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post #1981 of 2337 Old 08-10-2010, 01:13 AM
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Hello Group,

I have a set of two Infinity IL40's tower speakers in my home theater set up. As well as a Beta C360 as my center channel, and two C255ES for surrounds.

I received the IL40's about 5 years ago from a friend who worked for Infinity. I was new to the game and really just wanted some quality home theater speakers. After doing some research I realized that for its time these speakers were pretty amazing, and after years of listening to them I am happy with them.

I noticed a pair of used IL40's on ebay for $499. I just read on the Primus forum you can get a pair of 362's new for under 400. I guess this shows the IL's hold their value. Does it also mean that the IL's are a superior speaker than the current Primus line?

I think if I wanted to upgrade the IL40's I should look for Beta 50's tower speakers right?

Or should I not even bother trying to upgrade the IL40's?

Thank you very much for your expertise.
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Keep the IL40s - moving to Beta 50s would be a sideways move at best.

I also have a pair of IL40s - I doubt I'll ever sell them. As you noted they are great sounding speakers. They reside in the bedroom now in a 2 channel setup driven by a HK 3390.

Forget about the Primus as a replacement of the IL40s - not nearly as good a speaker.

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Thanks for your advice!
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I did a search inside of AVS Forum and could not find what the difference is between the two speaker lines. Both use the CMMD drivers and sometimes in different forms or sometimes there is an overlap - cone versus rectangular array (but not always). For example, is the Beta 360 equivalent to a Cascade 3 C?
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I did a search inside of AVS Forum and could not find what the difference is between the two speaker lines. Both use the CMMD drivers and sometimes in different forms or sometimes there is an overlap - cone versus rectangular array (but not always). For example, is the Beta 360 equivalent to a Cascade 3 C?

Other than using the same tweeters (CMMD 1") they have different woofers. The C360 has a pair of 6 1/2" drivers - a 4" mid and the 1" tweeter. The Cascade uses the 1" tweeter and a pair of flat panel woofers that Infinity calls MRS - Maximum Radiating Surface. They sound absolutely wonderful. I have a full 5.1 Cascade set - including the model 15 sub.
All of the speakers I've owned with the 1" CMMD tweeter timbre match perfectly - and sound great. This includes the Interludes I've owned - Betas - and the Cascades. I still own a pair of Interlude IL40 towers I use in a two channel setup. I doubt I'll sell them for a very long time - they are a wonderful sounding speaker. The Cascades are no slouch either.

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If any of you are interested, I just listed my Infinity BETA collection on eBay. I'm selling my two ES250s (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180550425946), my C360 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180550935840), and last but not least my CSW-10 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180550937263). If you read plhart's posts on this thread like me, you know how good of speakers he designed. I feel like a fool to part with them, but alas, my home theater dreams are just not compatible with my nomadic lifestyle. Feel free to ask me any questions on the auctions. Good luck!
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Your nomadic lifestyle must be very expensive.

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Too bad that Beta c360 isn't cheaper. I'd buy it just to complete my Beta 5.1 setup to help it sell.

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My CSW-10 is repriced and now at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180551380242. You're welcome to make an offer on eBay on any of my speakers, but don't expect them to stick around long enough for me to accept one.
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not to be the bearer of bad news here, but do you realize that you are selling that sub, used, for its new MSRP?

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My CSW-10 is repriced and now at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180551380242. You're welcome to make an offer on eBay on any of my speakers, but don't expect them to stick around long enough for me to accept one.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but a pair of Infinity Alpha 25ES surrounds recently sold for $158 plus shipping. The 25ES's are the same speaker as your Beta ES250s - just a generation older which doesn't translate to ~$350 more in value. I doubt you'll ever sell them for what you have listed - but it's your auction.

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I've owned IL50s - IL40s - IL30s - Beta 20s - Beta C360 center etc. The IL30s will sound very much like the Beta 20s but with a better low end response. Make sure you move them around to find the best bass response. They can be moved as little as 6" and it makes a big difference. I'm continually amazed that people won't buy these used speakers. The Interludes are a very good speaker. Someone must recognize this - Harman Audio just sold an Interlude IL36c center speaker - two generations older than the Beta line - sold for $170 IIRC. Same as the Beta C360 lately.

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I noticed a pair of used IL40's on ebay for $499.


If it's the same ones I saw...like me they are in Tampa...I wrote to them and offered them $189 just to see how low they would go and if they offered local pick up. I guess I insulted them with my offer. They thought my offer was crazy and never mentioned how low they would go or if they allow local pick up

I just purchased a pair of black IL30's on ebay...(black w/gray grills, supposedly in good shape) should have them in a week or 2 as they are coming from CA. I was the high bidder at $61...reserve not met....I wrote to the seller offering to take a second chance offer for a little more money....I agreed to $100 + $50 shipping....

After I accepted the second chance offer they increased the shipping charge on the ebay invoice so that it all added up to $150...I then paid through paypal....I have to say I was and still am a bit nervous about this as they had no picture only a stock IL40 (yes i said IL40) photo. But several emails back and forth have put me at ease.....................I think.

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All good points. I've revised my prices. The two ES250s are now priced at $400 together and the CSW-10 subwoofer is now a 7-day auction beginning at $500 (now at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180551555716). The subwoofer is in absolutely flawless shape, so I hardly consider it used. Good luck to anyone interested.
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FloridaGregg: How have those RS-1's held up over the years? I remember them (well the larger ones from the same series) as a kid and really liked them.

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my RS1's are in mint condition...they still sound good even by today's standards

they do have a bit more forward upper midrange then the betas, can sound a little strained at very high volumes, the tweeter isn't as open as the betas, nor is the bass as deep (well, it is only a 5" driver)...but all of that is really being picky as it is unfair to compare them to the betas...i bought them used about 6 years ago for about $70 total (including shipping)...can't complain....really sweet sounding little speakers...

I'll probably sell them on ebay or craigslist along with a entra center I have after i get the IL30's
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Let us know what you think of the IL30s. I liked the ones I had - used them mainly for surrounds with the IL40s up front. They had a 'hole' in the mid bass when I compared them to the IL40s - probably isn't a fair fight though. The IL40s play the entire sound spectrum nearly flawlessly.

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Let us know what you think of the IL30s. They had a 'hole' in the mid bass when I compared them to the IL40s - probably isn't a fair fight though. The IL40s play the entire sound spectrum nearly flawlessly.

thanks...I love my Beta 20's...so I can't imagine not liking the IL30's...I am not so much concerned about the bass as I have the receiver set at 80hz...while running my velodyne vx-10 sub. I am also in a small apt so I may not be doing either speaker true justice with my limited space.

but I will post my reactions

ps.....i wonder if the IL30s sound any better with their grills off?...I think it's just a cloth grill? It may not have as much of an effect on the sound...on the beta's it's metal and cloth...I think they sound a bit better with the grills off....adds a bit of "sparkle" to the highs, for lack of a better description. It is also possible that as I set up my living room...I have stuff all over and the carpeting, curtains and cloth may be swallowing some of the highs on my 20's
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I used my Betas without the grilles as well. The cloth grille on the IL line won't make much difference on or off. The Betas did - as you've noted.

As for the clutter in your apartment - it works to help kill reflections - echoes if you will. Makes speakers sound better. The last thing you want to hear is a sharp snare drum - then hear it again as it bounces off the picture window and rear of the room and recycle back to your ears. Lots of soft surfaces can make or break a sound system. I used to frequent jazz and piano nightclubs in Seattle in my (misspent) youth. The smaller ones with carpeting on the walls and floors had sound that was way better than the glitzy hardwood or tile sterile places. The equipment - pianos - bands - could all be interchanged and the small places just sounded better - much better. Next time you hear great sound at a nightclub you'll see lots of soft surfaces absorbing the reflections - better sound is the result.

My brother-in-law is a lifelong musician - country western music. He always 'auditioned' prospective gigs to see how it was acoustically. The old 'beer hall' places with hard floors (other than dance floor) and walls with lots of windows and big spaces were avoided whenever possible. He knew what sounded good and took pains to always sound as good as he could - echoes don't sound good.

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I third the use of Beta 20's without grilles. The Beta-50's though, they can use grilles.

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I third the use of Beta 20's without grilles. The Beta-50's though, they can use grilles.

why is this exactly?
how about the C360 and ES250's?

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why is this exactly?
how about the C360 and ES250's?

I don't own the c360 or es250's so I can't comment.

The B-20's have a bit too much attenuation on the tweeter IMO and the metal perforated grille kills off some of the treble by 2 or so db's. The B-50's have more treble voiced into the crossover (less tweeter attenuation) to the point where I prefer to have the grilles on to help reduce that top end a little.

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As for the clutter in your apartment - it works to help kill reflections - echoes if you will. Makes speakers sound better. The last thing you want to hear is a sharp snare drum - then hear it again as it bounces off the picture window and rear of the room and recycle back to your ears. Lots of soft surfaces can make or break a sound system. I used to frequent jazz and piano nightclubs in Seattle in my (misspent) youth. The smaller ones with carpeting on the walls and floors had sound that was way better than the glitzy hardwood or tile sterile places.

I agree, but there is a fine line between reflections and choking my speakers...I'm a bit of a pack rat....LOL...I will be cleaning it..I think I had a full floor in my living room once

I grew up outside of philly and used to go to concerts at the spectrum and tower theater....the tower theater seated about 3300 and when it was full sounded wonderful...curved walls, carpets, high ceilings and lots of bodies to absorb reflections...the spectrum on the other hand....lots of echo...and only sound engineers that knew what they were doing could make it a magical experience....billy joel and bruce springsteen's engineers should be given a medal...on the other hand.....eric clapton and mark knopfler's sound engineers, in an attempt to tame the highs (I suppose) turned their concert into sonic mud....couldn't understand anything they were singing...

back in the late 80's, Lionel hampton and his orchestra would perform a free jazz concert every year in NJ in a very very old theater....what a joy that was to listen to....that's why I like the beta's so much.....no shrill highs....no ear fatigue....the way music should sound

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Has anyone tried to bi wire the IL30's? If so did you hear any difference? thanks
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I think the general consensus on bi-wiring is nothing significant is gained with it.

On the grills I have a question to throw out there. Which would be sonically more transparent, using the metal grill with the cloth backing removed or removing the metal grill and re-covering the underneath plastic skeleton with new speaker cloth?

I don't really know anything. I am just repeating what I have either heard or read elsewhere.
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I never tried removing the cloth under the grill...

but please let me know if you do decide to remove the cloth (from the metal) if you hear a difference

and I've heard some people say they hear a difference with bi wiring while others claim it's just a scam to sell wire...


the infinity manual says there is a sonic difference...who knows
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I have a 5.0 set of betas that I'm planning on selling soon. could you guys help me figure out what a fair price would be. I have a Pair of 50's and 20's and a c360. the 50's have a few scuffs on them from moving a couple of times but nothing major. Is craigslist the best place to try to sell them? I wouldn't think ebay would be all that good because of shipping.
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I have a 5.0 set of betas that I'm planning on selling soon. could you guys help me figure out what a fair price would be. I have a Pair of 50's and 20's and a c360. the 50's have a few scuffs on them from moving a couple of times but nothing major. Is craigslist the best place to try to sell them? I wouldn't think ebay would be all that good because of shipping.

Well, certainly not a this level for a similar set-up! This listing has been up for a few months.

Somewhere around $625 would be a reasonable asking price. You should at least generate some interest.

Definitely list on craigslist. You should also try eBay and list local pick up only.
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I'd profit if I sold them for $1600
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Well, certainly not a this level for a similar set-up! This listing has been up for a few months.

Somewhere around $625 would be a reasonable asking price. You should at least generate some interest.

Definitely list on craigslist. You should also try eBay and list local pick up only.

wasn't that a guy on this board selling them for that price as well?

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