and I am very happy. Clear, detail, dynamic and realistic sound. Using it most of the time for movies and it works great! Also with music. Recommend it.

I can't say how well they match. But I can say that I have GLE and Canton Inceiling 465 and they work really good together.
Thanks for the reply. I just ordered a 456 and it's heading my way, so will see how I like it by next week.

According to Canton, it's not a bad match for my Fonums (Fonums were simply the predecessors to the GLEs ... although tweeter differences might be an issue I guess) ... but I figure it'll match better than the AV 700 I am currently using.

By the way, customer service at Canton is pretty awesome. I just had some general questions about the speaker, and got an email reply super quick (next day), and even a followup question was answered the next day.
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Canton chrono sl 590 DC with a sl555 center here.

Quite happy with the speakers. Nice bass and highs. And the looks are also great. Top finished product.

But thinking about change. Leaning towards B&W CM10. Or Monitor Audio Gold.

Always difficult. You know what you have and not what you get. Store demos are way different in home situations.

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...But thinking about change. Leaning towards B&W CM10. Or Monitor Audio Gold. ....
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don't do it. You'd have to change your avatar pic
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Reference 5 DC

I've had my eye on Canton speakers for awhile and just ordered a pair from Amazon (see link). I'm a fan of German cars, so I figure why not German speakers too. It would seem to be an amazing price for new speakers of this quality but for the fact that these are actually new "old" speakers. I believe the Vento Reference DC line came out in 2008. I was hesitant to place the order even at the discounted price due to the possibility that the rubber surrounds may have deteriorated.


What are the chances that these speakers will actually respond like new speakers ? Are there any tell tale signs that surrounds have gone bad ? Amazon does have a 30 day full refund policy, so I am covered if something is amiss... just not sure how I will know having never listened to these speakers or even a similar Canton speaker.


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.... I was hesitant to place the order even at the discounted price due to the possibility that the rubber surrounds may have deteriorated....
i havn't seen a rather modern driver yet that was broken because of its age, i saw some examples years ago from the 70s/80s but i would put that in combination with the typical utilization in those times
The price is a steal IMHO, if you have the time to give it a try you shouldn't wait...
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The Vento serie is fantastic! You should go for it. I'm saving some money to buy myself.

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i havn't seen a rather modern driver yet that was broken because of its age, i saw some examples years ago from the 70s/80s but i would put that in combination with the typical utilization in those times
The price is a steal IMHO, if you have the time to give it a try you shouldn't wait...
Agree... it was not too unusual for rubber surrounds to deteriorate quickly back in the 70's. You only need to look at modern tire compounding to see how far rubber tech has advanced. However, lack of use is still the worst thing for the life of most rubber compounds.
I did just get confirmation from Canton that Amazon is an authorized retailer and the speakers will be fully warranted... so that is peace of mind.
I plan to just be a little cautious and break them in gently.

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These are not just the Ventos but the Vento Reference. I think there is about a 2X price difference. It was a good deal even at Amazon's original price given the Mfr retail was $5000 each. Amazon is also giving a $100 credit for purchases in their Premium Audio store.

I see someone else has discovered and jumped on the deal. Amazon had 11 in stock and now down to 7. It is a terrific deal but North America is just not too familiar with Canton.

Will let everyone know what I think once I have them set up.

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Just reporting back on the Vento Reference 5 DC speakers. I have not had a chance to listen to them yet but I have been able to confirm that the speakers were manufactured in 2015, not prior to 2010 as I expected. So I am pleasantly surprised. Seems Canton continued to build this series of speaker for about 10 years, ending in summer of 2015. It's odd because they have obviously been superseded now by two other series... the Vento Reference .2 and the current Reference K. I guess the speaker industry does not work like the auto industry.

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